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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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Vivax
22084 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:26 JungleJorge wrote: I wasn't stupid when i told people toad was scum despite him claiming vig n1 and everyone saying "yolo toad is town fo sho". Then risk hammering mafia d1 and I say fuck that the dude is scum and he was. Weren't you on toad's team when he pulled this off and everyone thought that was the best play ever? Oh right you were. Now go kill me cuz I don't want to read this game any longer. That was more or less a ragequit shot Toad wanted to concede, I agreed a bit later and I shot him telling Bugs to concede after 30 minutes. Ask Bugs if you don't believe it. As said your version doesn't make sense cause I could simply claim roleblocks into infinity if I was scum and it would make much more sense than me shooting a scumbuddy. Take your tinfoil hat off, you might be good at this game most of the time but you don't make any sense right now. Do something good this game and help me kill jcarl pls. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:27 JungleJorge wrote: No he doesn't. WHERE IS THE FUCKING SCUM KILL N2? WHY WASN'T I ROLEBLOCKED? who else would roleblock you? | ||
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JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
Am I talking to a wall here? | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
It's a serious question? is there another town jailer? Only other would be an arms dealer and only scum would know | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:31 Vivax wrote: That was more or less a ragequit shot Toad wanted to concede, I agreed a bit later and I shot him telling Bugs to concede after 30 minutes. Ask Bugs if you don't believe it. As said your version doesn't make sense cause I could simply claim roleblocks into infinity if I was scum and it would make much more sense than me shooting a scumbuddy. Take your tinfoil hat off, you might be good at this game most of the time but you don't make any sense right now. Do something good this game and help me kill jcarl pls. Let's suppose you are vivax, the town vig, who is planning on shooting n1. The mayor who just lynched scum supects you. However YOU are the vig. YOU are gonna shoot someone you think is scum. There is no reason in your mind scum would ever roleblock you out of the blue. What do you do? You claim your shot before the night post. Cool. What doesn't make any resemblance of sense for you to do? On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another. This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well. On March 01 2013 00:03 Vivax wrote: Milksuckler said you want me vigged. Dunno, didn't check. Keep talking random shit about vigs. That's not what a vig does. He is afraid of being RB. This is what a mafia who plains to claim vig does to later justify being roleblocked. vivax as town is one paranoid all over the place mother fucker, who posts like a mad man and pushes his thoughts constantly. Not this subtle poking, well behaved, suspicion avoiding scummer. This dude is mafia. Believe it. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 08 2013 07:08 WaveofShadow wrote: This is fucking retarded. Grush posts one goddamn word that means NOTHING and this gives him a free pass for the rest of the damn game? How the FUCK does that make any sense? Should have been killed ages ago. Tomorrow. You're dead set on me being scum, and yet you want grush dead tomorrow... | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey DrH, completely given up on this game? ObviousOne? More or less but things are getting interesting now and I actually have tomorrow off so unless i really stop caring I'll at least try to post some actual thoughts (effort ones) before the night ends Every night after work has been killer I immediately start pounding beers because my leg hurts so fucking bad and I can't focus on anything | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: You're dead set on me being scum, and yet you want grush dead tomorrow... If I'm scum, not calling out WoS here necessarily, grush is my favorite lynch because you don't actually have to demonstrate any effort/work in analyzing him because every post he ever makes as either alignment has 0 value | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote: If I'm scum, not calling out WoS here necessarily, grush is my favorite lynch because you don't actually have to demonstrate any effort/work in analyzing him because every post he ever makes as either alignment has 0 value Sorry, can you clarify that for me? You mean "if I were scum in WoS's position"? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:49 jcarlsoniv wrote: You're dead set on me being scum, and yet you want grush dead tomorrow... That. After all of the panicky shit I posted over the last hour or so.... THAT is the best you can do? I can't believe you weren't lynched. There's two scum left, genius. And a probable 3rd party. No reason why it can't be both of you on the docket. Right now, just like yesterday, you're still my primary target. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:52 jcarlsoniv wrote: Sorry, can you clarify that for me? You mean "if I were scum in WoS's position"? town grush is an ideal push for a lategame scum because there is good reason to tunnel him but in doing so you don't reveal anything about yourself because it requires no work the more effort you have to put into a fake case the more likely it is that your bad logic/scum intentions will be exposed this is why as scum i like to avoid drawn out 1:1 "one of us is mafia" arguments until lategame because when that person flips green i'm basically dead and I'm very likely to fuck up at some point in the argument, hitting grush is zero risk | ||
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JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
Mafia forgot to send the kp? Well mafia did remember to send a roleblock. Also hosts normally read mafia qt and they poke players with pms when they don't submit the kill list. This is highly unlikely. Mafia withheld kp to frame vivax? Then they would have rb'ed me to make the case even stronger, since i wouldn't be able to prot anyone and blame the missing kp on that. Mafia had no way of knowing i wouldn't send in the jail. Impossible. I'm mafia roleblocker and withheld kp to frame vivax. First that is retarded and I'd never do that in my life. Second both vivax and toad claimed roleblock n1. I claimed i jailed toad, no one counterclaimed. No one claimed to have roleblocked vivax. Thus this can only happen if vivax is still mafia. Vivax used kp to shoot RO who had 1 page filter and was as good as dead? Yes that makes sense. That's why you don't rb the jailer so you can justify missing kp. vivax and RO were heavily suspected by a lot of people and the game is going downhill for scum. How can you possibly savage this game? Well you might as well pull something like this off so jubjubs go around saying vivax is confirmed townie. | ||
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JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
"Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions. However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute." That's from that random out of place big post day 1 that accomplishes nothing. The post in itself makes no sense for town to make. How someone concludes someone is town based on RO's comments on toad's plan is beyond me. It is fake. Makes no sense. You don't start something out of the blue on RO just to later call him null/town leaning. That's traditional mafia behavior. Vivax thoughts on prom day 1 in the same horrible out of place post that is extremely discrepant to his filter: "Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt. Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him. I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me." Look at this the same kind of mafia nonsense, coincidently about a mafia too? How weird is this. Maybe this guy is scum huh? Maybe? | ||
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Vivax
22084 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514&user=171343¤tpage=All http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=171343¤tpage=All JJ who else could be scum in your opinion? | ||
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Vivax
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
 One question: Night two, scum *withholds* KP to frame up me or whoever they thought you'd roleblock for the lack of KP, town vig Vivax shoots RO. Why is this implausible? | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On March 08 2013 12:22 Aquanim wrote: @JungleJorge Apologies, I may be quite bad at this game One question: Night two, scum *withholds* KP to frame up me or whoever they thought you'd roleblock for the lack of KP, town vig Vivax shoots RO. Why is this implausible? It is a plausible possibility; however, the likelihood in my opinion is: remote ======================= @ALL To summarise what we know: Night 1: Scum 2KP & 2 NK JJ -> RB'd -> Toad ?? -> RB'd -> Vivax Night 2: Scum 1KP & 1 NK Vivax -> Vig -> RO ?? -> RB'd -> Aquanim JJ -> No submit (layabout) Night 3: Scum 1KP & 1 NK ?? -> RB'd -> JJ (1) The # kills rules out mutant. (This can be explained if you don't see it.. but consider Night 1 as a tell for no mutant and compare to Night 3.... ) (2) If we assume Vivax = town vig & scum found his "breadcrumbs" D1 to RB him Then Night 2, he *SHOULD* have been roleblocked OR shot. Why would scum leave an unpredictable town vig to take a free shot? Further, lets go with the theory that scum left town vig alone N2... SURELY they had to do something with JJ a confirmed town for many.... instead they RB Aquanim & there is no kill??? I have already proven there is no mutant.. so where did the scum kill go? This story isn't selling.. scum don't take these type of risks.. their goal is to survive, and plays like that work off variables they do not have control over. Vivax can not be town or 3rd party. (3) If we assume Vivax = scum The KP to NK ratio makes sense; and also correlates with the action of leaving Vivax to his own devices to "vig" Now also consider that RO was not contributing much; and people like myrself/JJ/Macho were considering him scummy. I can easily see an opportunistic Vivax making this play to gain town cred and satisfy the vig claim. - An action that has precedent behind it (from Vivax). If that is not enough: JJ has alreayd done a good job outlining the mentality differences of a vig; and someone pretending to be a vig. So again, the story of a town-Vivax doesn't add up. But it comes back down to: I have already proven there is no mutant.. so where did the kill go? It went to RO with Vivax "vig" claim  (4) Where does this leave Aquanim? When Vivax flips red, I would consider insta-lynching Aquanim. With the context above, the RB (on Aqua vs JJ/Vivax) makes no sense; but Aqua continual urge to justify the RB makes me feel uneasy. If I was town, I would have no idea why I was RB'd.. and would leave it alone as it is all WIFOM.. Aqua instead continues to flesh this out (e.g. the post I am responding to). Conclusion Day5.. majority vote Vivax Day6.. majority vote Aquanim | ||
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On March 08 2013 13:48 MilkSuckler wrote: (4) Where does this leave Aquanim? When Vivax flips red, I would consider insta-lynching Aquanim. With the context above, the RB (on Aqua vs JJ/Vivax) makes no sense; but Aqua continual urge to justify the RB makes me feel uneasy. If I was town, I would have no idea why I was RB'd.. and would leave it alone as it is all WIFOM.. Aqua instead continues to flesh this out (e.g. the post I am responding to). Layabout has been screaming non-stop for my lynch for the last two days based solely on that roleblock. It's also perhaps the biggest thing in this game that doesn't make a blind bit of sense and might solve the game. So no, I'm not "leaving it alone". | ||
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