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On January 05 2010 15:39 L wrote:
Dear morans.

There's nearly nothing to talk about on the first day if no one talks, and we have no mayoral business to vote for.

Because of this, and because I like making people post stupid garbage, I propose we go round table and each say who we want to off day one.

So far, I've done around 5 minutes of thinking and I'm going to sleep directly after I type this post, so this won't be pretty or eloquent, but here's what I'm thinking so far.

1. RebirthOfLeGend
2. Ace
3. L
4. vx70GTOJudgexv
5. Scamp
6. Zato-1
7. Chezinu
8. nemY
9. HeavOnEarth
10. Vivi57
11. ketomai
12. Mikeymoo
13. Malongo

1) I normally get Ace killed really early. Its largely a barrel of fun and heaps of awesome. I doubt that Ace and I are on the same team because of the roster and the format, so he's probably red from where I'm standing. That said, Ace is probably the only person i'd be able to trust to not play like a sack of dimebags, so if he does turn out to be blue (which seems to be a trend when i kill him), the game would kinda end unless mafia were morans.

2) I hate vivi. RoL's dumb. Chezinu is a gigantic waste of a player, regardless of which side he's on, and nemy hasn't played in a while, and played somewhat subpar last game we were in due to inactivity. Granted that these are all easy "dumb" targets, I'll be extra risk and not pick any of them to see how people react.

3) Of the remaining players, we have Malongo, Mikey, ketomai, heavon, zato, scamp and judge. Scamp and Heavon typically do not post often, so this is the first and last "do shit in the thread or I'm going to push to get you killed warning". Malongo is an above average player, and I honestly don't remember anything about mikey or ketomai. Judge is very good in this type of format. Zato's a bit above average too.

$) so what does that mean? It means fucking nothing. This format sucks balls day one, but I'd go with Malongo as my day 1 pick. He's good enough to be placed with mafia as their 'strong' player, but if he dies and flips town, I'll (maybe Ace or Judge too, normally i die night 2 anyways) probably die during the night which leaves both Ace and Judge up. Granted that I assume Incog wouldn't put them both as mafia (because that would be a bit fucked), so at least 1 top tier player is still in the mix even if we miss doc protection and hit incorrectly

%) Alternate plan is to kill people who we know are fucking useless and who won't 'fuck up' because they're so fucking inactive. If that's the case, i'd hit nemY first. Not that I hate the guy or anything, but there's some weird fucking 'stupid' sympathy which keeps vivi alive when I try to get him killed and I'm kinda hoping Chezinu doesn't do his standard stupid shit. If he does, I'm pretty sure we're going to have to start killing him day 1-2 in every game he joins until he stops being a moron.

On January 05 2010 20:13 Zato-1 wrote:

Hm. Scamp doesn't post much, but what he does post is usually telling, in my experience.

Since all we have on day 1 for choosing a Lynch target is behavioral analysis, I'd rather go after the people who are 'immune' to behavioral analysis. And by this, I mean Chezinu. Usually, all he posts are random references to 'Ace' and 'Brown', and his comments are completely unrelated to the game, its players, its roles, suggested courses of action, etc. That is, in fact, a valid mafia strategy- say a lot of shit so people don't peg you down for being inactive, but never commit to saying something relevant so that you won't be called out for something you said. As it is, the only way for the Town to ever determine his role directly will be through a DT, which I'd rather use on some other big-name players instead (L, Ace).

Leaning: Lynch Chezinu

Then, there's the matter of our other night roles: DTs, Medics, Vigis.

DTs should definitely check out the big-name players. For me, these are: Ace, L. They're basically a big boon in terms of post quality, behavioral analysis and Town leadership if they're Townies, so it's a good idea to see whether we should be rallying around them early or not. And if they're mafia... we'll want them lynched ASAP. Oh, and do remember the Godfather won't show up as mafia in a RC; if a RC comes up Red, the DT knows with 100% certainty that player's mafia. If it doesn't come up red, the DT does not know with 100% certainty whether that player's mafia or not.

Medics should cover blue roles. How do you find out if someone is a blue role? Good question. Hopefully I'll be able to answer it by nighttime.

On a final note:
Player list seems to be 12 people long. Are there 12 of us? If so, please fix the "11 of 11 players remain" on the OP. Also, if there's 12 players, how many mafia and how many townies are there? The OP suggests 8 townies and 3 mafia, but that adds up to 11.

Also, is role revealed after death, or merely which side you're on?

On January 06 2010 04:43 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:


Difference here is the fact that I know what I'm doing here.



[1] - We'll discuss protection options as the day draws near an end. I'm leaning towards L or Ace tonight, depending on how each plays.

[2] - I think we're at 12 (9 & 3) and this should be full reveal, not limited flip.



It does a number of things - it can provide a confirmed townie which is the worst possible thing for mafia to have to go up against, because it's someone that no matter what, they cannot push a lynch on, and worst of all - I'm not one of the top players in the game, so I'm not someone they want to waste a NK on either. Even if I'm barking up the completely wrong tree they have to try and kill me because they can't get me lynched once I'm confirmed. It forces mafia to play a guessing game. Sure, they had to play one before, but it was minimized. Now, they have to try and outguess the entire town. I can ask the town directly - who do we want to keep protected tonight and form a list. Mafia players will either have to sacrifice a potential target and put him up on the list or out themselves with a ridiculous choice and/or not post at all. Then at night they have to out-guess me in a wonderful game of who the fuck will I protect. Will I protect one of the targets offered up? Will I protect myself? Which of the targets will I protect.

Doctor can be a much more powerful role out in the open.



I wouldn't direct a vig to hit anyone and protect that, because our vigs are one-shot. There are later plans for any vigs. Regarding the DT, I have a plan for any potential DTs we have, but that steps in on D2.



I'm a medic though. And I'm trying to do something different because I've seen it work, I've seen this tactic in play. Besides, as odd of a defense as it is, this is nowhere near my scum meta, even if I was GF. I much prefer to push attention away from myself, because I'm prone to fuckups if I try and be too active.



The ability to be a confirmed townie and force mafia to adapt uncomfortably.
The ability to force mafia into a guessing game.
The ability to bring the town together and become a town leader here.



It does seem odd that no one is talking about it.



I can protect myself. That was the kicker. It might not make sense for there to be two medics, but there very well could be. We don't know, and I don't try and out-guess the mod, no matter what the most likely scenario of "who should be scum" or "Why would he do this".

@Scamp - I think I covered your points in my responses to L, so I'm not going to re-hash them if that's cool with you.

Also, for a kill, I say if he doesn't really put effort into it, Chezinu should be the day 1 lynch. No matter what he flips, it's a win for town.

On January 06 2010 06:40 Vivi57 wrote:
Judge is probably vet or gf. Either way, using a rolecheck on him is a waste because it tells us nothing. Ace and L shouldn't be checked either because unless they're both mafia, they'll turn up town aligned.

Malongo and chezinu are the only people who haven't posted yet.


To anyone suggesting that judge is gf and the mafia doesn't hit anyone for a night so he can make some claim to saving someone, you're wrong. There's no way the mafia would take such a huge risk for such a small potential return.

On January 06 2010 10:11 Malongo wrote:

Shhhh chezinu dont unleash daa beast.

On January 07 2010 02:13 Scamp wrote:
RoL does bring up some good points, and Ace and L both agree with me that overall Judge's claim is probably a dumb move. As I see it it's ballsy at best and bad at worst.

*Off-topic* RoL I don't think you should criticize someone's spelling unless you want to be criticized for your mistakes too. So: You're = you are. Your = possessive. If you can say "you are" in place of "your" in the sentence and it makes sense, you used the wrong one.

Sorry, I like to be a grammar nazi even though my spelling is atrocious. */Off-topic*


Anyway, I'd like to point this out.



Some links would be nice. I'd like to see this tactic in play and see it work well.


Chezinu needs to post more or he's getting my vote. I do like Zato's analysis on Malongo too so I'd like to see his response to that. I'm also keeping my eye on a few other people, hopefully they'll post today.

On January 07 2010 06:11 Scamp wrote:


Because no matter what Judge really is we have the opportunity for some exceptional information. At the very least, I'm inclined to keep him around because he's got a plan he's going to put into action for better or for worse. Meanwhile there are several people who clearly aren't going to do jack shit, and it's very likely that there's at least one mafia in that group of people.


I agree with what Zato said about voting for people, I just don't think there's enough on Malongo to vote for him right now. That being said, I also don't expect much to go on on day 1 either. It's now about 1PM PST. Voting ends at 8PM PST. If Malongo (also Chezinu, for that matter) doesn't post anything by 5PM PST I'm voting for him, since I'm going to be gone from 5PM onwards.

On January 07 2010 07:29 Chezinu wrote:
Since people want my opinion:

so far from what I read, the posts of RoL and vivi seem to interest me. Ace's post about townies don't lie made me laugh but L beat me to it. There is nothing I can post that is of value because of my name. My name makes all my posts a waste. No one can really take me seriously. Maybe if I change my tone people will listen? But then again I could be doing that on purpose for it fits my character. But what happens if someone's character changes?

Here I am trying not to post something of waste in the eyes of others. I have a question. What is a post in this game that isn't a waste? Everyone here has been through this game. There is no need to aid people in opening there minds to all possibilities. There is no need to state the noob mistakes some people make or if they are trying to make you think it is a noob mistake but really they did it on purpose ect....

So what are my thoughts...well, I was thinking that everyone has been accused this game except mikeymoo but vivi ended that... So really I have no thoughts that I can add. All I can do is write something that hopefully you guys dont think is a waste and wait for you guys to analysis me in this game of darkness. Really, this game takes blind faith sometimes especially on day 1. This is usually when I start messing with people for fun. But I decided to change my play...or did I really? Thats the thing, nothing I can say can mean anything thing especially because of my name.