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There a bunch of scenarios for what might have happened last night. FOr now i will work under the assumption that there is no sk but possibly a bartender due to the number of flips each day.
1 Mafia did not correctly submit any night actions.
This appears to be the most likely scenario. Since jj the non-counter-claimed town jailer says he tried and failed to rb this would mean that aqua was not roleblocked and is lying because he wants towncred and is scum.
2 Mafia sent in a roleblock but not a kill.
If it did occur then why would mafia choose to roleblock aquanim over the claimed vig or even the claimed jailer?
3 We have another doctor/jailer.
Either the doctor or jailer protected the right target or the jailer blocked scum carrying out the KP (if scum have to pick someone to shoot which seems likely with trackers/watchers present). This is pretty damn unlikely since town would have started with more protection at night than mafia had KP.
4 Any kind of mafia shot RO scenerio
This is also very unlikely, it would probably involve viavax and jj being scum and i don't think it's beneficial to explore this scenario.
5 Hosts made a mistake!
6 Post your own wild theories i can't think of any more i'm tired!
It's possible mafia roleblocked aqua because the correct response to his claim is to shoot him but in this case then they will have traded a member for a mislynch which i am okay with.
Also the presence of a cult scientist means we have a DT who shouldn't claim until he gets anything useful and figures out his sanity, they are unlikely to be naive/paranoid or the scientist role would be a waste.
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We lynch Aquanim!!!
##vote Aquanim
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Okay. Another theory: Vivax is sk. He shot RO and mafia shot him, believing he was vig.
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I dont see how the 6 points above, lead towards a vote on the man of aquarius?
Care to share me some pointers on what makes hima scummier individual than someone like Geript?
I have seen townies ragequit, and typically they actually just leave and stop posting.
Geript is still coming in with pot shot remarks.. obviously hoping the sob story is buying him time... (scummy behaviour if you ask me)
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On March 04 2013 11:06 JungleJorge wrote:
Okay. Another theory: Vivax is sk. He shot RO and mafia shot him, believing he was vig.
Fark... thats intriguing actually.
But and instead of shooting town to even the #'s.. he shot mafia to gain town cred to fulfil the vig claim.
INTERESTING... i am comfortable lynchign Vivax just to put this to bed.. as if he is vig.. he is now just a VT, and we have numbers advantage to take a loss if he is mislynched.
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On March 04 2013 11:06 JungleJorge wrote:
Okay. Another theory: Vivax is sk. He shot RO and mafia shot him, believing he was vig.
I suppose that could be the case but it doesn't explain why they would roleblock aqua over vivax, since if they thought he was a vig they should roleblock him to stop the shot or (you)jj since jj might stop their shot going through.
The chance that aqua is scum is too high to ignore.
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On March 04 2013 11:14 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 11:06 JungleJorge wrote:
Okay. Another theory: Vivax is sk. He shot RO and mafia shot him, believing he was vig. I suppose that could be the case but it doesn't explain why they would roleblock aqua over vivax, since if they thought he was a vig they should roleblock him to stop the shot or (you)jj since jj might stop their shot going through. The chance that aqua is scum is too high to ignore.
nah.. why roleblock vivax.. when you shoot him
i assume mafia KP >> Vig shot (so its RB + death)
that leaves them to RB someone else.. why Aqua, no idea
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No, sk must shoot every night, so if later on there are 2 shots at the same night and no claims just kill vivax. That kinda relies on vivax being a suicidal sk and claiming vig for no good reason though. Time will tell.
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P.S. Layabout.
to confirm.. you didnt receive RB notification?
the assumption is: JJ sent purely to Greymist?
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Milk roleblocking aquaman does not make any sense for scum. The most likely scenario is that mafia messed up and didn't send in actions and aquaman aquanim is scum claiming the roleblock for towncred.
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I didn't receive diddly squit.
repeat not roleblock or jailed or anything.
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I see nothing that prevents SK from shooting himself.
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On March 04 2013 11:14 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 11:06 JungleJorge wrote:
Okay. Another theory: Vivax is sk. He shot RO and mafia shot him, believing he was vig. I suppose that could be the case but it doesn't explain why they would roleblock aqua over vivax, since if they thought he was a vig they should roleblock him to stop the shot or (you)jj since jj might stop their shot going through. The chance that aqua is scum is too high to ignore.
Or they want to provoke this kind of reasoning, or even bring forth this argument and roleblocked with this purpose. Either way I'm kinda torn on aqua actually. I'll reflect on it some more.
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On March 04 2013 11:17 layabout wrote:
Milk roleblocking aquaman does not make any sense for scum. The most likely scenario is that mafia messed up and didn't send in actions and aquaman aquanim is scum claiming the roleblock for towncred.
I see.. i have done that as scum before.. and interesting enough, he was starting to get some heat
I do see credence in a play akin to this.
Do you actually find scummy things in his filter though?
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you would roleblock vivax to stop him from shooting at you. But it's probably best to check with the hosts about the order in which these things resolve.
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My best guess is that scum construed this as a soft cop claim and (for whatever reason) do not want a cop check on Geript.
On March 03 2013 20:36 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 20:30 geript wrote:
No, I thought he was town while you were attacking him. Call it starsenses, call it whatever you want. In rereading, and specifically thinking that the dude is disengaged from the game. Nothing particularly scummy about not wanting to play but feeling obligated to. Yeah I can sympathise with that. Show nested quote +But it's whatever man, I think we're all agreed that I'm getting lynched tomorrow so you really shouldn't have to worry about it; like we all know that no matter what I flip, everyone's going to be saying "no reason to read him, dude's terrible." If you survive the night I'll wager 5 internet points that you don't get lynched tomorrow. A little bird has whispered in my ear.
For reference I am not in fact a cop.
Considering scum had a framer they should probably have just framed geript though.
Time for some logic.
- Two roleblocks observed N1. Could concievably be a RB on Hassybaby or a double-roleblock on Toad/Vivax but I doubt it.
- JJ claims not to have roleblocked N2, only claimed roleblock afaik is on me.
Possible conclusions:
- Town has two roleblockers to scum's none. This seems ridiculous.
- Town has JJ, scum has a roleblocker who roleblocked me. If I were scum I could be faking it, but given the much better RB targets I have no idea how this would ever result in town cred. WIFOM at best.
- Three roleblockers, there's a roleblock yet to be claimed yesterday and today. I don't believe this either.
I don't see why Vivax would claim single-shot vigilante N1 as serial killer.
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On March 04 2013 11:19 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 11:17 layabout wrote:
Milk roleblocking aquaman does not make any sense for scum. The most likely scenario is that mafia messed up and didn't send in actions and aquaman aquanim is scum claiming the roleblock for towncred. I see.. i have done that as scum before.. and interesting enough, he was starting to get some heat I do see credence in a play akin to this. Do you actually find scummy things in his filter though?
Day 1 he was was one of my top town reads but all of yesterday was really meh. He was attacking me without good reason. His prioty lynch target was hassybaby (who was absent and the kind of target i would expect scum to go for over town). He asked questions like this which are needlessly aggressive and unnecessary if he would just read the posts in question. It's like he is trying to look like he is doing something by being agressive but without a goal in mind.
Frankly the roleclaim alone is enough to lynch him. Until then i didn't see him as a reasonable lynch.
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On February 28 2013 01:16 Hassybaby wrote:
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This is hassybaby last post several cycles ago. Will he be modkilled?
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On March 04 2013 11:27 layabout wrote:
He was attacking me without good reason.
I don't regret that, your reply improved my read on you a lot.
His prioty lynch target was hassybaby (who was absent and the kind of target i would expect scum to go for over town).
I thought hassy was scum and I still suspect it. Kept hoping he would actually come back and play.
He asked questions like this which are needlessly aggressive and unnecessary if he would just read the posts in question. It's like he is trying to look like he is doing something by being agressive but without a goal in mind. Frankly the roleclaim alone is enough to lynch him. Until then i didn't see him as a reasonable lynch.
My play in day 2 is generally bad. WF screaming at me for a page for voting my scumread over his didn't exactly improve my attitude to the game and by now I basically don't give a shit. I agree the roleblock on me makes basically no sense.
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If I understand the rules right it's not even like a roleblock on me would reduce scum KP if I was scum, so it's not even like they can be framing me over the lack of scum KP.
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