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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 03 2013 19:30 GMT
#3121
Because in the past 3 days you have called Toad scum* try to shed doubt on jj and forget about grush after calling him scum and give up on aqua/oo without saying why and instead of giving your read on me when questioned you have just hinted that you think i might be scum.

Also because i am getting annoyed at the thread in general. It's as if half of the thread is trying to confuse themselves and the other half isn't here.

+ Show Spoiler [*] +
Shame on everyone that did this but this is more of a postgame topic
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The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
March 03 2013 19:58 GMT
#3122
i have a question for everyone why did chezinu not just shoot hasy. He would have been under a lot less suspicion and it would have been seen as much more justified.

now before you go wifom wifom wifom it really isnt it would ahve been much more advantageous to kill a "town" hasy from chez's pov. When you add the whole "cheating thing with toad i think it a strong likelihood that hasy is mafia.
Expect the unexpected in the kingdom of madness
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 03 2013 20:02 GMT
#3123
On March 04 2013 04:30 layabout wrote:
Because in the past 3 days you have called Toad scum* try to shed doubt on jj and forget about grush after calling him scum and give up on aqua/oo without saying why and instead of giving your read on me when questioned you have just hinted that you think i might be scum.

Also because i am getting annoyed at the thread in general. It's as if half of the thread is trying to confuse themselves and the other half isn't here.

+ Show Spoiler [*] +
Shame on everyone that did this but this is more of a postgame topic


You're clearly referencing something specific I said, but I don't know what and its causing me to have trouble interpreting your post. Can you be more clear on what is "because" of these things?




On March 04 2013 04:58 The Macho Man wrote:
i have a question for everyone why did chezinu not just shoot hasy. He would have been under a lot less suspicion and it would have been seen as much more justified.

now before you go wifom wifom wifom it really isnt it would ahve been much more advantageous to kill a "town" hasy from chez's pov. When you add the whole "cheating thing with toad i think it a strong likelihood that hasy is mafia.



Hassy is going to get modkilled. It would have been a waste of his bullet.
The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
March 03 2013 20:04 GMT
#3124
On March 04 2013 05:02 TestSubject893 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 04:30 layabout wrote:
Because in the past 3 days you have called Toad scum* try to shed doubt on jj and forget about grush after calling him scum and give up on aqua/oo without saying why and instead of giving your read on me when questioned you have just hinted that you think i might be scum.

Also because i am getting annoyed at the thread in general. It's as if half of the thread is trying to confuse themselves and the other half isn't here.

+ Show Spoiler [*] +
Shame on everyone that did this but this is more of a postgame topic


You're clearly referencing something specific I said, but I don't know what and its causing me to have trouble interpreting your post. Can you be more clear on what is "because" of these things?




Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 04:58 The Macho Man wrote:
i have a question for everyone why did chezinu not just shoot hasy. He would have been under a lot less suspicion and it would have been seen as much more justified.

now before you go wifom wifom wifom it really isnt it would ahve been much more advantageous to kill a "town" hasy from chez's pov. When you add the whole "cheating thing with toad i think it a strong likelihood that hasy is mafia.



Hassy is going to get modkilled. It would have been a waste of his bullet.

i don't think your seeing what im trying to say
Expect the unexpected in the kingdom of madness
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 03 2013 20:06 GMT
#3125
What I'm saying is your premise is false. Where you go after "Why didn't he shoot Hassy?" is irrelevant, because you're assuming the Hassy was an obvious target.
JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
March 03 2013 20:12 GMT
#3126
Don't lynch geript tomorrow, lynch RO.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 03 2013 20:13 GMT
#3127
Well, now that I think about it, maybe I'm off about the timing of this. Its may be possible to make an arguement that Hassy was a good target.

So how about this instead. Even if we're 100% sure Hassy is mafia, what are we going to do about it? He's gonna get modkilled anyway, so we just get to kill him for free. What discussion is there to have?
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 03 2013 20:14 GMT
#3128
On March 04 2013 05:12 JungleJorge wrote:
Don't lynch geript tomorrow, lynch RO.


Ok, why?
JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
March 03 2013 20:17 GMT
#3129
If I live through the night I'll bother explaining. Otherwise I'll flip town and you take my word for it.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 03 2013 20:21 GMT
#3130
macho, hassy being alive is beneficial to scum and dr.h had directed bullets at milkman

jj you should explain it now because you claimed jailer and you being town doesn't make your reads accurate, if you want us to lynch RO then you need to explain you reasoning
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JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
March 03 2013 20:30 GMT
#3131
I believe if you compare RO and geript's filter it should be obvious enough why one is a better lynch target than the other. Especially RO behavior yesterday regarding chezinu. His filter is extremely short, had no previous mention of chez, then he comes in and makes an opportunistic bus vote and says nothing else for the rest of the day. I'm certain he is mafia.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
March 03 2013 20:37 GMT
#3132
JJ, it is possible that they in fact both are mafia. Is there a reason you think we get more out lynching RO compared to the more unanimously scummy geript?
JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
March 03 2013 20:42 GMT
#3133
Just because a lot of people think geript is scum does not make it so. RO however is scum despite no one really saying he is.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 03 2013 20:49 GMT
#3134
jj we need more than that
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
JungleJorge
Profile Joined February 2013
Uganda104 Posts
March 03 2013 20:55 GMT
#3135
Really? Is it so hard for you to conclude RO is mafia, even without me saying anything? It was really easy for me to do so. I'm kinda lazy and I don't want to look into geript huge filter and say for sure he is not scum. I'm not even saying that, although I believe he isn't based on the skimming I've been doing. What I'm saying is that RO is OBVIOUS mafia and his lynch should take priority over everything else.
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 03 2013 20:57 GMT
#3136
On March 04 2013 05:17 JungleJorge wrote:
If I live through the night I'll bother explaining. Otherwise I'll flip town and you take my word for it.


No. You're assuming, falsely, that our chief problem with your case is your personal authenticity. This is a wildly incorrect assumption. Several people believe you to be town as a result of your roleclaim-- your alignment is not the reason that people doubt your case. People doubt your case because they believe you are well-meaning but wrong, or simply not very bright. You getting shot and flipping town will do nothing to help your case, and your absence will deny your case the support it needs to convince anyone.

For example, take a look at how I pushed Chez: I clearly laid out all my logic for everyone to see. I answered questions and didn't stonewall. I was open and shared my thoughts-- people, even people who thought I might be scum or thought I was a dick, realized how reasonable and correct my case was, and voted to lynch Chez.

You do understand that that's how this game works, right? If you say nothing between now and potentially flipping town you have left us with nothing to work with. No case, nothing that one player could use to convince another player to vote.

Stop doing that. Stop closing your mind and feeling like sharing your thoughts is a bad thing. This is why people think you're scum: town should have nothing to hide.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
Wade Fell
Profile Joined February 2013
United States501 Posts
March 03 2013 20:58 GMT
#3137
On March 04 2013 05:55 JungleJorge wrote:
Really? Is it so hard for you to conclude RO is mafia, even without me saying anything? It was really easy for me to do so. I'm kinda lazy and I don't want to look into geript huge filter and say for sure he is not scum. I'm not even saying that, although I believe he isn't based on the skimming I've been doing. What I'm saying is that RO is OBVIOUS mafia and his lynch should take priority over everything else.


Then it should be very easy to convince us. If you don't write a case, to me you're nothing but a lurker, just one who makes a little more noise.
Politics is the Mind-Killer
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
March 03 2013 21:11 GMT
#3138
Wait a minute.

Player X claims jailer.

Player X expects to live through the night.

Now forgive me if i am wrong but wouldn't that suggest player X might not really be a town jailer?

So jj is scum. Since toad was roleblocked, vivax must be lying about beingroleblocked to allow for jj's claim and thus jj and vivax must both be scum.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
March 03 2013 21:14 GMT
#3139
On March 04 2013 06:11 layabout wrote:
Wait a minute.

Player X claims jailer.

Player X expects to live through the night.

Now forgive me if i am wrong but wouldn't that suggest player X might not really be a town jailer?

So jj is scum. Since toad was roleblocked, vivax must be lying about beingroleblocked to allow for jj's claim and thus jj and vivax must both be scum.

where did he say he expects to live
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
The Macho Man
Profile Joined February 2013
171 Posts
March 03 2013 21:14 GMT
#3140
On March 04 2013 06:14 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 06:11 layabout wrote:
Wait a minute.

Player X claims jailer.

Player X expects to live through the night.

Now forgive me if i am wrong but wouldn't that suggest player X might not really be a town jailer?

So jj is scum. Since toad was roleblocked, vivax must be lying about beingroleblocked to allow for jj's claim and thus jj and vivax must both be scum.

where did he say he expects to live

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