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On March 04 2013 04:28 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Yamato:
Explain:
-Your 180 on Acro
-Your unnecessarily long town read on Snarfs (basically, did you need to do that?)
-Your ambiguous read on Zare (is he scummy or not?)
-Your feeling to just duel Hapa without allowing him to refute your arguments.
Please and thank you.
Acro's OVERALL play is pro-town. His OVERALL play and appearance is something that looks very town. The doubts I have about him are things that may or may not indicate that he's mafia, but let me tell you, they are very good heuristics that catch mafia. It's those same heuristics I'm using to put pressure on Hapa. My read is not a 180 completely, but I feel that he is more likely town if Hapa is mafia, which I currently think is the case.
Town read on Snarfs was going to be part of a longer analysis of every player in the game. It didn't happen because I had other things pop up, and it's not that important that I analyse all my town reads. That said, his name was thrown around as possible mafia, and my points are good ones for why he is not. Should shut that discussion down before it ever begins to catch on.
My read on Zare is not ambiguous, you just can't read.
On March 03 2013 18:44 yamato77 wrote:
##Duel Haphauli
He and Zare probably last two mafia. Everyone else is LIKELY to be town.
All of these points could have been addressed with a look at my filter. You guys are lazy, getting worse. I dueled Hapa because everyone sits with the same sheep reads on these days. We've been playing off reads from N0 for two days. It's time to make stuff happen, and I'm pretty sure he's mafia. If he's town, this will almost assuredly motivate him to prove it, but I don't think he will.
There's zero reason to call me mafia for any of this anyway. As I mentioned in my case on Zare, the scummiest thing about me is how I handled the D1 lynch, which was odd from an outsider's perspective. I TRULY WAS surprised at Adam's duel, and that muddled my read on the situation. Also, I TRULY WAS seeing the potential for town Keir in his read on Adam. Ultimately, however, I thought about it more and reached the conclusion that Adam probably wasn't mafia. My vote on Keir was a weakly justified one, because I really just wanted to push a lynch through, but would I have pushed the Keir lynch through for the sake of lynching someone if I was mafia with him? I don't think so. I could have sat on Adam and pushed him while implicitly allowing the double lynch as a result.
That's the crux of the situation here, and why people are calling me mafia. Anything else is weak, and very shallow. I believe Hapa is by far scummier than me, as I outlined in my case, and this should undoubtedly prove to you all that I am not all talk and no bite. I've only been hesitant so far because of the thread's initial reaction to these propositions in the past, which was overwhelmingly negative. The unfortunate thing is that Adam is attacking me for being hesitant, and everyone else is attacking me for not being that way, so I'm fucked both ways on this. The better thing to do here is to put some real fath in my read on Hapa and see his flip through.
If you guys don't agree with me, fine, but lynching me lazily as is happening now is not good for town. If I get lynched, so be it, but it better not be without SERIOUS discussion on why people think Hapa is town. I, for one, know him capable of playing the way he is right now as mafia. Read Dessert Mini, and compare it to this game, it's quite similar.
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You forgot to mention the part where you first defended Deino n0.
WHAT NOW BITCH
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Nothing you've done since then particularly indicates to me that you're mafia. Everything since then is rather townish.
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Was @ Acro
Also, your read on Deino was right and mine wrong, so there's that, too.
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I've been on you all game, dude.
Stop playing around like I just made this up out of thin air.
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Adam hard-defending Hapa here real sketch
Real. Sketch.
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What do you guys gain as scum by killing me?
Tomorrow people will know I'm town anyway.
I'm not that invested in staying alive on this deal, I'm invested in finding mafia, and right now Adam looks insanely ridiculous to come in defending Hapa right now. But he might just be dead wrong about the both of us, so there's that.
What is most suspicious is the lack of ANYTHING from Zare. Dude is being called mafia by everyone in the game and he's all kinds of AFK, lol.
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I really don't care what people think about my alignment anymore
Think about why Hapa has a scum read on me. Very conveniently timed. Of course he's not going to stop arguing about it, because to admit defeat here is to die for certain.
I'm all for town lynching me so long as one of you has the sack to lynch Hapa tomorrow.
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On March 04 2013 12:34 Hapahauli wrote:
I had a scum-read on you before you dueled me Yamato. Don't twist things.
Once you figured out I wanted to lynch you.
Think about this, mafia Hapa, what is your plan if you get me lynched and I flip town and everyone realizes you actually are mafia?
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On March 04 2013 12:43 Acrofales wrote:
Yamato: if we lynch Hapa and he flips town. Who, other than Zapa is scum?
Maybe you, as I once thought. Maybe Corazon, since his balls seem to have gone missing today.
Oats I doubt is mafia, because he is always like this.
Adam is probably just really wrong, to be honest, and there's no good reason he's mafia.
Snarfs is probably town. Covered.
Sylencia is also probably town, much for the same reason Adam is.
Alderan might be a missing link in here somwhere, too. That guy's disappearing act lately is at mythical proportions. I don't even know what his read on me is, much less the rest of the game.
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No, because there's no point. You're low on the totem pole, but the fact remains that you deserve a look if Hapa flips town.
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On March 04 2013 12:52 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 12:50 yamato77 wrote:
No, because there's no point. You're low on the totem pole, but the fact remains that you deserve a look if Hapa flips town. You're the one who was so hasty to duel him. You'd be the first one to deserve a look. Of course if you are so confident Hapa is scum why are you even mentioning the possibilities if he flips town? Are you setting yourself up to bounce back from a mislynch?
Acro asked me...
-_-
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Adam, are you sure you're not mafia?
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Time, and scummier people.
If that's your biggest hangup, we shouldn't be having a problem here.
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I don't see how me downgrading him from scum to null is even a thing.
It's like you think I'm mafia with Acro or something, which is laughably dumb.
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I did follow it up.
If you haven't noticed, I still am not completely sure of his alignment.
What's the point in this? You and everyone else are calling me scum for how my reads change over the game, it's ridiculous. Stop being so thick-headed and fucking think about the game for a minute. Who has played townier this game between Hapa and I? Me. Do you REALLY think town Hapa would play so passive? Really? And scum Yamato be so... not passive?
I don't understand how you manage to convince yourself of these things. You're not a newbie player.
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You're arguing me being mafia on the basis of Acro being mafia, which is something you've yet to prove.
This is absurd. Do you just not consider the possibility that you're wrong once in a while? I know your ego is MASSIVE and all, but does that thought ever cross your mind?
Think about it. Seriously. I HAVE played a townier game than Hapa, and I am damn sure I look a hell of a lot townier than him today.
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Think about this possiblity:
Acro is town.
I am town.
I thought Acro was mafia, and was mildly suspicious of him for a while.
You dueled someone out of the fucking blue day 1, cutting off all discussion of anyone but you and Keir, who I initially had right. I thought you were mafia mucking up the thread with an easy, quick duel because it seemed premature, BUT I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND LYNCHED MAFIA.
I thought Acro might be mafia again, for some very good reasons. I didn't duel him because of the overwhelmingly NEGATIVE response to this idea. Plus, I really did take my time to consider that Dieno might be mafia, and became relatively convinced after rereading Parallel. Again, I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND LYNCHED MAFIA.
Come to today. I think Acro being town is MORE likely because of his push toward Dieno, and the fact that Hapa looks like lazy fucking scum. I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND AM GOING TO LYNCH MAFIA.
See a pattern here? When I rethink the situation, things become much more clear. You should take a page from my book and consider the game from a different perspective than Acro = mafia.
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My goal is to convince you, if you are indeed town, to not be so tunneled.
You say you've thought about being wrong, but I don't see it. Your "townie points" for Hapa are hilariously weak and mostly association-based, but yet you rate him over me when I've been more involved with town the whole fucking game.
I don't know. It's up there as one of the best heuristics, especially when applied to hyper-active townies like Hapa. When he's got a smaller filter than me and less attachment to the thread than me, there's a problem. He may have had the "right" reads, but how much is that really worth? Did he really do anything to get either of Keirathi or Deino lynched? Not really. Sure, he had a vote, but did he ever come in the thread and try to convince people to vote with him? No. Did I? Yes. Yet you give him more town cred than me for the Keirathi lynch. Why? You see what you want to see, which is that I'm mafia.
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At this point I really wouldn't mind if I got lynched, to be honest.
If it lets people like Adam see the game in a new light, so be it.
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