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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 18:01 GMT
#460
On February 26 2013 03:00 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 02:59 iamperfection wrote:
On February 26 2013 02:57 Acrofales wrote:
On February 25 2013 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
On February 25 2013 13:11 Dienosore wrote:
On February 25 2013 12:48 Adam4167 wrote:
You can still change my mind, I am not a tunnel machine. I pull out of shit tunnels all the time, as I did with GoodKarma in Chrono or SacredSystem in a newbie I subbed into with Zarepath months ago.

You are right, we have more than enough time to deliberate, I am making my intentions known now so we can discuss it at depth.

You want to change my mind? Go find scum. I'd like to think Ill know pretty quickly if what you're posting is genuine or piffle.


Good to hear that you are willing to disarm, even if ever so slightly.

Unfortunately, I am not the best scum hunter. I rely on my maps a lot, as you probably know, which usually require days of information and copious cross referencing before the incriminating connections really stand out.

I'll try to whip up something before I go to bed tonight, though.

oh god i love the map



but ill have to wait until morning.


Dieno posted the map, do you still think he's scum?

you reading the thread?

You haven't commented on Dieno's map.

i commented on dino
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 18:07 GMT
#467
On February 26 2013 03:02 Acrofales wrote:
You offhandedly mentioned "he looked a bit better". I was expecting more after you specifically made a comment that you were excited to see his map. Do you think he could fake the map as scum?

excited because it entertains me not that i think it would be a secret to figuring out his alignment. If he is town he will continue to be enthusiastic about the game and trying to catch scum.

as for the fake thing im sure he could. he seem like wily guy.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 22:42 GMT
#498
hapa why the fuck are you defending yourself so much?

you should know the only way to prove your town if you are in fact town.........
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 22:55 GMT
#500
On February 26 2013 06:07 zarepath wrote:
I'm going to be mostly AFK for the rest of the Night so here are some reads/suspicions for the moment.

Hapa
The very first thing he does is claim town, which I really dislike.
Proposes a policy.
Suggests that all Cora wants to do is call Sylencia a dick... stoking the flames
The 180 on iamp with not a lot of justification

In the end he makes a fairly good defense (last post in his filter). The iamp 180 does look awful, but I can see the reasoning behind it.

Oats
Super spastic. Tons of questions. The other game I've played with Oats, this is how he played Day 1 in order to get information/discussion flowing. I am pretty sure that is his tactic now. But if literally zero cases or reads come out of it, his behavior is going to look scummy in retrospect.

Keirathi
Somebody else who soft-claimed town immediately, a thing I hate. Supposedly caught up with the thread but hasn't made his presence known in any substantial way. He needs to have opinions or something.

Dienosore
I feel like he is the stuffed animal of this game of mafia. He is cute and friendly and makes sweet pictures and hard to hate, but when night strikes he turns into an Agent of Evil and creepily plots our demise. Okay, so not really. His picture is potentially helpful/useful, and I like his tone, but he has really gone out of his way to talk about how friendly he is, which strikes me a little bit of Stranger In An Unmarked Van syndrome. He opts to be the nice welcoming guy to Cora when everyone else is finding excuses to hate him, and it just makes my heart swell. Then in his defense of his defense of Cora, he mentions multiple times how friendly he is. Why is he so concerned with looking friendly? Town doesn't need to worry how they look, just what they accomplish. Note that he also went out of his way to express how he is NOT good at catching scum. Why would town advertise that? Don't they want their arguments to hold sway?

I want to see more of his conclusions from his mapping; undoubtedly several occur to him while he does the research.

Adam
What does Adam think about people not named Dienosore? Hard to tell.

Snarfs
Unless Snarfs has been mafia a million times in a row, his first line was a super annoying soft-town-claim that is not justified, in my opinion. Now that he's caught up I wonder what his other thoughts are.

Sylencia
I mentioned this earlier, but Sylencia looks the scummiest right now of all of the players. Others have contributed less/none, but the few things Sylencia has popped in to post fall easily under the Scum Motivated category. He has more work to do to stop looking scummy than anybody else. Just check his filter and the case makes itself.

iamperfection
His player list comment (assuming town will have the good players for some reason) sounds awful but when looked at, I can understand how it's simply just saying that there are so many good players we're bound to have at least one as town. His logic fails to account for the fact that mafia will also have good players, so it's not like town will now have it easy .

He calls someone town REALLY early in the game, which something you can usually only do with confidence when you are scum.

He calls Snarfs scummy also very early in the game, then tells other people to discuss it. I think this is kind of null, but worth bringing up because it was a unique read.

He goes out of his way to answer for corazon, tell him who is scum. I don't know that I can see scum acting this... forwardly. He is unforgiving in his opinions and doesn't really bend at all to town, and he just has this weird vibe. I get a sense of unique thoughts coming from this man. He gives a bunch of town reads, which is apparently something he just does.

This man is a Wild Card. I think I like him. (And I can also understand how someone would be certain that he's scum and then suddenly decide he's no longer scum.)













this post is scummy as fuck

at the top he says these are reads and suspicions but they aren't.

1. all he does is sum up what people did with no real conclusions
2. wishy washy as fuck( sums up several players actions..ie me hapa dino kier) but then has no conclusion on those players alignments one way or the other. This is scummy because hit is a good way to look like your contributing when you are in fact not
3. says stuff that doesn't make sense. ie hapa's 180 looks awful but he can see the reasoning behind it..... (then it is not awful)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 22:59 GMT
#506
On February 26 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 06:07 zarepath wrote:
I'm going to be mostly AFK for the rest of the Night so here are some reads/suspicions for the moment.

Hapa
The very first thing he does is claim town, which I really dislike.
Proposes a policy.
Suggests that all Cora wants to do is call Sylencia a dick... stoking the flames
The 180 on iamp with not a lot of justification

In the end he makes a fairly good defense (last post in his filter). The iamp 180 does look awful, but I can see the reasoning behind it.

Oats
Super spastic. Tons of questions. The other game I've played with Oats, this is how he played Day 1 in order to get information/discussion flowing. I am pretty sure that is his tactic now. But if literally zero cases or reads come out of it, his behavior is going to look scummy in retrospect.

Keirathi
Somebody else who soft-claimed town immediately, a thing I hate. Supposedly caught up with the thread but hasn't made his presence known in any substantial way. He needs to have opinions or something.

Dienosore
I feel like he is the stuffed animal of this game of mafia. He is cute and friendly and makes sweet pictures and hard to hate, but when night strikes he turns into an Agent of Evil and creepily plots our demise. Okay, so not really. His picture is potentially helpful/useful, and I like his tone, but he has really gone out of his way to talk about how friendly he is, which strikes me a little bit of Stranger In An Unmarked Van syndrome. He opts to be the nice welcoming guy to Cora when everyone else is finding excuses to hate him, and it just makes my heart swell. Then in his defense of his defense of Cora, he mentions multiple times how friendly he is. Why is he so concerned with looking friendly? Town doesn't need to worry how they look, just what they accomplish. Note that he also went out of his way to express how he is NOT good at catching scum. Why would town advertise that? Don't they want their arguments to hold sway?

I want to see more of his conclusions from his mapping; undoubtedly several occur to him while he does the research.

Adam
What does Adam think about people not named Dienosore? Hard to tell.

Snarfs
Unless Snarfs has been mafia a million times in a row, his first line was a super annoying soft-town-claim that is not justified, in my opinion. Now that he's caught up I wonder what his other thoughts are.

Sylencia
I mentioned this earlier, but Sylencia looks the scummiest right now of all of the players. Others have contributed less/none, but the few things Sylencia has popped in to post fall easily under the Scum Motivated category. He has more work to do to stop looking scummy than anybody else. Just check his filter and the case makes itself.

iamperfection
His player list comment (assuming town will have the good players for some reason) sounds awful but when looked at, I can understand how it's simply just saying that there are so many good players we're bound to have at least one as town. His logic fails to account for the fact that mafia will also have good players, so it's not like town will now have it easy .

He calls someone town REALLY early in the game, which something you can usually only do with confidence when you are scum.

He calls Snarfs scummy also very early in the game, then tells other people to discuss it. I think this is kind of null, but worth bringing up because it was a unique read.

He goes out of his way to answer for corazon, tell him who is scum. I don't know that I can see scum acting this... forwardly. He is unforgiving in his opinions and doesn't really bend at all to town, and he just has this weird vibe. I get a sense of unique thoughts coming from this man. He gives a bunch of town reads, which is apparently something he just does.

This man is a Wild Card. I think I like him. (And I can also understand how someone would be certain that he's scum and then suddenly decide he's no longer scum.)













this post is scummy as fuck

at the top he says these are reads and suspicions but they aren't.

1. all he does is sum up what people did with no real conclusions
2. wishy washy as fuck( sums up several players actions..ie me hapa dino kier) but then has no conclusion on those players alignments one way or the other. This is scummy because hit is a good way to look like your contributing when you are in fact not
3. says stuff that doesn't make sense. ie hapa's 180 looks awful but he can see the reasoning behind it..... (then it is not awful)

anybody agree with me here?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 23:01 GMT
#507
On February 26 2013 07:59 marvellosity wrote:
zarepath - I like what he's done since he's been here. Picking up on good things, effort blabla.

you like that last big post.............? wat
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 23:07 GMT
#517
On February 26 2013 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh waht the fuck goddamnit I thought hte deadline was at 7

i thought it was 8
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 23:09 GMT
#521
On February 26 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:
On February 26 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote:
On February 26 2013 06:07 zarepath wrote:
I'm going to be mostly AFK for the rest of the Night so here are some reads/suspicions for the moment.

Hapa
The very first thing he does is claim town, which I really dislike.
Proposes a policy.
Suggests that all Cora wants to do is call Sylencia a dick... stoking the flames
The 180 on iamp with not a lot of justification

In the end he makes a fairly good defense (last post in his filter). The iamp 180 does look awful, but I can see the reasoning behind it.

Oats
Super spastic. Tons of questions. The other game I've played with Oats, this is how he played Day 1 in order to get information/discussion flowing. I am pretty sure that is his tactic now. But if literally zero cases or reads come out of it, his behavior is going to look scummy in retrospect.

Keirathi
Somebody else who soft-claimed town immediately, a thing I hate. Supposedly caught up with the thread but hasn't made his presence known in any substantial way. He needs to have opinions or something.

Dienosore
I feel like he is the stuffed animal of this game of mafia. He is cute and friendly and makes sweet pictures and hard to hate, but when night strikes he turns into an Agent of Evil and creepily plots our demise. Okay, so not really. His picture is potentially helpful/useful, and I like his tone, but he has really gone out of his way to talk about how friendly he is, which strikes me a little bit of Stranger In An Unmarked Van syndrome. He opts to be the nice welcoming guy to Cora when everyone else is finding excuses to hate him, and it just makes my heart swell. Then in his defense of his defense of Cora, he mentions multiple times how friendly he is. Why is he so concerned with looking friendly? Town doesn't need to worry how they look, just what they accomplish. Note that he also went out of his way to express how he is NOT good at catching scum. Why would town advertise that? Don't they want their arguments to hold sway?

I want to see more of his conclusions from his mapping; undoubtedly several occur to him while he does the research.

Adam
What does Adam think about people not named Dienosore? Hard to tell.

Snarfs
Unless Snarfs has been mafia a million times in a row, his first line was a super annoying soft-town-claim that is not justified, in my opinion. Now that he's caught up I wonder what his other thoughts are.

Sylencia
I mentioned this earlier, but Sylencia looks the scummiest right now of all of the players. Others have contributed less/none, but the few things Sylencia has popped in to post fall easily under the Scum Motivated category. He has more work to do to stop looking scummy than anybody else. Just check his filter and the case makes itself.

iamperfection
His player list comment (assuming town will have the good players for some reason) sounds awful but when looked at, I can understand how it's simply just saying that there are so many good players we're bound to have at least one as town. His logic fails to account for the fact that mafia will also have good players, so it's not like town will now have it easy .

He calls someone town REALLY early in the game, which something you can usually only do with confidence when you are scum.

He calls Snarfs scummy also very early in the game, then tells other people to discuss it. I think this is kind of null, but worth bringing up because it was a unique read.

He goes out of his way to answer for corazon, tell him who is scum. I don't know that I can see scum acting this... forwardly. He is unforgiving in his opinions and doesn't really bend at all to town, and he just has this weird vibe. I get a sense of unique thoughts coming from this man. He gives a bunch of town reads, which is apparently something he just does.

This man is a Wild Card. I think I like him. (And I can also understand how someone would be certain that he's scum and then suddenly decide he's no longer scum.)













this post is scummy as fuck

at the top he says these are reads and suspicions but they aren't.

1. all he does is sum up what people did with no real conclusions
2. wishy washy as fuck( sums up several players actions..ie me hapa dino kier) but then has no conclusion on those players alignments one way or the other. This is scummy because hit is a good way to look like your contributing when you are in fact not
3. says stuff that doesn't make sense. ie hapa's 180 looks awful but he can see the reasoning behind it..... (then it is not awful)

anybody agree with me here?


After reading Zare's post again, I do think you have a point. I also think this post is full of ideas that have been said already. It really just looks like an unfocused list of his reads based on what others have said.

If I may be so bold Iamp, would you like to reciprocate and give me some feedback on my suspicion towards Oats?
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 26 2013 06:17 cDgCorazon wrote:
A few other things I would like to point out:

Oats' play so far has been a bit shaky for me. I already pointed out the fact that he is being inconsistent towards Iamp and other players, but he hasn't made any clear effort to scumhunt. Most of his filter has been directing discussion and debates with others, but he hasn't brought in any clear direction with his posts. He has made several hints to him thinking players are scummy:

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro is also somewhat scummy, cant really pin down what it is though :/


Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Welcome to scumland Zarepath, at least in my book :D


The points where he has shown doubt and suspicion on another player (and not their arguments) have been thrown out there, but he hasn't put anything behind them. The one time where he expanded on one of these points:

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.


Acro's response basically explains how I feel about this:

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 12:13 Acrofales wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.


This is completely contradictory.

In LIX Marv didn't step up until later. He was town there.
In this game, Marv has not stepped up in the first 4 (or so) hours of the game.

Therefore Marv is scummy this game.

This makes no sense to me.

Oats, your reads so far make no sense. You scum throwing shitty cases around and trying to discredit strong players?


The moment after Oats makes this illogical statement, he tries to get everyone to not think about it:

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 11:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway its pointless to pursue this further on this point, I dont think its a very strong scumtell for marv, but it isnt a towntell. Which makes me suspicous.

Also hapa get in the game, thrawn and marv just beat you to the exact same point.


And when he gets challenged on the point, he tries to throw the discussion elsewhere:

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thrawn I didnt say it wasnt a scumtell, I said it wasnt a strong scumtell.
Anyway stop discussing Marv, its getting nowhere.

Acro do you have any reads?


He's trying to dodge the fact that he made an illogical argument. To me, that is a strong scum tell. He refuses to elaborate on why Marv playing like his town meta makes him scummy because he knows it is a bad argument. Why would scum try to avoid this? They need to make up arguments that are not true so that the town will not vote them off. Why would he make this silly argument in the first place if he wasn't scum? Why would he not own up to his mistake and take the blame for a bad argument and instead try to sidestep it? These are the questions I would love to see Oats answer.


oats hasnt bugged me at all i think he is town
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 23:15 GMT
#523
a rare treat for you guys i had planned on doing this at the deadline but whatever my personal notes



Hapahauli- scummy just a bunh of policy stuff. thought question to marv about cor was wierd. complains about stuff hasnt given any real reads. just questioning my logic not doing anything else tunnels me like crazy and wont comment on anything else. backs off just like in mario mini. so much defense no scum huinting

Acrofales-meh opening. disagreed with me whatever. more meh just challenging logic not hunting scum. looked up my past games slight town meh made a bunch of reads that some i agree with seems alright null closer to town now

Oatsmaster- like his tone seems aggresive not afraid of anybody it seems
Alderan- who is he?

Keirathi-scummy made a useless post and ran away. still hasnt done shit

thrawn2112- attacked me. he aint stupid town

Dienosore worst opening post i have ever seen. so wishy washy and useless more recent posts seem ok more agression looks more intrested in the game leaning town now

zarepath- scummy as fuck. made a huge list posst that was scummy as fuck didnt explain what was scummy just sumed up shit

Adam4167- i dont know. seems somewhat active though

marvellosity- seems confident maybe town not shying away at all seems intrested. confused by yamtos actions somewhat town tell possibly trying to figure out yamato. called out cdg not afraid of calling out early. seems intrested in whats going on. somewhat confusing that he likes zarepth

Snarfs-scummy- excited that he rolled town.... but didnt do shit.

cDgCorazon-meh - came back with useless post pointing out diffrence but didnt say anything of alignment. wouldnt answer when asked for alignments.shits up the thread with useless crap with syl had a post where he said the vets where stupid and using meta wrong means he is probally town

Sylencia-meh slightly scummy- threw shit on cdg but said nothing of his alignment. shits up the thread with useless crap with cdg slight agresive tone though maybe town look closely

iamperfection-Innocent child

yamato77- town- not afriad of spot light
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 23:17 GMT
#524
On February 26 2013 08:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 08:09 iamperfection wrote:
On February 26 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
On February 26 2013 07:59 iamperfection wrote:
On February 26 2013 07:55 iamperfection wrote:
On February 26 2013 06:07 zarepath wrote:
I'm going to be mostly AFK for the rest of the Night so here are some reads/suspicions for the moment.

Hapa
The very first thing he does is claim town, which I really dislike.
Proposes a policy.
Suggests that all Cora wants to do is call Sylencia a dick... stoking the flames
The 180 on iamp with not a lot of justification

In the end he makes a fairly good defense (last post in his filter). The iamp 180 does look awful, but I can see the reasoning behind it.

Oats
Super spastic. Tons of questions. The other game I've played with Oats, this is how he played Day 1 in order to get information/discussion flowing. I am pretty sure that is his tactic now. But if literally zero cases or reads come out of it, his behavior is going to look scummy in retrospect.

Keirathi
Somebody else who soft-claimed town immediately, a thing I hate. Supposedly caught up with the thread but hasn't made his presence known in any substantial way. He needs to have opinions or something.

Dienosore
I feel like he is the stuffed animal of this game of mafia. He is cute and friendly and makes sweet pictures and hard to hate, but when night strikes he turns into an Agent of Evil and creepily plots our demise. Okay, so not really. His picture is potentially helpful/useful, and I like his tone, but he has really gone out of his way to talk about how friendly he is, which strikes me a little bit of Stranger In An Unmarked Van syndrome. He opts to be the nice welcoming guy to Cora when everyone else is finding excuses to hate him, and it just makes my heart swell. Then in his defense of his defense of Cora, he mentions multiple times how friendly he is. Why is he so concerned with looking friendly? Town doesn't need to worry how they look, just what they accomplish. Note that he also went out of his way to express how he is NOT good at catching scum. Why would town advertise that? Don't they want their arguments to hold sway?

I want to see more of his conclusions from his mapping; undoubtedly several occur to him while he does the research.

Adam
What does Adam think about people not named Dienosore? Hard to tell.

Snarfs
Unless Snarfs has been mafia a million times in a row, his first line was a super annoying soft-town-claim that is not justified, in my opinion. Now that he's caught up I wonder what his other thoughts are.

Sylencia
I mentioned this earlier, but Sylencia looks the scummiest right now of all of the players. Others have contributed less/none, but the few things Sylencia has popped in to post fall easily under the Scum Motivated category. He has more work to do to stop looking scummy than anybody else. Just check his filter and the case makes itself.

iamperfection
His player list comment (assuming town will have the good players for some reason) sounds awful but when looked at, I can understand how it's simply just saying that there are so many good players we're bound to have at least one as town. His logic fails to account for the fact that mafia will also have good players, so it's not like town will now have it easy .

He calls someone town REALLY early in the game, which something you can usually only do with confidence when you are scum.

He calls Snarfs scummy also very early in the game, then tells other people to discuss it. I think this is kind of null, but worth bringing up because it was a unique read.

He goes out of his way to answer for corazon, tell him who is scum. I don't know that I can see scum acting this... forwardly. He is unforgiving in his opinions and doesn't really bend at all to town, and he just has this weird vibe. I get a sense of unique thoughts coming from this man. He gives a bunch of town reads, which is apparently something he just does.

This man is a Wild Card. I think I like him. (And I can also understand how someone would be certain that he's scum and then suddenly decide he's no longer scum.)













this post is scummy as fuck

at the top he says these are reads and suspicions but they aren't.

1. all he does is sum up what people did with no real conclusions
2. wishy washy as fuck( sums up several players actions..ie me hapa dino kier) but then has no conclusion on those players alignments one way or the other. This is scummy because hit is a good way to look like your contributing when you are in fact not
3. says stuff that doesn't make sense. ie hapa's 180 looks awful but he can see the reasoning behind it..... (then it is not awful)

anybody agree with me here?


After reading Zare's post again, I do think you have a point. I also think this post is full of ideas that have been said already. It really just looks like an unfocused list of his reads based on what others have said.

If I may be so bold Iamp, would you like to reciprocate and give me some feedback on my suspicion towards Oats?
+ Show Spoiler +

On February 26 2013 06:17 cDgCorazon wrote:
A few other things I would like to point out:

Oats' play so far has been a bit shaky for me. I already pointed out the fact that he is being inconsistent towards Iamp and other players, but he hasn't made any clear effort to scumhunt. Most of his filter has been directing discussion and debates with others, but he hasn't brought in any clear direction with his posts. He has made several hints to him thinking players are scummy:

Show nested quote +
On February 25 2013 20:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Acro is also somewhat scummy, cant really pin down what it is though :/


Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Welcome to scumland Zarepath, at least in my book :D


The points where he has shown doubt and suspicion on another player (and not their arguments) have been thrown out there, but he hasn't put anything behind them. The one time where he expanded on one of these points:

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On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.


Acro's response basically explains how I feel about this:

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On February 25 2013 12:13 Acrofales wrote:
On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.


This is completely contradictory.

In LIX Marv didn't step up until later. He was town there.
In this game, Marv has not stepped up in the first 4 (or so) hours of the game.

Therefore Marv is scummy this game.

This makes no sense to me.

Oats, your reads so far make no sense. You scum throwing shitty cases around and trying to discredit strong players?


The moment after Oats makes this illogical statement, he tries to get everyone to not think about it:

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On February 25 2013 11:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway its pointless to pursue this further on this point, I dont think its a very strong scumtell for marv, but it isnt a towntell. Which makes me suspicous.

Also hapa get in the game, thrawn and marv just beat you to the exact same point.


And when he gets challenged on the point, he tries to throw the discussion elsewhere:

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On February 25 2013 11:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thrawn I didnt say it wasnt a scumtell, I said it wasnt a strong scumtell.
Anyway stop discussing Marv, its getting nowhere.

Acro do you have any reads?


He's trying to dodge the fact that he made an illogical argument. To me, that is a strong scum tell. He refuses to elaborate on why Marv playing like his town meta makes him scummy because he knows it is a bad argument. Why would scum try to avoid this? They need to make up arguments that are not true so that the town will not vote them off. Why would he make this silly argument in the first place if he wasn't scum? Why would he not own up to his mistake and take the blame for a bad argument and instead try to sidestep it? These are the questions I would love to see Oats answer.


oats hasnt bugged me at all i think he is town


So do you feel like my points are not scum tells? Or that they are not strong enough to sway you from your current read of Oats?

im not a big scum slip guy i look more into mindset and contribution.

do they care about the lynch
are they trying to figure shit out

to me it looks like oats is trying to figure shit out
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 23:18 GMT
#525
back in a couple of hours
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 25 2013 23:32 GMT
#531
[QagreeUOTE]On February 26 2013 08:28 Acrofales wrote:
Keir had time to pop in and say "hai gaiz, I'm town", then bugger off for 15 hours, say he was reading the thread, and ask a pointless question. The only motivation I can see for this behaviour is to say "dudes, I'm in the game and doing stuff", which is behaviour I associate with scums.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 26 2013 00:50 GMT
#554
i would like to

do zare vs snarf
or
zare vs kier

i would like to give hapa some more time.

Is there anyone that is with me?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 26 2013 01:15 GMT
#555
anyone?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 26 2013 01:35 GMT
#560
On February 26 2013 10:22 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 09:50 iamperfection wrote:
i would like to

do zare vs snarf
or
zare vs kier

i would like to give hapa some more time.

Is there anyone that is with me?

Tell me again why Thrawn is town. His calling you out is not enough given the rest of his play. I have played town with him once and he played well. I read 2 other of his town games and they were also fine. This is not his townplay.

i just dont think he is stupid. call it gut or whatever but his last scum games he did not post at all like we are talking 4 or 5 posts.

is it possible he is scum yeah but i think there are better candidates and my gut says he is town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 26 2013 02:08 GMT
#565
On February 26 2013 11:01 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
reads keirathi?

No solid reads yet. I'm interested in thrawn, obviously. The town thrawn I know is logical and takes his time to look at all sides of the situation, and I just haven't seen that from him this game. He's just been flying by the seat of his pants (iamp scum, no town, no scum again! Hapa should be a dueler tomorrow!) with little to no reasoning for his "reads".

how the fuck can you not have a solid read yet....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................


i just gave you my longest period silence ever becasue frankly keir if you dont have a solid read you must not be reading the thread which makes me think your scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 26 2013 02:20 GMT
#568
On February 26 2013 11:18 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 11:08 iamperfection wrote:
On February 26 2013 11:01 Keirathi wrote:
On February 26 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
reads keirathi?

No solid reads yet. I'm interested in thrawn, obviously. The town thrawn I know is logical and takes his time to look at all sides of the situation, and I just haven't seen that from him this game. He's just been flying by the seat of his pants (iamp scum, no town, no scum again! Hapa should be a dueler tomorrow!) with little to no reasoning for his "reads".

how the fuck can you not have a solid read yet....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................


i just gave you my longest period silence ever becasue frankly keir if you dont have a solid read you must not be reading the thread which makes me think your scum.

I honestly haven't put a whole lot of effort into the game at this point because I've just been busy. I'm not going to force reads I don't believe in though, nor am I going to apologize for that.

You act like this is something new, though. In fact, iirc, this isn't even the first time you've made that statement about me on day 1 ("OMG you must be scum if you aren't sure about reads 24 hours into the game!"). Sorry, I'll work at my own pace and have reads when I have them.

how about instead of pissing and moaning you do something.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 26 2013 14:01 GMT
#733
adam is a retard but kier is more likely to be scum he should die.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 26 2013 15:10 GMT
#742
that was me
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
February 26 2013 15:13 GMT
#744
On February 27 2013 00:09 The Macho Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2013 23:55 Acrofales wrote:
On February 26 2013 23:01 iamperfection wrote:
adam is a retard but kier is more likely to be scum he should die.

Why does adam's action look like "retard town" and not like scum to you?

Why would adam as scum initiate a duel?

seem to me he was far from being the most likely to be called out.

for my filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
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