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On February 25 2013 19:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Acro, how is having reads a scumtell? And how is attacking vets a scumtell? Dieno dont sheep Acro, Why is this scummy?
You are completely twisting that post. I will quote it for good measure, because you seriously fail at quoting:
+ Show Spoiler [Acro pressure on Oats] +On February 25 2013 12:13 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I get a different feeling in this game than LIX.
He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone.
So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy.
This is completely contradictory. In LIX Marv didn't step up until later. He was town there. In this game, Marv has not stepped up in the first 4 (or so) hours of the game. Therefore Marv is scummy this game. This makes no sense to me. Oats, your reads so far make no sense. You scum throwing shitty cases around and trying to discredit strong players?
My problem here is clearly not with you attacking Marv, it's with you "having reads", which make no sense at all. "Having reads" based on literally nothing (and yes, a reason that is self-contradictory is nothing) is not having reads. At best it's a townie who has no clue what he's doing, at worst it's inventing shit for the sake of looking like you're contributing, and to discredit someone. That's something scum does.
Now I need to figure out whether you're just always this illogical and should just be ignored, or whether you make sense as town and this is a scum move. I seem to remember you having some pretty bad cases in CT, but I don't remember them being self-contradictory. Will have to read up.
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On February 25 2013 20:18 thrawn2112 wrote:hmm I actually agree with you about acro He's been playing something like a peaceable negotiator.. he's entered several conversations but he takes very neutral sounding positions. "Peaceable" meaning not willing to take stances and call people scummy. He's been mostly arguing logic and the scum reads he gives are pretty weak. For example this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 25 2013 12:35 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:25 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:22 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 12:18 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:14 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:13 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 12:11 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 12:03 Hapahauli wrote:On February 25 2013 11:56 marvellosity wrote:no idea how i fucked that one up On February 25 2013 11:52 Hapahauli wrote:
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Oh come on Marv. I miss shit like that all the time as town and you know it. the fact remains that you basically haven't done anything this game except attack iamp, and you've done so under false pretenses. I have no real reason to think of you as town right now False pretenses? That's just one of the several reasons I'm suspicious of him right now. I think he's scummy due to his his nonsensical Thrawn read, as well has him name-dropping Dieno. On February 25 2013 10:28 iamperfection wrote:
the answer is snarfs or dino man corazon. Also, this post in general is really scummy in context. Why on earth is he answering a question for Corazon? In fact his posts right after that suggests that he's suspicious of Cora at point: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#221http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=12#222The thought-process makes no sense. He's suspicious of Cora, yet he's willing to answer questions for him? Nope. for someone that has played a ton of games with me it seems like you are puzzled by my actions. dont get it hapa and this is still the only thing you are doing is commenting on me. If this is what you plan on doing all cycle i think you have to be scum. your tunneling of me for no reason other than you dont like some of my reads. explain how any of my actions are scummy am i afraid of the spotlight? am i interested in lynching scum? you havent done any of that and wont comment on anything else despite saying you have more material. maybe your just bad at scum hapa I'll admit you're getting better with the "spotlight" and "activity" thing. Though answer what I posted above: why were you answering questions for Corazon? because i felt like it. Fuck it that a town iamp response if I've ever seen one. Time to look into some other peeps. Iamp's last scumgame was GSL 3, about 4 months ago. Since then he's played quite a bit of town. Do you really think this one easy sentence is enough to proclaim him town? That "I'll do whatever the fuck I want" mentality is town-iamp in a nutshell. Also, his activity is vastly-improved from when I started off on him. So it's a combination of the attitude that sentence purveys and his increased activity. But he's had that attitude all game. Thrawn thought he was scum for it, you think he's town for it. I have no clue, I'd say he's playing pretty similar to the start of CT, where he was town, but I thought he could be scum. He is aggressive and doesn't give a shit. However, the reasons I doubt him are still the same: he gives no reasons, isn't forceful about his reads and has this post: Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 07:04 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 07:02 yamato77 wrote:On February 25 2013 06:59 marvellosity wrote:
Why do you think town will? As far as I can see you're the one in the thread being retarded so far, so if it does it'll be because of people like you.
Like I said, the last thing town needs is someone like you playing the hero. The last thing town needs is a bunch of people yelling at each other to duel someone else. But whatever, do what you want. I'm only going to duel someone if things go bad, which I think they will. If they go your way, good, but I doubt it. Town is rarely that cooperative. meh you just haven't experienced many good towns im gonna guess mafia will be under pressure from this setup im gonna guess since time is on our side. And looking at the player list some of the better players will likely be town so we will be able to sweat the mafia i would say This post is pointless, but a suspicious mind might think why even bother bringing it up? How does Iamp know that good players are likely town, rather than scum? I don't say anything of it is very conclusive, but given that you and thrawn reach different conclusions based on the same meta, one of you must be wrong and getting some more info on why you think the meta makes him town is important. That's a lot of words/thoughts to write without coming to any real conclusions. He's got an inconclusive read on iamp, and says one of hapa or thrawn might have extra information they're using to make differing meta reads on iamp. Since hapa is calling iamp town, thrawn is calling him scum, that means that the only scenarios where that original statement makes sense is either if hapa is mafia and iamp is town, or if thrawn and iamp are both scum. But Acro doesn't mention any of this....... I suspect because he hasn't actually thought through it to realize how silly it is. It doesn't seem like a real read that a townie would have.
You are reading way more into this post than I put there. What I am trying to do is figure out Iamp (and if that helps me figure out you and Hapa at the same time, that's awesome). You seem to think that the only conclusion I can draw from one of you being wrong is that one of you (you immediately assume Hapa) is scum. No: the conclusion I would draw is that one of you is wrong.
I'm still unsure about Iamp, but for the moment I will trust Hapa's judgement. I looked at GSL 3 and he doesn't have the same brazen aggression he has here. It's worth reconsidering later, but Iamp seems to be more intent on blending as scum. It's possible he has improved his play to look more like his town play in the last 4 months, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
That doesn't mean you, Thrawn, are scum, it just means I don't think your read was right.
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On February 25 2013 22:11 Oatsmaster wrote:I want to duel you so bad. Why are you defending marv? Do you have a town read on him? Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 22:02 Acrofales wrote:
Now I need to figure out whether you're just always this illogical and should just be ignored, or whether you make sense as town and this is a scum move Also calling me bad is not cool, especially now that you basically said I am scum or useless town, which means that you dont need to care about my opinions. This is scummy, because you want to discredit me and have 1 less townie contributing
Then post something that makes sense. Until then I will treat you as Bill Murray.
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He *might* be scum, but it'll take a lot more for me to have anything more than a slight suspicion. The things that stand out:
1. His read on Iamp is a bit weird, because I found Iamp's playstyle fairly consistent throughout the game and the one post that suddenly made him have a town read instead of suspecting Iamp was just a continuation from his former playstyle.
2. His defense of Snarfs, because his "post seemed genuine and excited". I don't think anybody is taking offense to Snarfs first post, which I agree sounded genuine and excited. The problem is that if Snarfs was so excited to play, where is he? I would have expected Hapa to understand that and therefore this defense is strange.
But I don't agree with your point that missing the post by Iamp about Snarfs is scummy. Missing a post is just something that happens.
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Okay, Oats seems to be playing very different from his scumgame in LIX.
Marv, what do you think of Oats?
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EBWOP: and in fact, his spat with me is very similar to how he reacted to Mocsta in Nomination.
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On February 26 2013 02:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
i think it's a good idea. if he gets to decide who to duel at the end of the cycle
If you think he's scum, which I presume you do, seeing as you want him to duel, why do you want HIM to pick his dueling partner?
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On February 26 2013 02:49 yamato77 wrote:
Thrawn/Hapa duel
Let's make it happen, people.
Hapa just addressed your case. I agree with him (I pretty much dismissed your arguments as not indicative of alignment). You seem to still think he's scum. Is this because of the points Marv and I made? Or is it for something else?
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Regarding Thrawn: Iamp has a meta town read on him.
Iamp, mind elaborating on that read?
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On February 25 2013 13:15 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 13:11 Dienosore wrote:On February 25 2013 12:48 Adam4167 wrote:
You can still change my mind, I am not a tunnel machine. I pull out of shit tunnels all the time, as I did with GoodKarma in Chrono or SacredSystem in a newbie I subbed into with Zarepath months ago.
You are right, we have more than enough time to deliberate, I am making my intentions known now so we can discuss it at depth.
You want to change my mind? Go find scum. I'd like to think Ill know pretty quickly if what you're posting is genuine or piffle.
Good to hear that you are willing to disarm, even if ever so slightly. Unfortunately, I am not the best scum hunter. I rely on my maps a lot, as you probably know, which usually require days of information and copious cross referencing before the incriminating connections really stand out. I'll try to whip up something before I go to bed tonight, though. oh god i love the map  but ill have to wait until morning.
Dieno posted the map, do you still think he's scum?
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On February 26 2013 00:55 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
there's 5 players by my count who haven't really started playing the game yet. It's an unfortunately high percentage.
snarfs/kei/sylencia/alderan/zare never seen kier not play before alderan has done this this before he was scum you actually replaced him.
Alderan was quite lurky as town in GoT mafia. Inactivity seems a bit different, we'll just have to wait and see.
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On February 26 2013 02:59 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 02:57 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 13:15 iamperfection wrote:On February 25 2013 13:11 Dienosore wrote:On February 25 2013 12:48 Adam4167 wrote:
You can still change my mind, I am not a tunnel machine. I pull out of shit tunnels all the time, as I did with GoodKarma in Chrono or SacredSystem in a newbie I subbed into with Zarepath months ago.
You are right, we have more than enough time to deliberate, I am making my intentions known now so we can discuss it at depth.
You want to change my mind? Go find scum. I'd like to think Ill know pretty quickly if what you're posting is genuine or piffle.
Good to hear that you are willing to disarm, even if ever so slightly. Unfortunately, I am not the best scum hunter. I rely on my maps a lot, as you probably know, which usually require days of information and copious cross referencing before the incriminating connections really stand out. I'll try to whip up something before I go to bed tonight, though. oh god i love the map but ill have to wait until morning. Dieno posted the map, do you still think he's scum? you reading the thread?
You haven't commented on Dieno's map.
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You offhandedly mentioned "he looked a bit better". I was expecting more after you specifically made a comment that you were excited to see his map. Do you think he could fake the map as scum?
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On February 26 2013 03:01 thrawn2112 wrote:
lol so everyone is calling hapa scum but they don't want him as a potential lynch candidate?
Thrawn, do you have an opinion on anybody else? In fact, why do you even think Hapa is scum? The statement that you wanted Hapa to duel came out of nowhere and you haven't responded to Marv.
So far, all you've actually said is that I am suspect because of some words you put in my mouth.
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On February 26 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote:
I will admit, Acro's posting in response to me calling for Hapa to duel is out of place. He disagrees with me, but seemingly still believes Hapa is mafia for his own reasons. It's odd that he feels he needs to cut me off there.
Why? And why are you not answering my questions?
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For the record, Hapa is still only one in a pool of players I think are probable scum. I haven't upgraded my read since my response to Marv.
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On February 26 2013 03:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
The main problem I have with Acro's filter is he rarely comes to conclusions about who is scum. In general the longer his posts are, the less they actually say about his reads. He mostly argues with people and he either doesn't come to a conclusion on his read, or calls them town.
and it does seem weird that hapa is his scum read yet he's unwilling/unmotivated to lynch him
On February 26 2013 03:08 Acrofales wrote:
For the record, Hapa is still only one in a pool of players I think are probable scum. I haven't upgraded my read since my response to Marv.
I am still in full-on analysis mode. It is also night, and unlike most of the tards here I am hesitant about giving out too many reads at night before we even have a day to go by.
However, if you want my main scumread, it's not Hapa, it's you. Your first post was terrible and your play hasn't improved. I know you are prone to rocky starts (lol mason claim), but it's getting to the point I can no longer ignore it:
1. Iamp scum, no town, no scum! For what?
On February 25 2013 19:41 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yeah I think iamp's scum. I can't feel the townie thought process behind his posts and his explanations are short and dismissive. You seem to know him quite a bit better than I do. Please explain to me how this is different from when he's town? His town is similar to this game (i'm not familiar with his scum meta) but in this game, he doesn't really seem to be trying to contribute. He seems uncooperative. Also, I don't like how liberally he's been throwing out town reads, especially when those town reads are backed up by extremely simplistic explanations.
An utter lack of effort has gone into this read. It's a meta case without bothering to actually consider Iamp's meta.
2. The stuff about me: /yawn. Bad reading comprehension isn't a scumtell, but it doesn't help you along.
3. Hapa out of nowhere:
On February 26 2013 02:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists
Look who's the flavour of the day? Hapa! Lets lynch him! Why? Errrr.... wait. There's nothing in your filter about that.
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@Cora and Zarepath: you just got out of a game mislynching Sylencia. Nevertheless, you both seem quite convinced he's scum. What puts his play apart from his early play in NMM 37?
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The Acro might die post
Dying N0 would be pretty crappy, but I assume it's a possibility. I'd say we've had quite a productive start. I have managed to get some decent town reads, and some scumspects.
The Townies
Marv: Marv seems to be pressuring and scumhunting. I have no reason to suspect him for now.
Yamato: I didn't like his early stubbornness, but his reaction under pressure felt townie. He also seems engaged and trying to figure things out.
Cora: the little fight with Yamato gave me a town read on him. His aggression and putting himself in the spotlight felt like his play from NMM 37.
Dienosore: I liked his response under pressure and he's doing his maps. Basically the same as Marv: no real reason to suspect him just yet.
Iamperfection: from what I can figure out he's playing to his town meta. Not entirely satisfied with that play, so slightly more cautious than the top 4, but basically green.
Oatsmaster: same as Iamp.
The nulls
Zarepath: entered the thread a bit late, but had a decent entrance. I don't like the list post, though and there are too few conclusions. Need to see more.
Alderan: entered the thread late. Case on Dieno is not enough either way.
Snarfs: waiting for that excitement he promised.
Adam: doesn't seem to be following his scum meta, but I disagree with his case on Dieno and that's the only real thing he has done this game.
The Scums
Thrawn:
On February 26 2013 03:37 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 03:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
The main problem I have with Acro's filter is he rarely comes to conclusions about who is scum. In general the longer his posts are, the less they actually say about his reads. He mostly argues with people and he either doesn't come to a conclusion on his read, or calls them town.
and it does seem weird that hapa is his scum read yet he's unwilling/unmotivated to lynch him Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 03:08 Acrofales wrote:
For the record, Hapa is still only one in a pool of players I think are probable scum. I haven't upgraded my read since my response to Marv. I am still in full-on analysis mode. It is also night, and unlike most of the tards here I am hesitant about giving out too many reads at night before we even have a day to go by. However, if you want my main scumread, it's not Hapa, it's you. Your first post was terrible and your play hasn't improved. I know you are prone to rocky starts (lol mason claim), but it's getting to the point I can no longer ignore it: 1. Iamp scum, no town, no scum! For what? Show nested quote +On February 25 2013 19:41 thrawn2112 wrote:On February 25 2013 12:05 Acrofales wrote:On February 25 2013 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote:
Yeah I think iamp's scum. I can't feel the townie thought process behind his posts and his explanations are short and dismissive. You seem to know him quite a bit better than I do. Please explain to me how this is different from when he's town? His town is similar to this game (i'm not familiar with his scum meta) but in this game, he doesn't really seem to be trying to contribute. He seems uncooperative. Also, I don't like how liberally he's been throwing out town reads, especially when those town reads are backed up by extremely simplistic explanations. An utter lack of effort has gone into this read. It's a meta case without bothering to actually consider Iamp's meta. 2. The stuff about me: /yawn. Bad reading comprehension isn't a scumtell, but it doesn't help you along. 3. Hapa out of nowhere: Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 02:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists Look who's the flavour of the day? Hapa! Lets lynch him! Why? Errrr.... wait. There's nothing in your filter about that.
In addition, there was no response to this post. It's possible he went afk as a townie, but it came only a few minutes after he asked me a question...
Keirathi: Keirathi is a good town player. His play this game is pathetic. Hence he's scum.
Hapa:
On February 25 2013 22:32 Acrofales wrote:
He *might* be scum, but it'll take a lot more for me to have anything more than a slight suspicion. The things that stand out:
1. His read on Iamp is a bit weird, because I found Iamp's playstyle fairly consistent throughout the game and the one post that suddenly made him have a town read instead of suspecting Iamp was just a continuation from his former playstyle.
2. His defense of Snarfs, because his "post seemed genuine and excited". I don't think anybody is taking offense to Snarfs first post, which I agree sounded genuine and excited. The problem is that if Snarfs was so excited to play, where is he? I would have expected Hapa to understand that and therefore this defense is strange.
But I don't agree with your point that missing the post by Iamp about Snarfs is scummy. Missing a post is just something that happens.
Sylencia: lurking. His 4 posts are non-contributions. I agree with Cora's assessment of the difference between this game and NMM 37. However, him being a lurky newbie gives him a slight benefit of the doubt over Keirathi.
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GG Marv, thanks for your final reads. Kinda sucks that scum gets to kill people on N0 
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