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On March 01 2013 18:22 thrawn2112 wrote: I think there's a difference in conviction. As town he lurks and stuff but will still get down to business. This game he's been pouting, not voting based on scum reads (voting to kill the worse town player, adam over keir) and just not having reads in general. Does anyone know what syl's reads are? (no) there is some stuff recently about cor, and of course he claims adam is scum. but that's it. oh I was reading the thread and this was funny, and true: If I have to assume that both aren't scum (which i'm conflicted about atm) I am taking syl's side against dieno. kinda waiting for syl to show up before deciding if I want double lynch I very much disagree. Look at NMM 34, where he was scum. He was making cases. Not pushing them, but can you honestly say he was pushing anything in NMM 37? To me, his town and his scumplay look exactly the same: a lurker who drops by once a day to make a case and then buggers off again. The only difference in the two seems to be that as scum he is slightly more active. However, with a sample size of 1,there's no guarantee that that is the case, it might just have been the game, or its timing. | ||
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On March 02 2013 00:28 cDgCorazon wrote: @Acro: If you are going to make the same points I am, please just quote me. Thanks. @Syl: If we lynch Dieno, we are going to know his alignment. The problem with finding out his alignment first is that it is going to open us up to a ridiculous amount of association cases between me and you. Do we really want that? I don't think so. @Adam: I don't understand why we are all so convinced there aren't two scum here. It's a huge risk for scum, but if we have 66% or 100% of the scum team here, I think they would definitely need to take a risk as crazy as this in the hopes that we lynch one of them and allow the other one a "clean slate" really. If we are all assuming that one is scum and the other is town, we are all setting ourselves up to be duped by at least one scum player. I really think we need to double lynch. Even if we don't get 2 scum, we send the message that the town is not afraid to cut dead weight and distractions. What points? | ||
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The play doesn't smell of a bus, and the reasoning for "lynch him so you know my alignment" was horrible, but I don't see how he's scum for it. Now all that's left is to figure out whether he's right about Sylencia being scum. | ||
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On March 02 2013 01:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Thread sentiment was against adam at the time where Hapa voted for Keirathi. Why not push adam and try to get him lynched? So unless 3 out of Syl, Dieno, thrawn and myself are scum, someone bussed Keir. Who do you think that is? | ||
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Dieno has been grabbing at straws and it has felt as if he has been trying to not-look-scummy more than contribute to the town. I just really hate the idea that if we're wrong about Dieno and he really is a townie flailing around, then we are stuck again tomorrow with a coinflip on Sylencia. I'll reread both their filters, but unless I find something really new, I think I will also be voting very soon. Syl seems to have gone to bed, although I really would've liked his opinions on some more people. | ||
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On March 02 2013 02:03 Alderan wrote: I'm a little confused. Where are all the people pushing for the double lynch last time? This duel seems like a much more worthwhile double lynch. Where's that push? I have explained this already. Last lynch I wanted a double lynch, because I had a strong scumread on Keirathi, which was somewhat mitigated by Adam going crazy and dueling him, but never really went away. I was torn between thinking Adam's duel was a VERY anti-town move and my earlier scumread on Keirathi, so kill them both. Then later I still couldn't reconcile Adam's behaviour with him being town, so got a bit caught up in my 3P theory and wanted to lynch him for being 3P (and Keirathi still for being scum). This lynch the only reason to lynch both of them is because we cannot decide who is scum. I realize that that is a terrible reason for double-lynching and I should have realized that on D1 before my 3P theory came into play, but I guess my anger at Adam clouded my judgement. So... unless I think both are scum, I am no longer a fan of double lynching, and I agree with Adam that it is pretty unlikely they're both scum. Anyway, I've caught up on Dieno and Sylencia's filter and found nothing new. I am up for lynching Dieno. However, I do still want to hear from Zarepath and Snarfs what their opinions are, so lets lay off on the voting. | ||
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@Cora: what is your read on Dieno and why? | ||
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On March 02 2013 03:30 Alderan wrote: The thing about Acrofales is that in order to believe that he is town, you have to actually accept that he genuinely believed Adam was 3p and that motivated his suspicious actions. Still wrapping my head around it, but he's been pro-town in his discussion as of late and as such shouldn't be terribly high on the priority list, especially with only hours until the end of this lynch. And to believe I'm scum you have to believe that I came up with some crazy screwball theory that drew all the attention to myself to be able to push a double-lynch. And all of that, while it was a bus in the first place which I could have ridden to easy town credit by simply never questioning Adam's scummyness, because I already HAD the scum read on Keirathi. | ||
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On March 02 2013 04:25 Alderan wrote: Dont want to not get a vote in, gonna be gone for a while Why do you feel it's so important that it's your vote? Is your vote more valuable than the next player's? | ||
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You have a few more hours to convince me that Sylencia's play is so completely different from his play in NMM 37 that it makes him scum, even if I believe Dieno is also scum. | ||
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Plenty of players around who are complete lynchbait. Is it much fun to try and figure them out? No. But it's part of the game. Do I have a town read on Sylencia? No. He's pretty damned null. However, Adam is right that scum bussing eachother right now seems unlikely. Particularly for 2 inexperienced and lurky scummers. So as long as I have a scumread on Dieno, I am going to need a scumread on Sylencia to want to lynch him. Null just doesn't cut it. | ||
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On March 02 2013 07:00 zarepath wrote: Hhonestly guys, I haven't had time today to keep up on the thread. I see a really easy Dieno lynch, and before the duel that would have been my inclination, but now I kind of want to double lynch just to be sure. Part of me says that we can't afford the potential double-mislynch, but even then we'd know exactly who to look at from there. And I'm pretty sure at least one of them is scum. We'd know exactly who to look at? Who? | ||
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1. The reads don't add up. Firstly he says he prefers Dieno. Why? He's been after Sylencia's blood all game, yet somehow before the duel started his strongest scumread flipped to Dieno. And something since the duel started has made him less sure of Dieno. It just all seems like a hastily thrown together justification for wanting to double-lynch. There is no reasoning and it doesn't add up with his earlier ideas. 2. "We'd know exactly who to look at from there". Lets say we double-lynch and they both flip town. Honestly, it would rock my world way too much and I have no clue who I'd look at. Except now Zarepath. The whole post reaks of scum trying to justify being absent all day and needing to come up with the vagues possible reason to throw his weight behind a lynch. This is true regardless of what colour Dieno flips. The post just screams scum. It screams "I don't care what happens with this lynch". That is scummy even if Dieno is scum, because with the thread sentiment it's clear he cannot save Dieno. | ||
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On March 02 2013 07:49 cDgCorazon wrote: And I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch? Do you have a town read on Zarepath? | ||
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On March 02 2013 08:47 cDgCorazon wrote: No not really, I've kind of grouped him in with the other two when it comes to their play (especially the lurking). But the fact that you think he's scummy for wanting a double lynch and that I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch is a bit inconsistent. However, you probably have good reasons for it. If you only lynch Dieno are you going to just ignore me and Syl and go after Zare next? If you had read that post you would see that it's not the double lynch I find scummy. It all depends on what Dieno flips. If he flips green I will really have to reevaluate things. Syl jumps back onto the scumlist, but Alderan needs to be looked at with a magnifying glass as well in that case. I haven't made up my mind on Zarepath, but that post was terrible and put him back on the map, after I had a bit of a town read on him yesterday for actively scumhunting. That post was pretty much the opposite of scumhunting. | ||
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