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On March 07 2013 04:11 Snarfs wrote:
You're welcome, town.
Reasoning behind my stances:
a) Adam vs. Keirathi: Same thought process as yamato. By the time I realized I actually saw a decent case on Keirathi it was too late.
b) Dieno vs. Syl: Figured there was no way that with only 2 members left in the team Dieno would pull that trigger that easily and put himself in that position. Again, by the time I actually looked through everything I was already on Dieno's ass and was like, shit, he's probably scum.
c) Over night I guessed Zare + hapa as the 2 remaining scum (on the offchance there were 2 left). I figured it was zare though. In hindsight I should have just jumped in with Adam on yamato for that lynch, maybe got Oats + zare + adam + myself on yamato. I still wasn't sure though.
Overall, my play this game sucked. I basically was an extra town member due to my terrible reads. Sorry scum. Sigh. Am I ever actually going to be town again T_T?
I think you played really well. FWIW I think you're going to be beastmode when you ARE town again because of being scum so much. Mark my words.
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On March 07 2013 05:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't read much of this tbh but what I did was thoroughly entertaining. Dieno for Cutest Scum Eva. I COULD PINCH HIS CHEEKS
SQUID!!!
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On March 07 2013 05:37 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2013 04:11 Snarfs wrote:
You're welcome, town.
Reasoning behind my stances:
a) Adam vs. Keirathi: Same thought process as yamato. By the time I realized I actually saw a decent case on Keirathi it was too late.
b) Dieno vs. Syl: Figured there was no way that with only 2 members left in the team Dieno would pull that trigger that easily and put himself in that position. Again, by the time I actually looked through everything I was already on Dieno's ass and was like, shit, he's probably scum.
c) Over night I guessed Zare + hapa as the 2 remaining scum (on the offchance there were 2 left). I figured it was zare though. In hindsight I should have just jumped in with Adam on yamato for that lynch, maybe got Oats + zare + adam + myself on yamato. I still wasn't sure though.
Overall, my play this game sucked. I basically was an extra town member due to my terrible reads. Sorry scum. Sigh. Am I ever actually going to be town again T_T? I think you played really well. FWIW I think you're going to be beastmode when you ARE town again because of being scum so much. Mark my words.
I do appreciate the words of encouragement 
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Hahahaha what. Everything went crazy last night.
Yeah my play was all over the place this game. I really cant believe you just AFK'd after that great bus Hapa, you had me following you for life after that one.
I wanted to take a more active role in this game, as I said to oats. I spoke to Foolishness awhile ago about my play and he said "reads are OK, just push them more forcefully". So this looked like a good setup to really push my reads in.
If there's any positives, I feel like I dodged every lynch-bait, which is something I have struggled with previously.
I found that I find it harder to analyze the carnage when I'm at the center of it though, I have difficulty telling who's actually legitimately sheeping me or whos scum sitting in my blind spots.
So if Alderan really is town.... where the fk has he gone?!?
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Got skype Adam? We're gonna chat about the game in 2 hours or so.
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I don't have skype but I can set it up, ill see if i can dredge up a mic from somewhere as well.
Reading the Obs QT, id really like Artanis to vacate from inside my head, its quite disturbing. You know exactly what i'm thinking throughout the whole game.
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Yay we won! I think that if this was the real wild west I would probably be high-fiving you all and then give you all a round at the Saloon on me =)
I think Mocsta hit the nail on the head when it comes to how I still feel about playing mafia:
"Cora has been known to say this prior (to me specifically in NMM34)
I am reading him still as a guy who wants to contribute, but is not sure of himself: i.e. his posts evoke much more enthusiasm than confidence in my opinion."
I'm still trying to figure out how to improve my scumhunting game and how to make myself look more town. Basically, I'm trying to find the Corazon that played NMM 34 when it comes to looking townie. I really still suck at scumhunting and default to sheeping when it comes to arguments. It's so hard to be the first one to catch a scum. However, this might be a good thing because if no one is ever going to be convinced of anyone else's reads than the scum will win everytime. It's definitely a learning process, especially with the transition out of Newbie games.
My votes on Adam and Yamato were pretty terrible and were mostly based on emotion, to be honest. I think that was my biggest mistake (jk not saving Marv was <3). There was no reason I should not have looked into Kei and Hapa's filters before voting for their dueling counterparts. It was just being lazy town.
All three of my saves were trying to save people I thought were going to die. I was more inclined to save Thrawn than Iamp N1 because I felt like Thrawn was playing a more active and more contributing town game than Iamp (because Iamp's posting style really bugs me, no offense <3). Unfortunately they decided not to kill Thrawn. Then I decided to save Acro because I had a town read on him for most of the game. By the time I had realized that Yamato was thinking about dueling Acro and that scum would not have killed him because of that, it was too late to save Thrawn. I really don't understand why Adam was kept alive so long because almost everyone had put him down as town in their books. I just thought that Adam was most likely to go because his posts were very well constructed (like Acro's) and the fact that the scum had kept him alive for way too long). Of course I just realized that Snarfs couldn't kill and that I never saved Adam. Makes me feel worse.
I don't think you should be too down about how you played Snarfs. You were probably 4th highest on my scum list, and I don't think that claiming doctor was the best idea in your situation. I think taking an extremely unpopular opinion against Acro would've been enough to reestablish doubt against Acro and let you survive at least two lynches. However, I also thank you for resigning when you felt like there was no chance of you winning. Respect from me for that.
I would also like to commend Adam and Yamato for the great games that they played. As stated in the Obs QT, Yamato did a great job of backing down when necessary, but also continuing to attack when you felt like you were onto something. It's so hard in this game to balance that kind of aggression and I think Yamato did that spectacularly well to the great benefit of the town. Well done!
Adam, in hindsight, your duel with Kei was a great move. When it happens during the game, you think "Wow Adam is an idiot and he's going to ruin the game if he's town". Thinking about it now, it was a great idea. You played mafia in the simplest way possible: Find scum and lynch them. It was a great call to duel Kei and it helped us get on the right foot to start out with. It also forced Hapa to change his gameplan and work on bussing both of his scum teammates.
After you had gotten Kei lynched and had confirmed yourself as town, you put yourself to work very well to help everyone else out. I've been in a couple of games where confirmed townies have basically stepped back and made lazy arguments, but the fact that you continued to think critically and make good posts really helped us out and was invaluable when it came to winning the game. Your defense of Hapa was legit. There were times where I could not answer your points but I could not get myself to vote for Yamato. However, the sign of a good mafia player is to realize that you could possibly be wrong and that scum could be making desperation plays. You took a risk and voted for Hapa, and it worked out for us. Thank you <3
In other words: Adam=Town MVP
Yamato is a close second.
Syl, this is the last time I'll talk about this, but you need to post more. I got a little frustrated at your lack of activity two games in a row (hence the "Won't Back Down" post), and perhaps I tunneled you a little too much. Can you please post more? Please? Or at least play when you have more time, because I can see you being a great player when you post more than once a day. I'll stop tunneling you for it but I'd like to kindly ask you to participate more. Thanks <3
Last couple of points I want to bring up:
I enjoyed the setup. I think it was a fun and interesting take on Mafia (especially the traitor role). However, the biggest problem I had was the lack of any real "pressure". Obviously you can say all you want about dueling someone or killing them, you can't back it up without committing yourself. That, along with no activity requirement, means that lurkers can just sit back and continue to lurk and no one will want to duel them because they and others will see it as a waste of a duel. I think a stricter activity requirement needs to be added (one post per every cycle is what I would recommend) in order to make this game a bit more fun and a bit less of a lurker fest (while not as bad as NMM 37, there were still 3 lurkers and Zare who had missed 3 days or so).
The second thing I would like to bring up with the set-up is that I think the voting deadline for duels is a bit too long. A lot of times the thread became dead because we realized we could not change each others' minds and the lurkers never came in and hammered anyone. This led to us sitting around and talking about who to lynch next, which leads to association cases which are bad before flips. Perhaps either a 24 or 36 hour voting period w/Instant Majority Lynch to speed the game up just a little bit. Besides that, it was a good set-up.
Thanks Marv for the helpful tips that you left in the Obs QT, and I'm really sorry for not saving you. Lack of brain usage there.
I'm glad that this game did not turn out like NMM 36 and 37, which really just drained me emotionally and made me a bit sad in all honesty. It kind of renewed my faith in my ability to play mafia by having at least a sub-par game (which is really good compared to my last 2 shit games).
GG guys! Thank you if you read this far. I'd like to thank the awesome hosts and the awesome players =). I'd be honored to play with you all again and I can't wait to see some of you in Personality Mafia 2 <3. Bye!
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Cora: you looked plenty townie to me. Improving your scumhunting: stop tunneling Sylencia. When you weren't doing that, you were doing just fine.
As for setup, I messaged HiroPro halfway through the game that the duel setup was awesome. I don't feel 48 hours was too long: if we wanted to we could have hammered stuff earlier, but town did well pressuring lurkers to post. I do agree that a post-per-cycle activity requirement was necessary: Alderan just disappeared, which was pretty much the only reason he was suspected: everything else was just circumstantial. That should just plain not be allowed. Other lurkers all met minimum requirements and Sylencia played far better than NMM 37, imho.
@Hapa: I tried adding you on skype, but no clue whether I got the right guy. Are you from Ann Arbor?
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On March 07 2013 08:29 Acrofales wrote:
Cora: you looked plenty townie to me. Improving your scumhunting: stop tunneling Sylencia. When you weren't doing that, you were doing just fine.
But the reason that I looked town to you was because I was tunneling Syl way too much. That's not the way I want town cred. I want to have real town cred, not just a "bad town" read.
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Thought I just posted but apparently not o_o
GG and wp by town, Cora I agree and will be taking a break for a bit from Mafia until I can find more energy to post after work. The last couple of weeks have been draining and all I want to do is sleep lol.
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I probably won't be able to make the skype chat this evening. Have fun! Sorry everyone for going AFK for two and a half days; that unnecessarily confused everything.
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On March 07 2013 09:04 Sylencia wrote:
Thought I just posted but apparently not o_o
GG and wp by town, Cora I agree and will be taking a break for a bit from Mafia until I can find more energy to post after work. The last couple of weeks have been draining and all I want to do is sleep lol.
I'm sorry if anything I said offended you in any way. I say really stupid stuff but my goal in Mafia is to leave it all on the field (or town). I need to work just a bit more on that and I'm sorry if I upset you in anyways. We're all good people whether our alignment says so or not 
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Holy crap being a scumball is hard lol.
Congrats town, you nailed us. Hats off to Adam for having the courage to duel first. Hapa, not sure if your double bus was genius or what put us in the coffin, but it almost worked, so nice try.
Hope to see y'all again soon!
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marvellosity
02-28-2013
11:53 AM ET (US)
/m85 not in the slightest
edit: although perhaps I'm doing yamato a disservice. But I still really don't think so.
yamato gets crazy convinced someone is mafia all the time.
Now that he was right a couple of times in Nomination, it's made him even more disgustingly certain than normal.
I will say this for yamato - he's learnt how to back off his scumreads. Let's hope he manages to do the same here.
On March 04 2013 16:34 yamato77 wrote:
Think about this possiblity:
Acro is town.
I am town.
I thought Acro was mafia, and was mildly suspicious of him for a while.
You dueled someone out of the fucking blue day 1, cutting off all discussion of anyone but you and Keir, who I initially had right. I thought you were mafia mucking up the thread with an easy, quick duel because it seemed premature, BUT I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND LYNCHED MAFIA.
I thought Acro might be mafia again, for some very good reasons. I didn't duel him because of the overwhelmingly NEGATIVE response to this idea. Plus, I really did take my time to consider that Dieno might be mafia, and became relatively convinced after rereading Parallel. Again, I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND LYNCHED MAFIA.
Come to today. I think Acro being town is MORE likely because of his push toward Dieno, and the fact that Hapa looks like lazy fucking scum. I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND AM GOING TO LYNCH MAFIA.
See a pattern here? When I rethink the situation, things become much more clear. You should take a page from my book and consider the game from a different perspective than Acro = mafia.
I SAW THE LIGHT.
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Funnily enough, I reconsidered right after that and we killed mafia.
Thats teeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaammmwork.
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Followed this game but didn't get the obs QT or anything, just from reading the thread I wanna say a big WP to town, some crazy good play and reads, and teamwork going on here.
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Yeah, town did really well. This was my first non-newbie game and it was pretty awesome to see a bunch of non-newbies at work, and it was good to realize how much more I need to learn about finding scum.
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On March 07 2013 22:41 zarepath wrote:
Yeah, town did really well. This was my first non-newbie game and it was pretty awesome to see a bunch of non-newbies at work, and it was good to realize how much more I need to learn about finding scum.
I thought when you were in the thread you did really rather well. Specifically you had the best logic/approach during the Adam/Kei duel (despite various people saying it made you look suspicious, I found completely the opposite). And you made strong points at other times, and at the end when you were in big trouble you conducted yourself very well. If I hadn't known you were just out of newbies, I'd never have guessed it.
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The reasons I was suspicious of Zapa were mainly:
1. Wishywashy list.
2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17915878
Everything else was pretty much okay. At the end it just boiled down to an elimination game. I wasn't looking for a traitor, I was looking for someone one the scumteam... and Snarfs' interactions with Hapa made that very unlikely. That left you and Alderan. Both of you had looked townie to me, but had long bouts of inactivity and no real way of ruling you out based on flipped scum's behaviour, so were promoted to de facto scumspects.
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I didn't find his list wishy washy. Like, you have to put such posts in the framework of other posts. I'd liked zare's contributions on Day 1, and he didn't make that 'list' *in lieu* of other contributions, he made it *in addition* to them.
As for your 2., yeah what you commented on then was definitely his worst post of the game.
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