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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 11 2013 19:30 GMT
#120
Sigh...

/in

No idea how pick your power shit works, but I guess I need to find out eventually
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 11 2013 23:37 GMT
#139
On February 12 2013 08:24 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 04:30 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Sigh...

/in

No idea how pick your power shit works, but I guess I need to find out eventually


<3


If I get assigned you, you're getting Madame Pomfrey LOL
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 12 2013 00:21 GMT
#144
/confirm

Time to put on my creative hat.

Spoiler alert:
+ Show Spoiler +
I don't have a creative hat.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 12 2013 03:02 GMT
#156
To the person that gets my role: I certainly hope you like it. Because I certainly think it's awesome.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 12 2013 18:21 GMT
#169
On February 13 2013 03:16 Keirathi wrote:
Man I thought of an amazing role that I can't use because it only makes sense for one alignment


It's k, greymist also stifled some of my creativity
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 00:10 GMT
#192
Why not RNG vote Dandelion?! ;P

If someone could refresh my memory, does mayor have anything special other than choosing the lynch?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 00:18 GMT
#204
On February 13 2013 09:17 Crossfire99 wrote:
Wait why am I being voted for?


RNG's a bitch
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 00:20 GMT
#206
On February 13 2013 09:18 marvellosity wrote:
1 kinda sounds hilarious. Are we against hilarious?


Hilarious tends to be not so helpful for town, unfortunately =/

Otherwise, #YOLOHILARIOSWAG
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 00:23 GMT
#211
On February 13 2013 09:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 09:21 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 13 2013 09:20 Dandel Ion wrote:
On February 13 2013 09:18 marvellosity wrote:
1 kinda sounds hilarious. Are we against hilarious?

I FIND IT KIND OF UNFAIR THAT THE VOTING FOR THE SECRET VOTING IS NOT SECRET TOO

WHAT'S THE POINT OF THAT


maybe voting for the instant majority lynch should be instant majority


Maybe voting for the mayor should be decided on by the mayor.


I nominate myself for mayor to decide if there should be a mayor.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 00:58 GMT
#231
I can tell this game is gonna make my brain hurt...

Also, if peeps didn't notice, there is a voting thread for this game.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 02:18 GMT
#245
I don't really see any benefit in our role receiver knowing that we made their role.

And yeah, instant voting obv best choice right now.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 02:48 GMT
#248
On February 13 2013 11:27 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 11:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I don't really see any benefit in our role receiver knowing that we made their role.

And yeah, instant voting obv best choice right now.

There's probably not any benefit, but I doubt there's much downside either. The only thing it really does is say "Hey I'm watching you. You better use my role how I intended it to be used."


That's true I suppose. The role I created was kinda just for fun. I thought it was fairly clever.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 03:06 GMT
#254
So now, how does instant majority actually play out (sorry, never played with all these conflabbated mechanics)? It will surely take some coordination and team work, correct?

We will need to make sure we have a good target and then execute together, I assume?
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 03:14 GMT
#258
On February 13 2013 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
It means that whenever a player gets the majority of the votes in a game, that player is Instantly lynched


I was more concerned about the logistics/execution. I understood what it meant lol.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 03:33 GMT
#270
On February 13 2013 12:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Nice try moving goalposts mr oats

unless you have something more to say I think my case stands for itself


I don't really...see a case?

His reasoning isn't necessarily bad, it just differs from yours.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 03:53 GMT
#284
On February 13 2013 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 12:40 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 13 2013 12:33 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On February 13 2013 12:29 Blazinghand wrote:
Nice try moving goalposts mr oats

unless you have something more to say I think my case stands for itself


I don't really...see a case?

His reasoning isn't necessarily bad, it just differs from yours.


Look, think about your thought process as a townie when you evaluated the three options. You probably rejected the Secret Ballot out of hand barring some weird circumstances because it takes information away from town, then you thought about Mayoral and Instant Majority. Thinking about the strengths and drawbacks of both, you'd note that Mayoral elections produce a different kind of discussion than lynch votes (not necessarily better or worse) and the actual vote itself tends to be about who says they'll use the lynch on whom and who you have a town-read on. Instant Majority sounds dangerous but actually buts the scum under a lot of pressure assuming nobody gets dumb and jumps the gun on the hammer.

But what you don't think about, and I'm certain nobody town aligned thinks about as a main reason not to use mayoral, is the possibility of making a scum player mayor. It's a risk of mayoral, but it's not the reason you wouldn't run it-- after all, if what the mayor does is pick who gets lynched, picking a scum player to be mayor isn't a huge risk. We're not giving powers to the scumteam, and in fact, having a scum under that spotlight could be very helpful to town. From a townie perspective, which any townie will have, you probably want instant majority because it's simple and lets you lynch someone. You want your vote to do something and you want to put pressure on the scum. You don't reject mayoral because a scum might get elected-- this might actually be the best outcome short of a townie get elected and lynching scum. You reject mayoral because instant majority is better and gives you more power to hunt scum.

Oats came into this giving reasoning that comes from a mindset not of townie scumhunting, but of scum shirking responsibility and blending in, and thinking fearfully.

I thought this was pretty obvious, guys

While I see where you are coming from, I did actually think about electing scum as a mayor being a big downside to Mayoral vs Instant.

For one, it is immensely difficult to tell the difference between a town mayor lynching another townie, and a scum mayor lynching a townie. And for two, its much harder to hold people accountable for their votes in an 'everything-goes-wrong' mayoral election. Mayoral elections tend to turn into "Follow the vet" more than "elect the towniest person in the game".


This.

Just because YOU (BH) may not have been thinking about electing a scum mayor, it certainly crossed my mind.

I've never played a game where having a mayor was a choice, only ones where we were forced to pick a mayor. In a couple of them, scum was elected, and it has turned out badly for town. So yes, that is something I thought about.

I don't get how "adding another angle of thought to something" = "HOLY SHIT THIS GUY IS SCUM"
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 04:48 GMT
#302
On February 13 2013 13:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Oatsmaster, most people who have played with me extensively are aware I'm very active and aggressive as both scum and town, and am highly prone to shenanigans as any alignment. I won't comment as to my own guilt. Experience tells me I will do too good a job of prosecuting myself, and convince you that I am guilty - or else you will decide that my prosecution was too half-hearted, and that I am scum. I will remark only this in my defense - that I have never been mislynched as town, and get lynched all the time as scum.


Is that a challenge?

##vote BlazingHand
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 04:58 GMT
#308
On February 13 2013 13:51 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 13:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On February 13 2013 13:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Oatsmaster, most people who have played with me extensively are aware I'm very active and aggressive as both scum and town, and am highly prone to shenanigans as any alignment. I won't comment as to my own guilt. Experience tells me I will do too good a job of prosecuting myself, and convince you that I am guilty - or else you will decide that my prosecution was too half-hearted, and that I am scum. I will remark only this in my defense - that I have never been mislynched as town, and get lynched all the time as scum.


Is that a challenge?

##vote BlazingHand

Teehee, I like you already :D

(Just don't remind me about Dwarf Fortress.)


No clue what you're talking about... *cough*
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 18:16 GMT
#430
On February 14 2013 01:07 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 01:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Good afternoon gentlemen, I hope you're all well

I've been reading everything while at my internship, and this comment caught my eye:

On February 14 2013 00:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
And no, the first job of a townie is to establish his own innocence. As you should know.


Justify this, because that's the last thing that a townie should be worried about imo

I agree with Dandel. Having amazing reads is good and all, but the reality is that most of us mere mortals are wrong as often (and sometimes even MORE often) than we are right. Proving that you are town is way more beneficial to town as a whole than any individual day's reads.


And see, to me, that's a bit odd. Dandelion expresses how important it is that townies establish town cred (which I personally somewhat disagree that that's not necessarily #1, but that's a whole different discussion) and yet he has done nothing at all in my mind to try to establish his own townieness.

If anything, his behavior thus far has led me the other way.
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 13 2013 20:30 GMT
#447
On February 14 2013 03:43 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 03:16 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On February 14 2013 01:07 Keirathi wrote:
On February 14 2013 01:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Good afternoon gentlemen, I hope you're all well

I've been reading everything while at my internship, and this comment caught my eye:

On February 14 2013 00:06 Dandel Ion wrote:
And no, the first job of a townie is to establish his own innocence. As you should know.


Justify this, because that's the last thing that a townie should be worried about imo

I agree with Dandel. Having amazing reads is good and all, but the reality is that most of us mere mortals are wrong as often (and sometimes even MORE often) than we are right. Proving that you are town is way more beneficial to town as a whole than any individual day's reads.


And see, to me, that's a bit odd. Dandelion expresses how important it is that townies establish town cred (which I personally somewhat disagree that that's not necessarily #1, but that's a whole different discussion) and yet he has done nothing at all in my mind to try to establish his own townieness.

If anything, his behavior thus far has led me the other way.

I did not say I did.

Has anybody filled your personal little criteria of "establishing townieness" yet? Cuz I don't think so.



Not at all. Some people are appearing townier in my mind, but as far as I'm concerned, you're all scum until the day I die.

I just find it interesting that for someone who is parading around the fact that town members should try to establish townieness first and foremost, you sure ain't doing any of that. Do as I say, not as I do, I suppose...

Also, I would like to point out that since Blazinhand challenged me and I voted him, and Dandelion picked up the assault on Oats, BH has all but fallen off the face of the planet.
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