On February 16 2013 03:12 Hopeless1der wrote:First off, back to Zessionar
##Unvote: Yamato77
##Vote: Zessionar
Here's why I find his initial vote, and the follow-ups scummy:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 07:38 Zessionar wrote:
##vote: risk.nuke
he has a 26,66 % chance to flip scum.
Its not supposed to be random (I Think?), but theres still a statistic there. Also, that statistic is NOT 4/16 like it should be, its 4/15, which assumes Zess is town. (Super)
soft townclaimPeople assume it was a joke, yet its followed up by:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...
When I have the
audacity to be like "wtf u doin bro?"
Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 08:45 Zessionar wrote:On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...
i maybe exaggerated a bit...
And I kind of just left it to see if anyone else gave a shit. I don't buy that it was a complete joke, which is why I brought it back up later. I asked him how exaggerated things were, and he replied:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 22:32 Zessionar wrote:On February 14 2013 22:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...
Zess, how exagerated was this statement? You immediately backed off, but I'd like to hear about where you drew the conclusions that risk was
A) decent as scum
B) Useless and paranoid as town
Either of the two would be acceptable, as I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification.
both statements were exagerated, but I know what I am talking about.
Still alluding to the notion that he has reasoning for his "joke" vote. It's not like I'm not the only person who voiced concern about this either:
Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 00:34 marvellosity wrote:On February 14 2013 22:32 Zessionar wrote:On February 14 2013 22:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...
Zess, how exagerated was this statement? You immediately backed off, but I'd like to hear about where you drew the conclusions that risk was
A) decent as scum
B) Useless and paranoid as town
Either of the two would be acceptable, as I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification.
both statements were exagerated, but I know what I am talking about.
one other thing. clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. if people call you up on your bs, going "but... i'm right" funnily enough doesn't make you right.
I don't think you're mafia right now, but don't pretend to be something or somebody that you're not.
His response to marv, regarding risk being "decent scum" is complete bullshit. Why would a townie ever fabricate that? Am I actually that dense that I completely missed the humor here? There seemed to be little if any reason for jollies.
He finally "explains" his vote...
+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 00:58 Zessionar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 00:41 marvellosity wrote:
risk has played 2 games of mafia where he literally lurked all game and was finally killed because he hadn't done a single townie thing all game. This is not "decent" at mafia.
Similarly, he can be quite perceptive as town. Your anaylsis and justification for voting him are just nonsense.
hahaha, i just wanted to say something nice along with useless and paranoid...
quite perceptive... yeah i dont think so. risk used to be like vivax. he didnt read, but kept posting derailing stuff.
And his explanation is called out as nonsense:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 00:58 Zessionar wrote:On February 15 2013 00:41 marvellosity wrote:
risk has played 2 games of mafia where he literally lurked all game and was finally killed because he hadn't done a single townie thing all game. This is not "decent" at mafia.
Similarly, he can be quite perceptive as town. Your anaylsis and justification for voting him are just nonsense.
hahaha, i just wanted to say something nice along with useless and paranoid...
quite perceptive... yeah i dont think so. risk used to be like vivax. he didnt read, but kept posting derailing stuff.
So... you voted for him because you think he's bad at town and bad at mafia? That makes no sense
If he's bad at mafia then he's catchable, and your entire reasoning is nonsense.
Come clean please
Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 01:03 Zessionar wrote:
where are you going with that shit, marv?
do you want to make me look bad because of my super-earlygame posts?
screw you.
discussion ends right here.
and he moves to just sweep it riiight under the rug.
This ends why I find his initial vote scummy
Moving right along, Zess comes in with this fantastic plan:
No, wait not that one...that ended in burgers.
Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 04:32 Zessionar wrote:
and get your useless votes away from me. i am town and i - in contrast to everyone who voted me - will be able to prove that with my reads.
This one? hmmm maybe not.
Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 23:04 Zessionar wrote:
Okay, we have about 9 hours left if i am correct:
2. ObviousOne Filter
4. Mattchew Filter
7. HiroPro Filter
10. Hopeless1der Filter
11. Artanis[Xp] Filter
13. yamato77 Filter
14. grush57 Filter
15. layabout Filter
in the next 5 hours, i want everyone to focus on these players. I know it's half of the players in this game.
One of them will be lynched today.
in 5 hours, we will break the list down to 4 of them and in 7 hours i want only 2 of them left and in 8 hours, i want to have one guy with enough votes for a lynch.
that's my plan. Marv, toad I expect you to be helping me there.
Oh here's the one. Wait, this is shit too, wtf is going on here?
This "plan" has no justification as being useful or necessary. It also lets Zessionar just sheep into the town's choices since it was his list to begin with. I don't need to be corralled into consolidation. Do you?
Consider his "speed" analysis':
+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote:2.
ObviousOne Filter: 1 page
this game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397206&user=263107old VT day1 game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=263107he's really only trolling this game. He was playing much more serious in his last game.
either blue or scum. makes no sense as VT -
trolling newbie players that are VT are definetely playing against their wincondition.
He stays in the lynchlist.
4.
Mattchew Filter: 1 page
Vivax I think I underestimated your actual abilities and underestimated your confidence... These lead to a misguided read on you... I don't necessarily agree with how you've started this game but I'm leaning a little more null on you... Revealing supersoft is pretty towny IMO too.
"is pretty townie"
i'd like to hear why this is pretty townie tbh.
I don't know why he's buddying up with vivax.
Mattchews playstyle makes no sense to me so far. He has no goal... But well could be game specific...
He should stay in the lynchlist for now
7.
HiroPro Filter: 1 page
"Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was."
This is kind of townish. As scum i don't really want to remind marv of his secret target...
I'd let him off the hook for today :-/
I mean his mostcount surely looks terrible but everyones post count looks terrible...
10.
Hopeless1der Filter
Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 22:21 Hopeless1der wrote:On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...
Zess, how exagerated was this statement? You immediately backed off, but I'd like to hear about where you drew the conclusions that risk was
A) decent as scum
B) Useless and paranoid as town
Either of the two would be acceptable, as I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification.
the whole discussion about my game-starter-vote on risk seems to be so exagerated from my point of view...
I think it was obvious, that this vote had almost no deeper meaning... Maybe it's my fault that people put too much thinking into this... I think accusing me for that randomvote was the perfect situation for scum to look like contributing.
don't know if hopeless is just bad and didnt see how unimportant that whole thing was, or i am bad that i put too much effort into explaining something, that had no explanation in the first place or he's scum...
"I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way."
hmmm i don't like that very much... it's so weak. These votes on me are just terrible.
I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb.
Everyone who does a little research knows, that i get shot early as town... but whatever. It's just sad, that many players do no research about their favourite lynchcandidate. I mean a bad case should be a scumtell, because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases.
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first four players... speedanalysis...
He very quickly dismissed HiroPro. Why not do this beforehand?
He barely even reaches a conclusion about me, but there's a problem in there too:
Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote:
I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb.
Everyone who does a little research knows, that i get shot early as town... but whatever. It's just sad, that many players do no research about their favourite lynchcandidate. I mean a bad case should be a scumtell, because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases.
I don't give two shits about you getting shot early, ESPECIALLY in a game with marvellosity, sandroba and syllogism as your competition for the "who eats the first bullet" contest. Trying to pass this off as conclusive proof of township, or at least unlynchability is in my eyes a very scummy manoeuvre to belittle his attackers.
A brief interlude into meta, from Dessert Mini Mafia:
Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:28 supersoft wrote:On January 13 2013 09:22 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 09:19 MrZentor wrote:
It wasn't even a smile...
Question what would you call it :o
Circle face? Surpised face
I like a dafaq? face what you think Z XD
Okay announcement:
Don't talk about pointless SHIT!!!scum loves to talk about pointless stuff. Do when the game is over. Right now we're playing the game and we're not in some kind of off-topic thread!
FOCUS!!!Don't let this game end in a mess like the Kurumi game!
Pointless shit, say for example: mccurrywurst?
I don't see useful contributions coming out of Zessionar. His vote is no where to be found, and I have no idea where its going either:
Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 16:58 Zessionar wrote:
You need like one page of text for your argument which is:
Zess is throwing around votes for no reason, that leads to an environment where everyone votes for no reason.
But I really only did it very early on, where votes obviously mean almost nothing. And I did it to get the game going.
The phase of fooling around, to get the game going is over now.
##unvote
and hell yes i am noncomittal because it's fucking day1 and i have enough time left to take a stance.
If I want to lynch marv or anyone else, you will notice and i won't vote anyone (from now on) for no damn good reason.
your case against me is completely pointless, because all that doesnt make me scummy.
However, if you were to skim Dessert, where he's so proud to have caught the 3rd-party SK, he has no problem whatsoever in telling people they're scum, check if you don't believe me.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955&user=64722¤tpage=AllLimited source, but there are some similarities between that filter and EmileZola's filter (WBG+SS Smurf-Hydra) in Normal IV:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&user=296899¤tpage=AllEspecially the lists of reads, and the overall aggressiveness, which is something sandroba picked up on already in this game.
EPT
