On February 16 2013 06:46 sandroba wrote:
I don't have the time to look into him, but if you think that's the best place for my vote I'll do it. Be quick though.

I haven't looked at him enough either, I think it's risky for you to move your vote right now though if we don't even know that we have the votes

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 22:15 GMT

#718

On February 16 2013 07:13 Vivax wrote:
grush, get back on the Zess lynch please. It's a bit too short-term too care about nuke imo, it's probably just going to shit up the lynch.

I would lynch you over Zess, so you may want to also look at yamato and possibly toad. There are at least three people who won't be voting for zess.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 22:39 GMT

#737

On February 16 2013 07:31 Vivax wrote:

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I'd like to hear your own reasons for believing I'm scum. Cause I'm not.

Yamato is roughly in the same category as Oo and matt for me on the activity side. His reasoning when called out looked like he pulled it out of his ass and he quit responding to people afterwards, doing a similar thing to Zess: first posting his scumreads then justifying it with something rather random, but him not being around at deadline to discuss lynches gives me reason enough to vote for him. Can't say I'm convinced though given the low information I have on him as compared to Zess.

You haven't cared much about the game so far and were absent. That's about it. Meanwhile some aspects about Zess's play look a bit towny and in general I don't think Zess/super is a smart lynch today. Thus if I have to choose between the two of you, I would go with you.

Anyway, we have 20 minutes left so you should be ready to move your vote when necessary.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 22:51 GMT

#766

There isn't any reason you to be alive either, ever. Thanks for showing up right before the lynch

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 22:53 GMT

#777

On February 16 2013 07:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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Or because scum saw an easy wagon on an inactive Yamato that's playing outside of his usual meta, an easy push to get away from candidates that are currently scum. That the wagon is bad to me suggests he's more likely to be town.

Who is the mafia then? Zess has been the main wagon for most of the day and it still took forever for yamato wagon to go anywhere. At this point this lynch doesn't really feel like a mafia lynch either, but it's still better than killing supersoft, who isn't null.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 22:56 GMT

#785

Yamato at 8 votes, Zess 6. Someone vote Yamato or we nolynch in 4 minutes

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 22:58 GMT

#798

You are nolynching grush+marv

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 23:04 GMT

#814

Yawn

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Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 23:22 GMT

#850

Marv, you never quite articulated why you were so against the Yamato wagon. Thinking that he is null is fine, but the null read doesn't seem very consistent with your play. You were willing to sheep Sandro on Toad, but not on Yamato. The last minute switch makes you look better, but even as mafia you can never be sure whether a bunch of people are about to last minute switch as well.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 23:23 GMT

#852

Anyway our vigs, if any, shouldn't get any smart ideas and shoot anyone who has been active. Go for the ones who have been and will be non-entities.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 15 2013 23:56 GMT

#890

On February 16 2013 08:55 ObviousOne wrote:

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Can you take a picture of the options so I can pick which you eat later when you are proven wrong?

So which one do you think is town, Vivax or Coag?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 16 2013 09:57 GMT

#918

Here is a timeline of how voting developed. As we get more flips, make sure to come back to this and add the alignment information in. If Zessionar is town, as seems likely, it was extremely tempting for mafia to vote for him, withhold or waste the vote. I don't think Yamato lynch ever looked like a foregone conclusion, especially if mafia wasn't paying close attention to the thread and what a few people were saying.

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17 hours to lynch
yamato77 (5) - Zessionar, Vivax, HiroPro, layabout, Hopeless1der
HiroPro (2) - Coagulation, marvellosity
Zessionar (2) - Artanis[XP], yamato77
marvellosity (1) - WeWinMafia
Coagulation (1) - grush57
Not Voting: ObviousOne, Coagulation, Mattchew, Zessionar, risk.nuke

4 hours to lynch
Zessionar (4) - yamato77, Vivax, Hopeless1der, grush57
yamato77 (3) - HiroPro, layabout, WeWinMafia
HiroPro (1) - Coagulation
marvellosity (1) - Zessionar
WeWinMafia (1) - Artanis[XP]
Vivax (1) - marvellosity
Not Voting: ObviousOne, Coagulation, Mattchew, Zessionar, risk.nuke

2.5 hours to lynch
Zessionar (4) - yamato77, Vivax, Hopeless1der, grush57
yamato77 (4) - HiroPro, layabout, WeWinMafia, syllogism
WeWinMafia (3) - Artanis[XP], sandroba, marvellosity
HiroPro (1) - Coagulation
Not Voting: ObviousOne, Coagulation, Mattchew, Zessionar, risk.nuke

1h 15 minutes to lynch
Zessionar (6) - yamato77, Vivax, grush57, ObviousOne, risk.nuke, Artanix[XP]
yamato77 (4) - HiroPro, layabout, WeWinMafia, syllogism
WeWinMafia (2) - sandroba, marvellosity
HiroPro (1) - Coagulation
Not Voting: Coagulation, Mattchew, Zessionar, Hopeless1der

25 minutes to lynch
yamato77 (7) - HiroPro, layabout, WeWinMafia, syllogism, sandroba, Zessionar, marvellosity
Zessionar (5) - yamato77, Vivax, ObviousOne, risk.nuke, Artanix[XP]
HiroPro (1) - Coagulation
Vivax (1) - Hopeless1der
risk.nuke (1) - grush57

10 minutes to lynch
yamato77 (8) - HiroPro, layabout, WeWinMafia, syllogism, sandroba, Zessionar, marvellosity, Hopeless1der
Zessionar (6) - yamato77, Vivax, ObviousOne, risk.nuke, Artanis[XP]. grush57
HiroPro (1) - Coagulation

3 minutes to lynch
yamato77 (7) - HiroPro, layabout, WeWinMafia, syllogism, sandroba, Zessionar, Hopeless1der
Zessionar (7) - yamato77, Vivax, ObviousOne, risk.nuke, Artanis[XP]. grush57, marvellosity
HiroPro (1) - Coagulation

Final
yamato77 (10) - HiroPro, layabout, WeWinMafia, syllogism, sandroba, Zessionar, Hopeless1der, marvellosity, risk.nuke, Artanis[XP]
Zessionar (4) - yamato77, Vivax, ObviousOne, grush57
HiroPro (1) - Coagulation
Not Voting: Mattchew

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 16 2013 10:15 GMT

#919

On February 16 2013 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Did you make this image on your cellphone?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 16 2013 12:17 GMT

#929

Yamato voted Zess very early on and not in a way that suggests it was a bus. Indeed, a few people justified their yamato votes with his evolving explanations as to why he was suspicious of Zess. In addition, Zess was the only wagon besides yamato that gained any traction, even though it would have been quite trivial to push a bunch of other wagons. Zess's anger/disdain towards the people who were voting for him also felt genuine; it's quite difficult to fake something like that convincingly.

If you are town you ought to spend your time elsewhere for the time being as it's completely irrational to focus on the day 1 counterwagon to a mafia lynch, in particular with the votes this close.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 16 2013 12:47 GMT

#940

On February 16 2013 21:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll look at my own preferences, yours are clearly flawed.

Syllo, who should I be looking into again?

Use your own judgment, but obviously the people who weren't willing to vote Yamato look worse. Still, it feels like there should be at least one mafia on the yamato wagon and it's pretty unlikely for the whole mafia team to be among people who aren't even playing (grush,coag,obviousone,mattchew). I'm thinking that one of the people I'm leaning town on right now is mafia.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 16 2013 13:43 GMT

#959

Ideally the medic should rng between two people, perhaps sandro and me since we are both pretty much confirmed town by this point. In this situation trying to actually stop the kill is better than "guaranteeing" that a certain player survives the night. Frankly I'm not overly fond of the idea of having to play the game for possibly several days and if the medic is locked on me there is no way mafia will risk targeting me.

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 16 2013 14:05 GMT

#964

Vivax' posts have felt pretty genuine post-lynch, I don't think he is a good lynch tomorrow

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 16 2013 19:16 GMT

#1028

Mattchew are you going to start playing at some point, your filter is pretty attrocious

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 16 2013 19:45 GMT

#1030

ObviousOne could you explain more detail why you had a town read on yamato? Who else did you think was town?

syllogism

Finland5948 Posts

February 16 2013 20:08 GMT

#1032

He is active and seems to care, I don't really want to put in the effort right now to look into him in more detail as he doesn't seem like a priority.