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On February 16 2013 10:29 warbaby wrote: For reference, here's geript's case on Mocsta. Would this be enough to elicit a defensive kill? Geript has a point. While geript's early vote on me was odd, but why did Mocsta immediately jump on board? His other points about Mocsta are basically part of what I was talking about last night. Mocsta was being really pushy and manipulative D1, which I extend to a meta case based on his scum play in XXXV. Anyway, I'm not going to go on another Mocsta witch hunt, it would be tunneling. I just want to bring highlight this now that we have info from the OO flip. | ||
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On February 16 2013 10:59 cDgCorazon wrote: I don't think it's enough to elicit a defensive kill for certain, it certainly was an attack on Mocsta. I think it's too hard to tell for sure without going into a whole lot of WIFOM. However, I think that Warbaby's own criticism in Mocsta's play "being manipulative and pushy D1" can't be place as part of his scum meta. He acted exactly the same in XXXIV as town. He got massive amounts of confirmation bias and really put the town in an atmosphere where it was his way or the highway, which led to several mislynches and let a lurker scum (Sylencia) slip by and win the game without really taking any pressure. I think Mocsta's game has been half old Mocsta, half new Mocsta. At times he has been very patient with people and let others play the game as well, but at other times he has tried to be the mayor. While I do not enjoy an inconsistent game out of anyone, I'm not too fond of Mocsta's aggressive side (I locked horns with him about 85% of D1 in XXXIV). I'm happy with the patient Mocsta I have seen, and I'm really just trying to stay out of his way and play my own game. However, he is trying to intertwine himself with me a lot. It's suspicious, but it's obviously not enough to say he is scum. So if this isn't a good explanation for the geript kill, what is? I'm feeling some confirmation bias from you here. You think Mocsta is town, so you are quick to write off evidence that might suggest the opposite. | ||
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On February 16 2013 15:02 cDgCorazon wrote: Why do you think I proposed the question to everyone if I knew the answer? I really don't. His biggest read was me. If I had killed him because he was on the right track, why would I be bringing attention to it? I don't expect you to have an answer, but I expect you to be willing to accept one proposed by others. As for the latter question here, I can WIFOM right back at you and say, you'd do it just so you could use it now as town cred. As you can see, the fact that you brought it up is an entirely null point, as it could be an honest play or a leveling move and there's no way to know. You need to step up your play. Being confirmed town doesn't mean you can sit here and tunnel. Whereas I put out a question to facilitate some discussion, you are just trying to point everything back to me. I don't know what you mean by step up my play. Are you accusing me of not trying? The majority of my experience playing mafia is in real life where using cues in context and wording of what people say has treated me very well. Its not the same way most people play online, sure, but I its the way I think I can help town most. Do you think I'm just mailing it in because I'm confirmed town or what? This isn't the first time you've brought this up. I never said I thought Mocsta was town, I said that I could not find any huge differences between his town and his scum play, and that I was trying to avoid him. You are trying to put us together, when in fact besides our votes for Glurio, most of my actions have been either from my behalf of the behalf of someone other than Mocsta. The reason I posted that actually was to point out how silly it is to call confirmation bias on people's arguments so often. It seriously applies to half the things people say. You throwing it around willy-nilly is in my eyes detrimental to the town. I propose a question to you: Who is trying harder to associate themselves with the other, me or Mocsta? I don't have an answer to this question and frankly I don't care given the information or lack there of that we have right now. I don't think there's anything to be gained from a discussion of it right now either. | ||
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Since i'm most likely to die tonight wanted to post some thoughts. Cora, mocsta and wb are all scum reads for me. (Don't give wb extra credit juat cause i didn't badger him as much as others.) Sn0 and zare seem to be acting pro town to me. The rest are lurking too much and deserve to be pressured for it. If n1's rb claim get's more attention don't forget those can be manipulated my scum and should be seen as null. There's probably lots i'm forgetting, but i'm busy and need to go. Hopefully i'll see you all on the other side of the day post. | ||
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On February 20 2013 12:14 cDgCorazon wrote: Literally, your one contribution to the game was getting the sk in your blue role. The rest of your game was spent tunneling me. I almost asked the host to IP test you and Geript because you two were making the same exact argument, the same one that I had refuted 1000 times and yet you still pushed me on it. When you finally told me that my actions "weren't justifiable", it was ridiculously pissing me off because you kept pushing me on the same thing and gave me no room to scrutinize your argument or even to defend myself from it. In your eyes, I was only scum, and that's a terrible mentality to take as town. You really just claimed tracker and once you had the SK you sat around and threw geript's arguments at me. You refused to even give him credit or admit that they were the exact same arguments that Geript used. I was about to make a case on you because it looked so obvious that scum TS would've killed Geript and made it look like they were killing someone on the right track. The fact that you were confirmed town both nullified the case and made me frustrated that the only thing you decided to do in your power was tunnel me. I'm not going to sugarcoat this: It's shit play. You just basically took the fact that you were 99.9% confirmed town to sit there and make shitty arguments. Had you not claimed, I would've pushed for your lynch. I'm not going to keep arguing with you over this, but you're still putting words in my mouth that I never said. On top of that you're still accusing me of things that are easily contradicted from reading what I posted. Its clear that you and I just can't seem to communicate with each other with any effectiveness. | ||
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On February 21 2013 12:33 geript wrote: No offense to either side, I though Mocsta was scum off and on. Sure he got most of a free ride in that almost nobody questioned him or his motives. But that's not his fault. Part of the problem in the game IMO was that nobody questioned the direction of the town at almost any point and Mocsta abused that all to hell. Part of becoming a better player in every game is learning when to question game state. When the most active/loudest voices persist, you really need to ask yourself why they're persisting. Are these people who are being manipulated? Are these people who are actively leading the town to bad decisions? What's the purpose for scum leaving them around? Sure you might argue that's all a circumstantial case, but the cumulative effects of being wrong and loud add up to something. Personally I was very surprised when neither Cora nor Mocsta wanted to discuss cases day 2 as that seemed very anti-town. I was surprised when nobody put them on blast for it. I was actually kinda mad dying night 1 as I felt like I was going to be building momentum to steal the shared mayor position from Mocsta/Cora and get the town headed in a more effective direction. I was also mad at myself for not sharing my suspicions of Mocsta even if I couldn't find the case I wanted to make on him. I called Cora out for that D2, but all he did was tell me to stop repeating your case even though nearly all my points were unrelated. The fact that no one backed me up probably caused me to be too quick to drop it all. That and the fact that we were actually just going in circles since Cora didn't really seem to respond based on the content of my post, but just reword his last response every time. I guess next time I need to insist that this is scummy more? I don't know that that would have helped though. :/ | ||
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