On February 14 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: I was roleblocked last night.
Im taking a break; thsi is seriously fucked up
(1) Who did mafia actually target? (2) 2nd hit: Vig hit or SK hit; (3) Your RB; town JK or scum RB?
too much WIFOM for me.
Be back later when head is cleared.
Still have some time for a possible Vig to check in. I'm surprised there wasn't a claim given there was an hour window during which night actions were being put through, but that might just mean they're not able to respond yet. Going to have to assume SK if there isn't a claim in the next 24 hours.
How do you think we should deal with the SK? I see you are ogling WB for it and he's gotten lots of attention already. Do you want to just lynch him and remove all doubt, or is there a way he can make it back to the green (or even just null) side? I feel I might be one of the few voices who wants to see what he can do before making a decision on him, particularly given how much time he spend defending yesterday.
On February 14 2013 10:24 Sylencia wrote: Ok if anyone can tell me I'm not crazy:
Someone made a post about Vig shooting on night 1 and saying they were an aggressive poker player and even that was too much of a gamble for them.
If someone could help with finding this post I would be grateful.
Also for point 3 Mocsta: - Town JK: Since I'm being seen as scum, might've chosen me to block a shot but why would the scum team ever choose me to shoot in that spot, since everyone is already looking at me. Unless they thought I was a framer, this seems unlikely. - Scum RB: Sn0 was saying he suspected me as being either blue or scum. Knowing I'm not scum, they could possibly see that as being the best shot at hitting a blue and running iwth it.
That's how I see the RB.
There's a history of "people who like to discuss blue roles tend to have blue rules" here on TL mafia that I have seen. We can't read into it too much unless someone outright claims it or it is revealed at endgame, but there's one possible reason you were RB'd but not NK'd.
On this topic, why the two people who actually were killed? WoS had some suspicion on him from a few of us not long before the deadline, and geript was suspicious of WoS... I'll take a look through their filters for the next project. A wise man once told me that dead townies filters get largely ignored and dead scum filters tend to get over-analyzed, so I'm going to see what I get from looking at them, see who their suspects were, where their votes landed, what they said after lynch, etc.
On February 14 2013 10:40 zarepath wrote: I don't understand how geript is a good target for either an SK or a Vig, but I've never played with an SK. Geript wasn't exactly a lurker, and of the bottom 5 contributors, he was a head above the others, imo.
The only solution I'm willing to accept is that scum avoided killing WB to let the town hang him instead. That's about as far as I'm going to speculate about it.
I read through Sevryn's filter and the only thing from it I can hold against him is the vote on Glurio and possibly concern for the replacement of 9-bit. Sevryn also seems well-equipped to scum-hunt so I will keep an eye out for his case(s).
I shot WaveofShadow. I thought he was scum. I couldn't get a good read on him based on D1 and I felt it would give me insight into his back-and-forth with Corazon and thus more information about Corazon. Haven't looked yet at Corazon in light of the flip but now that it's out, you know where I was going with it and why I mentioned it earlier.
I don't believe in breadcrumbs (as you can see in the case of Zarepath, they aren't exactly invisible) and from what I've read/experienced in normal games, breadcrumbs are a good way to get yourself killed with a power role.
I also didn't want to give scum a chance at finding a confirmed town for tomorrow so I just kept quiet.
On February 14 2013 11:35 ObviousOne wrote: Well, fuck. There goes my shot at staying null.
I am Pops the Doorman and the Vigilante.
I shot WaveofShadow. I thought he was scum. I couldn't get a good read on him based on D1 and I felt it would give me insight into his back-and-forth with Corazon and thus more information about Corazon. Haven't looked yet at Corazon in light of the flip but now that it's out, you know where I was going with it and why I mentioned it earlier.
I don't believe in breadcrumbs (as you can see in the case of Zarepath, they aren't exactly invisible) and from what I've read/experienced in normal games, breadcrumbs are a good way to get yourself killed with a power role.
I also didn't want to give scum a chance at finding a confirmed town for tomorrow so I just kept quiet.
On February 14 2013 11:17 TestSubject893 wrote: A is unlikely for the following reasons. ObviousOne said himself that a Vigilante should have checked in ahead of time, making it unlikely that that is his role
On February 14 2013 10:23 ObviousOne wrote: Still have some time for a possible Vig to check in. I'm surprised there wasn't a claim given there was an hour window during which night actions were being put through, but that might just mean they're not able to respond yet. Going to have to assume SK if there isn't a claim in the next 24 hours.
On February 14 2013 10:23 ObviousOne wrote: Still have some time for a possible Vig to check in. I'm surprised there wasn't a claim given there was an hour window during which night actions were being put through, but that might just mean they're not able to respond yet. Going to have to assume SK if there isn't a claim in the next 24 hours.
##Vote: ObviousOne
You just fucked up majorly Mr.SK
Who else but me as vigilante is able to speculate on the existence or absence of a vigilante so confidently? I knew nobody would speak up since I was responsible for the kill, and if anyone had dared I would be an instant counter-claim to it.
Well, don't let your conviction that I'm SK or scum somehow stop you from scum-hunting. Vote for me if you feel it's necessary but meanwhile there's still a game to play here. Going into the Corazone to see what I can conjure up.
You sure you guys don't want any more help, then? If I'm the SK you have a guaranteed not-scum lynch putting you that much closer to MYLO/LYLO with no real information. I mean, I just want to know if I can fuck off if you're not going to read any more cases for me. If you will read them, they will come.
On February 14 2013 11:59 ObviousOne wrote: Who else but me as vigilante is able to speculate on the existence or absence of a vigilante so confidently? I knew nobody would speak up since I was responsible for the kill, and if anyone had dared I would be an instant counter-claim to it.
Then WHY WOULD YOU LET TOWN ASSUME THERE'S AN SK???
On February 14 2013 12:11 zarepath wrote: Is that an offer? In exchange for another day of life, you'll kill someone we tell you to?
You should probably judge that based on the evidence I dredge up, and not on me making promises for kills. After all, if people are decided that I am SK I'm not exactly sure how to refute that except to keep doing the job I'm supposed to be doing as town, as I have advocated others to do as well.
On February 14 2013 12:14 zarepath wrote: And here's another thing -- you might not be SK. You could easily be mafia, the one who carried out the scum hit, and the SK hit geript.
That's pretty easy to judge based on what I bring to the thread and how successful I end up being ousting mafia.
Look at it this way, you either have to take me out now because of your suspicions that I am SK at the risk a faster loss with two town lynches in a row, meaning town play MUST be very successful (town CAN come back from two town lynches in a row) - or - You can wait til you find the three scum with my help and if the game doesn't end you just straight up hang me on the spot.
I used to be good at math, and while I'm not as good at it now, it's pretty certain that at the very least I can't afford to shoot another town member at this point so you guys better choose wisely. I can be a dead sociopath, or I can be your mercenary sociopath. Both suck for me, but one lets me have a whoooole lot more fun than the other.
Just the thought of you guys wielding me as a weapon and the scummers shitting their pants makes this whole reveal worth it.
Except for that whole roleblocker thing, if that's a scum-side ability (don't fucking claim it if you're town), which could shut me down right quick. Then again, that leaves mister tracker free to snoop around.
On February 14 2013 14:55 Sn0_Man wrote: The problem with lynching him is that it is an easy lynch that generates no discussion and gets us no closer to finding scum.
So for now,
##Vote: ObviousOne
Umm I don't see why you can't vote him off later...?
I just wanted to kill someone with my newfangled power.
As for how to play it after the tracker claim I really just winged it. I'm not the best of liars and didn't read the OP super well replacing in nor did I do any setup speculation based on my own role. Really think it could have gone differently without Test's claim but as they say, "They say it don't be like it is, but it do".
EPT
