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On February 13 2013 04:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
Pressure voting someone who clearly is not playing the game is a waste of your vote and an excuse to slink into the shadows, as Sn0 said. Why are you trying to pressure someone who is obviously not going to respond? It's a waste of time. People will make their first post without being pushed. Trying to push someone to make their first post is simply wasteful.
That vote was very early in the game. I thought it might trigger a post out of an anxious player. It's odd how people felt that was an okay thing to do at the time and 24 hours later I'm getting tons of flak for this. Where were you guys yesterday?
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On February 13 2013 04:08 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 04:01 Mandalor wrote:On February 13 2013 02:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Regarding Mandalor, voting a lurker with more than a day left to lynch is a safe vote, not a pressure vote. Its a "well now that my vote is down I can go back to hiding and only change it if I need to" kind of vote. Admitting that it is a "pressure vote" also defeats the purpose (as Sylencia has pointed out). Town care about their votes, as votes are (generally) the only power they have. Scum want their votes to give away as little information as possible, to cheapen the very concept of a vote. It should be decently clear which of those two things random "pressure votes" are. Including some of the ones you have thrown around too.
If you didn't feel like my vote is a "safe vote" and attacked me for it, I would've never said that its purpose is to pressure lurkers. If you have a problem with the vote itself, fine. But when you ask me about or attack me because of it, I'm gonna have to give an honest response. Pressure voting is totally fine and a decent power, but here it is you who defeated its purpose. ##unvote Why cave so quickly when under such weak pressure? To me this looks like you found a quick out to change your vote to a 'better' target later on in the day.
waitwaitwait
I'm getting attacked for a pressure vote that's not pressuring and when I remove it (it's not working as intended obv) it's a quick out? Please take a step back and think about whether keeping the vote or removing it would be the smarter thing to do.
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Right now, I would vote Sylencia.
His response so far hasn't changed anything for me concerning his odd behavior with warbaby. WB never soft-claimed anything - yet Syl gives us this odd post saying he's most likely vig or scum. That is the opposite of helpful for town. I can't think of a use for this information at this point in the game. Elimination surely can't be it when we don't know any role yet.
That combined with his uncharacteristic (I think? at least have that in my mind) lurking (yeah yeah I know, but I have posted more here than I did in any game yet) makes him my top scum read for now.
If nothing big comes up that will be my vote for tonight (will probably have to vote in 4 or 5 hours and call it a day).
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Alright, I'm gonna have to go to bed. My vote will go to Sylencia.
I could have sworn the OP said deadline would be 2 hours earlier when I signed up, but now I won't be able to be here at deadline.at least some of the days.
It's not news to me to be suspected early (or the entire game really), but I hoooope that this time I'm not gonna die in my sleep, again.
My reasons for the vote in short:
*lurking
*no reads at all (except his read on warbaby being scum/vig)
*useless (imo, apparently others can find a reason I suppose) bantering about possible roles
Other than Syl, warbaby started to look a little weird to me. Maybe it's just him suspecting me a little, but:
After I wrote some stuff on Sylencia, he comes up with a short "case" on Syl and later calls my opinion on Syl "not exactly breaking news". Funny, considering Syl has been his only read for a loooong time now and he was very late to the party.
But I'm unsure about WB (and apparently I completely missed the soft claim so many seem to see) and I'd rather go for an uncharacteristically quiet player for now.
##Vote: Sylencia
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Because there's still two hours left for him to change his vote and I can't?
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Okay I'm back and debating with myself whether to /out. I'm working very very late hours right now which I absolutely didn't expect. I've managed to catch up with the thread, but that's about it. I don't have the time to make a compelling case right now and I'm not even sure if I could.
I still think my vote for Sylencia made sense. I knew I couldn't get you on board since I wasn't here for deadline and was/am under scrutiny anyway, but I was against voting anyone other than my top scumread. It would really help if town votes a little earlier and doesn't wait till the last minute. That gives people time to explain themselves and us to consolidate.
Lastly, I would like to adress zarepath's analysis of me.
On February 14 2013 04:10 zarepath wrote:Zarepath's Readsby ZarepathMandalor + Show Spoiler +
Mandalor's filter looks very scummy. Every other post is a list, the main thrust of his case on Sylencia has to do with blue talk, and the case for his final vote is not compelling at all. He just drops a random vote and checks out, doesn't even wish town luck. (To be fair, I did something similar because of time and RL constraints.) People's reactions to my vote on Mandalor were that they had town reads on him, but I'd like to ask you all what specifically makes him look town to you, because I don't see much. Reads SCUM
I invite anyone to look at my filter and then look at this sentence. I made one list that I was asked for. If anything, zarepath's filter is a ton more list-heavy than mine. Make of that what you want.
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On February 14 2013 05:40 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:31 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 13 2013 08:30 Mandalor wrote:
Because there's still two hours left for him to change his vote and I can't? Why are you expecting him to change his vote? In my opinion, WB is kind of locked into Sylencia because it's the only person he has really targeted... @Mandalor: Could you please justify your vote being with someone you were suspicious of. Please and thank you.
I'm not making connections before a flip. Despite my suspicion, WB might be anything.
Also, as I said, he voted early and had two more hours to change his vote while I was asleep. And he did.
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I don't quite understand zarepath's logic this game AT ALL.
I can't see how Sn0's reaction was any different from the others, including mine. Yet, for some reason, he excludes him from the "scummy" reactions. NOONE was super eager to go after him except warbaby maybe.
I still think post 6 was weird and I only really commented on that.
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On February 15 2013 00:44 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 00:31 Mandalor wrote:
I don't quite understand zarepath's logic this game AT ALL.
I can't see how Sn0's reaction was any different from the others, including mine. Yet, for some reason, he excludes him from the "scummy" reactions. NOONE was super eager to go after him except warbaby maybe.
I still think post 6 was weird and I only really commented on that. What other things about my play do you see as illogical?
I've already commented on how you see my filter as list-heavy when there's a single list-post. You either tunnel me really hard or you follow a certain agenda.
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On February 15 2013 00:42 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 01:33 Sn0_Man wrote:
Regarding the WaveOfShadow case, I see some merit there but I'm still not here to lynch posting players unless more comes up. I agree with Mandalor about what part of the case is compelling. Unprompted soft AND hard town claims with some fairly stupid follow up excuses. It's not as scummy because he doesn't want him lynched today. Scum would hope for a mislynch. It's not like he's super critical of the case, but it's not as eager as the other people.
yeah but where's the difference to all the other reactions except warbaby's. Noone jumped on your case and said "LET'S LYNCH HIM".
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Could you please just ask me questions?
I don't know what to say really. I know I've been inactive for real reasons but I actually had time to read the thread for some time now. Other than voting for OO which is the only option to do now, I have nothing to say. There hasn't been any real insight in the last post in my eyes.
His whole buddying up with me ("Mandalor has the tools blabla") sounds more like scum to me than SK, but either way it's a good choice.
Honestly, I don't know what to say at this point. Please ask me questions. I'll be here for another hour and I'll be back in another 11.
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wait I didn't actually vote
##Vote: ObviousOne
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##Vote: No-lynch
I'll be explaining myself tomorrow. I am now the IT security branch at my company when we were four guys last month. Also my girlfriend of 4 years kinda broke up with me.
I have tons of stuff to do and this game, sadly, has to be at the bottom of my agenda.
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On February 20 2013 03:06 zarepath wrote:
My new policy lynch is to policy lynch Mocsta.
I said that pregame, should've listened 
I'm sorry I gave you all such a poor game. What I said in the thread was true and I asked Acro for a replacement actually (he couldn't get one).
gg anyway, and wp by my scum buddies.
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