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he scum | ||
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Very quick reading makes me want to lynch cheescake, snarfs, prplhz maybe phagga or yamato So I'll leave my vote on prplhz | ||
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On February 08 2013 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I AM WILLING TO BET MY LIFE THAT PALMAR IS MAFIA. a) betting is illegal b) I don't actually want you to die so maybe you should reconsider. | ||
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I'm not plugged well enough into the game to be willing to hard defend JX, but what little reading I've done doesn't seem to indicate he's scum. I would hope you guys can settle for an alternative lynch. | ||
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Can kill me if you want to. | ||
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My idea was actually that simple. I wanted to remove any power from the mafia's hands by simply random lynching on their days. In a normal game we would have to deal with mafia night kills anyway. In this game that power is removed from them. They do however get a complete opportunity to manipulate the lynch on every even day, which is obviously hugely in their favor, it's not as strong as a simple kill, but their numbers make it very much viable. Remember that if one of the three targets is scum, the mafia certainly has a clear plan in mind when they nominated that person. If they want their buddy lynched, they probably have more than one mafia in the pool of candidates, hell I even considered pregame to suggest a triple mafia pool on day 1 if I rolled scum. If they want their buddy in the pool as not to clear townies, yet not lynched, they would present someone they're confident will not be lynched. My entire idea was to simply remove all this wifom from the game, just randomly lynching into the three people nominated, making the mafia unable to scheme around their educated guesses on how town views each player at the moment. I'm not sure we should go through with this, now that I am part of the pool, but oh well, I wouldn't object too loudly if we did. The Hero I'm not the hero town needs this game. I have stated on multiple occasions that mafia is all about investing time into the game. I have not invested enough time in this game to be worth what some of you perceive my value to be. I am at best a middling town player this game. There should be no reason to keep me alive unless you think I'm town and think I can provide further contributions to the game. I am town and I will do my best to make up for my lack of presence this game. Even my town read on JX I wasn't sure enough in to actually do anything about his lynch (not that I could have...). I cannot change this game if scum is already winning, which they could be. I however think we have a chance to win, but only if we clear out some mud, relax about today, don't get too caught up in arguing which random townie (since I really think we're all townies) we allow the mafia to take. I'm not a hero, but I am part of town and I can help you the best I can. The Future Today is irrelevant, we lynch one of us in slight hope the mafia is being a bit silly. I need to re-read mochsta, but based on effort alone he's less likely to be scum than Sloosh. Sloosh is a good player but meh, his turnaround on yamato looks at least like the thought process of a townie. He basically backed off after seriously going after someone based on further evidence, which at least shows an attempt to look like he's actively molding his reads instead of coming in with notions of how he must play. It's tomorrow that's important. Tomorrow is when we actually have to hit scum. It should not be overly difficult, there's plethora of easy choices that I like. I stand by most of my reads from day 1. Djodref and Jay fall into kind of a grey area and I really need to re-read them. Also I'm annoyed VisceraEyes hasn't assumed the leader role in town more than he already has. Not sure what it means but maybe I need to look at him. prplhz still seems somewhat scummy and so do phagga/snarfs/yamato. I'm way behind on reading and it's hard to find the motivation to actually spend a lot of time reading knowing how far behind I'm in the game. I'm probably going to pick more superficial suggestions this game, but I'm going to make some good points at least. Expect more before the lynch. | ||
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Given the fact that people will always think I might be scum, me being lynched is actually not a terrible outcome. | ||
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On February 10 2013 11:58 Mocsta wrote: palmar So you are motivated enough to actively lurk and respond when mentioned. But not motivated enough to provide your own highly regarded thoughts and reads? If as a townie u keep saying "tis OK. Lynch me" why bother to respond in the first place? Fact: I can't confirm/deny if your motivations are low. What I do know is that this setup allows for a pro town townie to NEVER be lynched or killed. I still don't get why highly regarded players (such as yourself and others) have not stepped up. This nomination mechanic is better than bodyguards. Hence i find it is peculiar it is not being taken advantage of... My previous games have nothing to do with how I play this game and active lurking is not a scumtell unless you apply it correctly, those are just some future pointers for you in mafia. Anyway, I will be voting Sloosh, I don't think he can be scum so I'm not too concerned if it's me who dies. Whichever faction you're playing for at the moment Mocsta should not have to worry about losing you based on your pure effort put into the game alone. | ||
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Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows. I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least. I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short. Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum: On February 07 2013 22:48 yamato77 wrote: What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town: On February 08 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote: Regardless of the JX flip I think Palmar is claiming mafia to us with that last post about the lynch. And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote: I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good. prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. Examples: On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote: But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote: @VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote: Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night?  Anyway, more later if I have time. | ||
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On February 11 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote: I would be disappointed to find out this was town Palmar, but I suppose it wouldn't be surprising. If that's the case, I guess it was three townies, and I was wrong, but I'll talk more about that and what it means tomorrow. You already know it's wrong! | ||
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Hell, if mocsta is scum, the day 1 slight pressure against him would probably discourage them to put him (of their 4) up for a lynch today. I'm almost certain not a single one of us is scum, and if I have to die, that's okay with me. The less I hear from VE the less I like his chances of being town. He kinda looked alright initially but I don't like how little he cares that we're in some trouble here. We'll be in serious trouble if we fuck up tomorrow. I don't think Sloosh is scum, and I don't think the rules allow us to no-lynch (as that would be broken beyond belief). Therefore I'm voting him by process of elimination. Other people have come to the same conclusion except with me as the target and well... whatever. ##Vote slOosh | ||
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On February 11 2013 07:25 jaybrundage wrote: Palmar you never answered my question. Do you want to play this game. If you actually wanna play I think town would be fine lynching Mocsta or SlOosh instead. But the questions remains do you want to play? I think my recent contributions should be an answer enough for that. I am reading the game and I want to play, but I don't think I can claim I will carry the game, I will simply actively contribute thoughts and analysis that is slightly less accurate than normally because of how day 1 went down for me. | ||
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Snarfs, Yamato, VE, prplhz should be considered for ze lynching. | ||
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