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On February 13 2013 01:40 yamato77 wrote: Phagga, if that's the best you can do to discredit prplhz, I am not impressed. He is townier than you by a long shot.
*facepalm*
that was a general comment. I was not discrediting prplhz. The comments about him were just an example.
And why are you never answering my questions?
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Cheese, I generally like your case. Some points I disagree, mostly the first paragraph after the spoiler, because I felt similar about a Palmar lynch D1. I was null on snarfs earlier, after your analysis he is an alternative for me. However, I feel more sure about Yamato.
Yamato, you are either scum or them you do not know my alignment. My vote stays where it is for now.
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Oh wow you are answering.
Why did you withold your reads in Dawn?
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On February 13 2013 03:38 yamato77 wrote: You mean before day 2 or during day 2? Before should be obvious. During, I withheld my reads because I didn't want to get swayed in my choice for the lunch based on people agreeing or disagreeing with reads that I made public beforehand. I did as Sloosh suggested and let the nominees take the forefront of the discussion. Yes, I meant Day 2. I even found the post from sloosh you reference, I understand now.
This, and the bolded part here
On February 13 2013 02:40 yamato77 wrote: By that I mean I think I covered why I switched my read on Mocsta. I don't think a mafia player would go through the effort to make a case on me like that. It's far more likely for him to be town and think me mafia for attacking him than him being mafia and coming up with enough shit to throw at me to make me look bad for attacking him. My meta read was weak anyway, so it wasn't important for me to continue to bog down the thread with long responses to him just to get a better read on him.
If you have anything else, consolidate it into concise points, and I will respond equally concisely later.
is enough for me to
##Unvote: Yamato77
for now.
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On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote: You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird. Sloosh, since your vote is on VE: do you think snarfs is not scum or VE is the better lynch?
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On February 13 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mocsta, I at least think you have some reason here. What say you to snarfs lynch?
I have no idea what the scum rationale is supposed to be for this supposed mislynch anyway. Scum would have bussed VE so fucking hard, hit there heads on the ground doing so. Why would they buss VE harder when he is scum then when he is town?
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On February 13 2013 07:34 slOosh wrote: phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs?
Dude, I might do the deciding vote here, I just want to be sure it's the right pick.
That said, snarfs is a lurker, for whatever reason. VE had stuff in his play that just did not make any sense from a town perspective. Let's lynch VE.
##Vote: VisceraEyes
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On February 12 2013 11:09 Mocsta wrote: Snarfs: One thing in Snarfs favour is early game I asked for his read on a post from VE. Even though he already voted VE, he said the tell was "null".. This at least shows he is not 100% tunneled in his approach. I think Snarfs problem may have been he pushed his scum reads before establishing his innocence.
Mocsta, the bolded part does not really make much sense for me, could you please explain this in more detail?
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You know what, fuck it.
##unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Snarfs
let's lynch the scummy lurker.
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On February 13 2013 07:56 slOosh wrote: Lol what the crap is that phagga?
I can't say, the VE lynch feels wrong. Snarfs has gone for too long and his actions don't make sense from a townie point of view. VE seems sincere in his last posts after my case (not the ones he's capslocking), but his scum play can be pretty good too I think?
Fuck, I don't know what I should do.
I need a break. be back in 10.
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Ok, I'm back. I'm good with a snarf lynch. My vote stays where it is. I'm confident he will flip scum.
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On February 13 2013 08:23 slOosh wrote: You were also confident about VE flipping scum. What changed?
It's mainly my intuition. Some of it has to do with his last posts after my case (like this or this, he is making a lot of sense.
Afterwards, the more I reread my case and notes, the more I got the impression that what I felt was scummy behaviour were minor points that were not all that important in the overall play of VE. And I felt that although he was not the towniest player by far, he was posting stuff that made sense.
I really have a hard time explaining it right now. I just tell you this: I normally don't follow my intuition, I try to follow the facts collected in cases by me and others. However, I've misslynched more than once like this, and ignored people that I felt were scummy but could not get the hard facts on. I'm doing it the other way round this time.
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I'm off to bed. cu you guys tomorrow.
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yay 
Gonna reread and lurk a bit until tomorrow. Also, I'll be going to the cinema on valentines day with my wife and some friends, so my activity will be restrained to work times.
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Good job giving scum hints on who to nominate.
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On February 13 2013 19:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Good job at looking like scum phagga
Of course, because there is no way a townie would switch his vote when he feels he is about to misslynch. A townie should always stick to his cases, no matter what new posts his target has written and no matter if he is going to misslynch or not. /sarcasm
What you fail to see is that my actions can also be explained by town motivation, not only by scum motivation. Some of you guys have some much confirmation bias by now towards me that you are unable to see this, you only see the possible scum motivation and scream "SCUM! SCUM! SCUM!".
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On February 13 2013 20:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Of course, cause there is no way scum would switch their vote when he feels that it is suspicious if he keeps going for it, and since there is no traction for the other lynch.
you are completely missing the point.
So Phagga, who is scum?
I'll tell you tomorrow when Dawn is over.
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- Because I don't want to give mafia hints on who to nominate - Because I need to reread D3 after what happened
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If people starting posting their updated reads now, it gives scum a good idea who is generally viewed as town by other townies and who might still be under suspicioun. This might influence their nomination. For Example, they might try to pick the townies with the most influence, and when they see our scum reads (or even town reads), they have an easier time choosing the right targets.
Another example, Mocsta saying that I'm scum if I'm not up for nomination. If mafia thinks that Mocsta is someone with influence on town, they might not nominate me because they hope that he might push a misslynch on me. Which also makes his post sort of a self-fullfilling prophecy.
I know I'm making some assumptions here, but there is no reason to give this information out now. Activity will be rather low today. Also consider that the reads of several people might have changed after yesterdays events. Let the mafia be in the dark about who we see as town and who as scum, so they have a harder time to damage town with good nominations.
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Some reads might be the same, yes. And as I said, after yesterdays events, some reads might have changed. There is a reason why several people stated they want to reread.
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