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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 11 2013 19:33 GMT
#1121
Really ... nothing on VE huh ...
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 05:43 GMT
#1221
On February 12 2013 14:39 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2013 14:28 Mocsta wrote:
On February 12 2013 14:17 yamato77 wrote:
So, Snarfs is not a good lynch because you're making association cases again?

I need better than that.

What about his play suggests town to you at all? He's tunneled VE all game and done shit else.

If the problem is that you view VE as mafia, I can address the points Sloosh raises against him some time tomorrow, but I want you to filter Snarfs and think about his alignment first.

I already said with snarfs.
I think he made his case on ve too early instead of establishing innocence and that was why he cops grief.


I think his case on VE was just an excuse to do nothing else that day.

I think his play day 2 shows a complete lack of interest in town's affairs, because it didn't matter to him who died since they were all town.

I think even his play today shows how little he cares about interacting with town and actually hunting scum, because he just comes in, plops down some reads and then AFKs.

He SHOULD get flak for this kind of play, because it's scummy.

What makes him scum and prplhz town?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 22:19 GMT
#1266
You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 22:30 GMT
#1276
On February 13 2013 07:24 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote:
You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird.


My town read on VE is based on scum like Snarfs wanting to lynch him. VE is weird, I'll give him that. Scummier than Snarfs? No fucking way, not in a million years.

Lynch Snarfs, he'll flip scum.

SlOosh, I actually think you're town. So tell me why we should lynch VE over Snarfs. Snarfs is 10x scummier by comparison.

I'm actually doing a full reread right now to be objective as I can. VE has been actively scum, in the sense that twisting the situation and misinterpretation are actively scummy things to do. As I understand it people view Snarfs scummy for calling out VE and not doing anything else - in essence a lurker type scum.

There are much less town explanations for someone actively misconstruing situations etc. than it is for someone who isn't doing as much as you would expect.

But yea, I'm doing a reread now and will come back with what I find. The fact is everyone started posting D3 and it is very convoluted, so D1 D2 information will serve as very good sources of evidence, especially given the newer Palmar flip.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 22:34 GMT
#1279
phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 22:45 GMT
#1292
Dude, just because you can see it clearly doesn't mean we can. You have a unique perspective that I don't. I'm not totally biased against VE, otherwise I wouldn't bother rereading, because I'm wondering if this is a repeat of Normal Mini II or not.

There are things in VE's filter that I really really dislike. I also have a huge problem with phagga's reluctance to vote and prplhz' continued lurking.

If you can't tell I'm not that confident so you need to dialogue with me. Convince me, because I'm willing to be convinced.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 22:50 GMT
#1300
VE, please, don't do this again. You know how that ended up.

A scum team of Snarfs, phagga, prplhz and Oats makes unbelievable sense. For me to believe that, it means I have to read you town. I'm doing the best I can. It's been a long time since I've rolled town, I missed a huge portion of D1 because of real life and I'm not as confident as I normally am.

Like ... I dunno!
And I'm dead serious about this. If it gives you ease of mind

##Unvote: VisceraEyes
##Vote: Snarfs
##Unvote: Snarfs
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 22:56 GMT
#1305
Lol what the crap is that phagga?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 23:01 GMT
#1309
Yea that's his point. That as scum you wouldn't do a 2 for 1 trade. He is dead serious in the spotlight and it's incredibly hard to back off from something like that.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 23:03 GMT
#1312
On February 13 2013 08:00 prplhz wrote:
I don't particularly care about this lynch though

Yes, because town is in such an awesome position that we are choosing between two scum candidates, and scum aren't doing anything about it.

By virtue of phagga and prplhz,
##Vote: Snarfs
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 23:05 GMT
#1316
On February 13 2013 08:02 Mocsta wrote:
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On February 13 2013 08:01 slOosh wrote:
Yea that's his point. That as scum you wouldn't do a 2 for 1 trade. He is dead serious in the spotlight and it's incredibly hard to back off from something like that.

that went over my head

not even sure who you are responding to

Mr. Cheesecake is spearheading this Snarfs lynch HARD. He is putting in tremendous effort into getting this lynch through. The idea is that if he is scum pushing for a mislynch, this will backlash on him hard, and with his flip VE will get nabbed as second scum too. That is what he is talking about in that prior post about giving up his left nut. Not a end all deal, but it weighs in his favor.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 23:07 GMT
#1320
I don't think jay is scum.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 12 2013 23:23 GMT
#1326
You were also confident about VE flipping scum. What changed?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 13 2013 00:17 GMT
#1336
Ok, just finished a full reread.

VE, I apologize to you first. I was so immersed in my phagga case and was so disturbed that you totally dismissed it. You are correct in that you have been on Snarfs & prplhz from the beginning. I admit it - I can't read, which led to my misinterpretation of you and then vice versa the cycle. (similar thing happened in ... that WBG game where we nailed scum 3 days in a row ... not that it's relevant but whatever).

Mr. Cheesecake, you are a boss. I am wrong and you are right and I'm sheeping you all game because I am not as good as I thought I was. I rescind my town read on jay and my scum read on Oats. Too good. MVP right here.
On February 11 2013 11:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm convinced that at least one or both of Phagga / Snarfs is scum. Prphlz is kinda up there, but I want him to pressure me first so I can see if he's British-Yamato scummy or more town. Jay came off so scummy trying to derail that lynch and deem everyone on the wagon was scummy for voting Palmar. Made me giggle on the inside. Top 4 right thar, 2-3 scum in it.

Don't think Yamato / VE be a good lynch today. Yamato I don't see as that scummy, VE I see as more of as ez scum target because he's just not living up to his full potential. He's 'slippery' as SlOosh put it, but my top scumreads all want him dead which irks the fuck out of me.


slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 13 2013 00:27 GMT
#1340
Eh ... I guess I still have a lot of confirmation bias to deal with.

Phagga smelt like scum and I didn't like that you waived it, but that's probably because I didn't address your Snarfs case first (I guess I missed it or thought Snarfs was right at the time or something).

Also apologies to Oats. You are not daft, I just can't see scum that well.

Ahh ... what a game to go down into the annals of TL Mafia~
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 13 2013 00:28 GMT
#1341
But yea, seriously this rereading stuff is great. That's my lesson for this game. Take time to reread, even if it means you can't post as much as you would like to.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 13 2013 00:37 GMT
#1344
Whole doc is vastly superior, since
1) Some posts are in direct response to something but don't quote it (so it's a bit more confusing)
2) Most importantly, it allows you to read the flow of the game in chronological order, especially concerning player's interactions with each other
3) Maybe this is psychological, but I felt more objective when reading the doc, which is key. Stepping back to get big picture.

Yea ... and not to bias you or anything but I really dig Mr. Cheesecakes' scum team. You can see how they interact with each other. Not that it's valid until you get some flips going, but at this point I've invested enough time into the game for it to click in my head. Oh, and I also could be wrong, so ... yea. Rereading is great!

slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 13 2013 00:38 GMT
#1345
Oh, yea I suppose. It would be very foolish and humiliating to start celebrations and then end up losing because of arrogance. Excited to do this with you guys. I guess I'll do some homework now and come back at the deadline.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 13 2013 02:04 GMT
#1352
The best piece of information from this is understanding how D3 played out and people should check that out.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
February 13 2013 02:27 GMT
#1365
On February 13 2013 11:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2013 08:03 slOosh wrote:
On February 13 2013 08:00 prplhz wrote:
I don't particularly care about this lynch though

Yes, because town is in such an awesome position that we are choosing between two scum candidates, and scum aren't doing anything about it.

By virtue of phagga and prplhz,
##Vote: Snarfs


So you think that Prp is scum slOosh?
And what is your read on phagga

Yes - I was being sarcastic in that quote. My read on phagga since the earliest beginnings of the game was and is scum.

On February 13 2013 07:34 slOosh wrote:
phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs?

The answer is because they are probably scum.
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