On February 20 2013 19:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
So debears.
Real quick
2 scum reads
2-3 line reasoning.
GOGOGO
Jay, of course, my reasoning in my filter
You, Oats are second on my list. I found you town after your debate with Mocsta, but since then your play hasn't been such.
stuff like this
On February 20 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok everybody.
Top 2 scum reads.
And quick summary on why they are scum
If you dont do it, its a scum tell.
For me
Jay:
Scum.
He doesnt care who is scum, his sheeping off Palmar to make a horrible case on yamato which doesnt say why he is scum at all. Then he doesnt care to follow up at all.
he seems too proud that his town meta is sheeping people and he is self deprecating.
Djo/Debears
Scum
Djo did the really really bad RNG idea for lynching and thats pretty much ALL his contribution before he replaced.
Debears also seems to not really be involved in the game, like he has no convictions in his reads.
1) You are using the play of a player who trolled with a RnG lynch, then afked after being worthless, when his scum meta is very active and invovled (Djo that is), as a scumread on me
2) "no convictions in his reads". That is a straight up lie
+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2013 01:53 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually,
##Unvote
##Vote: Debears
What do you have to say about Jay pushing VE incredibly hard? He pushed VE hard with no case written on VE at all by himself. He just suddenly decided "hey, VE is totes scum". You don't find that weird after he wrote about yamato? + Show Spoiler +On February 11 2013 13:02 jaybrundage wrote:YAMATO Cause Palmar said so WELP HERE WE GO Well first of all there's this Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much. Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows. I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least. I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short.
Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum: On February 07 2013 22:48 yamato77 wrote:
What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town: On February 08 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote:
Regardless of the JX flip I think Palmar is claiming mafia to us with that last post about the lynch.
And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good.
prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. Examples: On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote:
But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote:
Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night?  Anyway, more later if I have time. Lets start from the top Yamato wants to lynch Mocsta as quite a bit of people viewed Mocsta scummy at first Oats naming one and i know he had about 3-4 votes at one point in time. However when Mocsta actually writes up his defense Yamato completly back tracks. And chalks it up to Mocsta misunderstanding his case? Yamato thought Mocsta was scum it wouldn't be misunderstanding it would be him twisting words. And then Yamato just flips it around and calls Mocsta town later. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:
Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?
I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff. Ok So here Yamato comes full circle in Mocsta from hes scum to idk to yea hes town. And get this then Yamato calls JX scummy for calling Mocsta scum when a short while ago. Yamato was going after Mocsta with a pick axe. Also note his need as scum to want to kill Palmar ASAP. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. Here he just becomes unreasonable demanding a JX lynch while not even listening to alternatives Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote:
If someone other than JX gets lynched today I will afk. The sole reason he wants to go after people now is lack of activity. He legit with all the information we have got from two lynches is gonna do a lurker lynch is he fucking srs? Yes lurking can be a tell of scum. But to use it alone as who you decide to kill at this point in the game is just a easy scum route. Also look at the people that he's defending VE prlhz the exact people that Palmar and Sloosh are going for. Also keep in mind his one track mind to want ot lynch Palmar. We have SCUM Yamato here. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. ##Vote Yamato Then, there's jay's refusal to lynch snarfs. + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 13:23 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I don't care if you don't want to lynch Snarfs. You want to lynch me,1 which means you're an idiot.
Palmar did play bad this game. I have no problem saying that. Just because he flipped town doesn't suddenly mean his reads are 100% correct. I happen to know they aren't.
So what are you doing to do tomorrow when I flip town and mafia puts up three more town players and then it's mylo, huh? Go around sheeping Palmar's reads then? How is that productive for town?
Your case is just an extension of his, which I already addressed. I've addressed all of the main points I could find against me. If you don't believe me, 2 I don't care, because right now I really don't even want to play in this game. People aren't even reading my posts. 1 Hey last game I was scum I used attacks on Bugs to rile him up and make him not think clearly. Nicely done. 2 Stop using emotional bullshit to try to pull out a response from people. Also you refuse to find a second candidate. WTF is this? If your town then start looking. Snarfs is not gonna be killed today. I have said this like three times and you refuse to answer. WHAT'S YOUR SECOND SCUM READ What was his reasoning for not lynching snarfs??????? + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 11:56 jaybrundage wrote:Snarfs: I thought snarfs was scummy for a bit. But with my change of read on VE and the way snarf was pushing VE since day 1 I have come around on him also the fact that the people who are voting him are in my scum team makes it so I think that he's a mislynch that scum is pushing. My last comment on him was to many scum want him dead and its true alot of scummy people are pushing him as a mislynch. Yamato is still a scum candidate. I'll give more thoughts on him later. I want to see his posting and what he plans to do because so far its been jack shit. The reasons you stated are the exact reasons they are probably scum. CC has sat under the radar. He hasn't been pressured and he hasn't done anything. His flipflop on yamato is also scummy as hell. Oats as well he started off decent too many people gave him a pass on his conversation with you. Since then he hasn't contributed to the town at all. Show nested quote +Mocsta said
Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter.
Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch. You like that logical fallacy thing eh. Well ill use it against you.  Show nested quote +Mocsta said Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion. If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop. Show nested quote +appeal to authority You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not. That guy Palmar... Ill give ya a secret
He's an expert Also just so you note. Oats was on Palmars town list. I do take his reads seriously but I don't mind branching out either. Was his town read on snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play? Hell no. It was an association, based on no flips, based on a couple votes on snarfs. WHY DID JAY NOT MENTION ANALYSIS OF SNARFS PLAY IF HE HAS SUCH A STRONG READ ON HIMIf jay was town, he would defend snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play, not some "oh, i think these guys are scum and voting this other guys even though i have no analysis on the guy they are voting". Oats, Ctrl F jay's filter for snarfs. You will see what i mean On February 17 2013 02:01 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:Suddenly, when snarfs is under heavy pressure, jay sees it fitting to vote yamato, who he made a big case on, and then unvote yamato for VE, whom he never made a case on. Sounds townie to me actually, BECAUSE as scum, I was really worried about stuff like that. So I didnt do that. As Town, who cares who you vote if you really think that the guy is scum? If he was so sure VE was scum, why did he not provide analysis and reasoning that would persuade others that VE is scum? Why did he have to resort to screaming "OMG VE is scum!!!!!" Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:28 jaybrundage wrote:On February 13 2013 07:24 phagga wrote:On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote:
You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird. Sloosh, since your vote is on VE: do you think snarfs is not scum or VE is the better lynch? I think VE is scum for sure. We need you on this lynch to kill him. He has been soft defended by numerous players. Because hes scum and they don't want him to die. I don't think Snarfs is scum Because currently the people on him are on my scum list. And the people on VE are on my town list. Also VE has done alot of scummy things. Phagga you wrote a big case on VE before. I'm surprised that you have any doubts about VE Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:05 jaybrundage wrote:
Holy fuck Sloosh why did you unvote VE now snarfs is gonna get lynched no matter what unless phagga comes back WTF THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkkk Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:06 jaybrundage wrote:
Sloosh what the hell where you doing by trying to unvote VE vote Snarfs and unvoting snarfs. Now snarfs has reached the majority and with out Djo we dont have anyway get majority back. YOu fucked this hard Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:07 jaybrundage wrote:
Yamato come over to lynch VE. If you are actually town and we misread you we need to kill VE Where is the logical, persuasive reasoning that a townie would provide to persuade people to his lynch? There wasn't any. There was just begging for people to not lynch scum (snarfs) and lynch VE instead On February 17 2013 02:16 debears wrote:Oats I have one more thing for you. I would also like input from others (not named Jay) on what I've wrote. What do you think about Jay's comments around the Palmar lynch? Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:00 jaybrundage wrote:
Man that Palmar wagon looks scummy as hell Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:04 BioSC wrote:Day 2! Palmar, the Vanilla Townie, has been lynched! This post will be retconned by GM at a later time. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:14 jaybrundage wrote:
Im not happy this was a shitty pick for a lynch What does that post accomplish from each perspective by jay? Town - he is 99.999999% sure palmar is town. He wants to spread suspicion on everyone on the palmar wagon (even though not all the palmar wagon can be scum). He's pissed for people voting for a wagon that he was on for most of the day. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 12:36 jaybrundage wrote:
@Palmar Eh kinda sucks when you join in a game and your not motivated enough to actually try to play it. Why join in the first place then?
If you give your updated reads and tell who you think is scum that would be awesome.
Also I believe that your town casue of your posting and sincerity. But if you don't want to actually play then replace out or something. Or we can just lynch you if you have no interest in playing. I think your a very strong townie but you said it your self to play the game of mafia well you need to invest time into it. If you dont wanna do that then i think it might be better to keep Mocsta or SlOosh that have showed that they actually want to play this game.
Palmar I will change my vote for you but if you change your mind and decide to play then I will do my best to change the direction of the lynch. The balls in your court.
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar He pissed because he came in with only 30 minutes left til lynch to suddenly argue for palmar Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 10:20 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok srlys can we get a vote count?
Also
##Unvote
##Vote Mocsta
While I think we have 3 townies up for lynch. I think it would be dumb to kill the best scum hunter i know. Scum will want to nail Palmar and kill him when they get the chance. But the way i see it we shouldn't let them have that chance. We have the best scum catcher in TL and people are considering lynching him. If he is down to play we should keep him. I suggest we lynch Mocsta or SlOosh I'll be moving my vote on who ever has the better chance to get lynched. (If we could get vote count) What kind of town comes back 30 minutes before lynch, to suddenly switch his vote and then proceed to flame everyone about lynching a townie when he was on that townies wagon for most of the day before the flip? Scum - he knows palmar is town. He helps contribute to the palmar wagon. Then, with 30 minutes left he switches votes to act angry to look townie Bitching about a mislynch is in no way pro-town. Bitching about a mislynch when you do nothing to prevent that mislynch (coming in 30 minutes before and making two posts is not doing anything) is scummy as shit. On February 16 2013 15:00 debears wrote:Debears's fantastic snarf lynch vote analysis!!!!!!! Votecounts: + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 14:04 jaybrundage wrote:Vote Count Snarfs: Mr.Cheesecake, Yamato77, VisceraEyes Yamato77: JayBrundage, Phagga, Mocsta, Oatsmaster VisceraEyes: Snarfs, SlOosh Mr.Cheesecake: Prplhz, Prplhz: VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster Have not voted: Djodref, Oats did you vote CC today? On February 13 2013 07:08 jaybrundage wrote:Everybody has to die sometime ![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUmY9ZhvulnE8OHSV9Lsb4U_hq8fnMmhlYIXWJQnyB420Va8IPUg) Day 3 Vote Count:Snarfs (4): Mr. Cheesecake, yamato77, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster Yamato77 (1): jaybrundage, phagga, Mocsta, OatsmasterVisceraEyes (4): Snarfs, SlOosh, Mocsta, Jaybrundage Mr. Cheesecake (1): prplhz prplhz (0): VisceraEyes, OatsmasterSnarfs is currently set to be lynched. Djodref has not voted.
You have ~4h hours left until the end of the day.Phagga come to lynch VE with us scum is really trying to make this not happen. On February 13 2013 08:04 jaybrundage wrote:
Day 3 Vote Count:
Snarfs (5): Mr. Cheesecake, yamato77, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, Phagga, SlOosh
Yamato77 (0): jaybrundage, phagga, Mocsta, Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (4): Snarfs, SlOosh, Mocsta, Jaybrundage, prplhz, Phagga
Mr. Cheesecake (1): prplhz
prplhz (0): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster
Snarfs is currently set to be lynched. Djodref has not voted. SlOosh Has not voted
You have ~3h hours left until the end of the day.
On February 13 2013 08:11 BioSC wrote:
Day 3 Vote Count:
Snarfs (6): Mr. Cheesecake, yamato77, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, slOosh, phagga, slOosh
Yamato77 (0): jaybrundage, phagga, Mocsta, Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (4): Snarfs, SlOosh, Mocsta, jaybrundage, prplhz, phagga
Mr. Cheesecake (0): prplhz
prplhz (0): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster
Snarfs is currently set to be lynched. Djodref has not voted.
You have less than 3 hours left until the end of the day. On February 13 2013 10:40 BioSC wrote:
Day 3 Vote Count:
Snarfs (7): Mr. Cheesecake, yamato77, VisceraEyes, VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster, slOosh, phagga, slOosh, Mocsta
Yamato77 (0): jaybrundage, phagga, Mocsta, Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (3): Snarfs, SlOosh, Mocsta, jaybrundage, prplhz, phagga
Mr. Cheesecake (0): prplhz
prplhz (0): VisceraEyes, Oatsmaster
Snarfs is currently set to be lynched. Djodref has not voted.
You have 20 minutes left until the end of the day. CheeseCake - TownSuspicious of snarfs since d1. Early vote on snarf - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17766828Leaves open possibility of switching to Yamato ------> Never switches to Yamato Pushes the snarf lynch hard when VE lynch gains traction. Snarf was scum, CC risked everything, saying "lynch me if snarf is town". Yamato - TownThe second vote on snarfs. Vote stayed on snarfs. Pushed snarfs very hard all day. VE - slight townVE switched onto Snarfs when he himself was at threat of getting lynched. So VE's vote is a null tell to me. However, Snarfs had been pushing VE since day 1. VE was snarf's only real scumread that he pursued aggressively. This tells me the VE is most likely town, unless they (if both town), planned on a double bus at the very beginning of the game. Also, his counter wagon gained a lot of traction fast over a snarfs wagon that had a lot more scum oriented content behind it. JayBrund - Scum+ Show Spoiler +Jay pushed Yamato at first, and then VE. The yamato push isn't scummy solely because he pushed yamato, it is also scummy because of the timing and the reasoning behind his push on yamato. Context: Here is jay's post on yamato + Show Spoiler +On February 11 2013 13:02 jaybrundage wrote:YAMATO Cause Palmar said so WELP HERE WE GO Well first of all there's this Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much. Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows. I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least. I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short.
Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum: On February 07 2013 22:48 yamato77 wrote:
What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town: On February 08 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote:
Regardless of the JX flip I think Palmar is claiming mafia to us with that last post about the lynch.
And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good.
prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. Examples: On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote:
But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote:
Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night? Anyway, more later if I have time. Lets start from the top Yamato wants to lynch Mocsta as quite a bit of people viewed Mocsta scummy at first Oats naming one and i know he had about 3-4 votes at one point in time. However when Mocsta actually writes up his defense Yamato completly back tracks. And chalks it up to Mocsta misunderstanding his case? Yamato thought Mocsta was scum it wouldn't be misunderstanding it would be him twisting words. And then Yamato just flips it around and calls Mocsta town later. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:
Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?
I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff. Ok So here Yamato comes full circle in Mocsta from hes scum to idk to yea hes town. And get this then Yamato calls JX scummy for calling Mocsta scum when a short while ago. Yamato was going after Mocsta with a pick axe. Also note his need as scum to want to kill Palmar ASAP. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. Here he just becomes unreasonable demanding a JX lynch while not even listening to alternatives Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote:
If someone other than JX gets lynched today I will afk. The sole reason he wants to go after people now is lack of activity. He legit with all the information we have got from two lynches is gonna do a lurker lynch is he fucking srs? Yes lurking can be a tell of scum. But to use it alone as who you decide to kill at this point in the game is just a easy scum route. Also look at the people that he's defending VE prlhz the exact people that Palmar and Sloosh are going for. Also keep in mind his one track mind to want ot lynch Palmar. We have SCUM Yamato here. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. ##Vote Yamato Note that half his case is using palmar's words to justify his case, which isn't reasonable. Palmar himself said that his reads likely weren't great this game due to the fact he was behind on the game. Now, for the three or so parts where Jay actually writes something of his own. 1) Yamato's flip on Mocsta. Let's examine why Yamato flipped on his read on Mocsta Yamato's original case: + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2013 03:05 yamato77 wrote:QUOTE] On January 20 2013 22:18 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 22:11 Djodref wrote:
@ Mocsta
Sorry, I didn't see your answer.
Do you really think yamato is going to be elected today ? I personally don't think so becauset yamato didn't "officially" campaign, and he is not known to have good reads so...
If not, I'm curious to know what raised your attention in his posts.
It doesnt matter if i think yamato is a candidate with a chance to win, I represent one vote out of 22. I thought yamato campaigned passive-aggressively; just like Toad.
Its an approach I am oft in favour of when attempting to look squeaky-clean whilst attempting to manipulate. Having said that, its not pertinent to determining alignment. At least not with the information we have currently. This is from page 1 of Mocsta's filter in LIX, the game he was town. He gives out, in the part I bolded, his rationale in thinking Toad and I might be mafia, but in doing so reveals his own thought process when mafia, that being passive-aggressive is a way to play mafia. On January 12 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2013 14:22 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not denying, discussion is good/important and if nobody starts it scum autowin. However, if a scum can get control of town fast, they almost instawin. As a gambit, it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast.
... @Sn0_ManI appreciate the sense of energy you are giving back to this thread, and I certainly do not want to deter that; town needs this energy. BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid". I think we both want the same thing, a town environment where people can voice their opinion and join together for the scum hunt. When you say "it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast"; that alienates participants from wanting to contribute. You are actually creating an environment scum can thrive in with that attitude - even though I doubt that is your intention. I ask that you please think about the above. This is the first alignment-indicative post Mocsta made in NMM XXXV, the game he was mafia. What do you notice here? On February 06 2013 15:49 Mocsta wrote:
Oats you have an uncanny ability to read a wall of text and focus on one word in that paragraph.
You sound like a whiny chick to me, who hears one word she doesnt like, and zones off to everything else.
I AM NOT SETUP SPECULATING. The fuckn setup is 9 town, 4 mafia.
I am saying we need to make scum work hard to become read as town,
I am saying good play Day1 is to emphasise quality posts, and avoid being a lurker
I am saying, bad play Day1, is going to make nominations for scum in Day2 much fuckn easier. He's making the same sort of argument about Oats this game that he did about Sn0 in the other game, that their play isn't "optimal" and they are "helping mafia". It's a fabricated read, in my eyes, and a fabricated contribution to say such things. It doesn't matter how a player is playing versus how you think the ideal town player SHOULD play, it matters if that player is playing in a way you know mafia would play. On January 12 2013 22:38 Mocsta wrote:
Well im going to bed anyways.. will check in the thread in the morning, and will then be away for at least 6 hrs. *sigh*
Please generate some discussions USA shift ! There are still plenty of players who have not even posted yet.
zebezt, trust me.. I know the feeling to want some discussion happening, but, as town we don't want to create spam. Unfortunately now its just a waiting game for some activity.
[Unless 24hrs has expired.. thats my personal deadline for lurker calling]
On February 06 2013 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Oats,
Stop getting over-defensive. Now you have to spell out actions.
If you couldnt tell my post was a joke, you have problems.
And your comment regarding my intentions is stupid. You admit yourself it is "optimal play'.. well no shit, why you think I am striving for that. Im not trying to re-invent the wheel.
Again you are flinging shit at an active participant, and for what purpose?
Still, no one is contributing; and the one guy who does, you tell him to "fuck off" whether joke or not.
Lay off the juice and give others a chance to input into the thread. Those two posts showcase a trait I see in Mafia Mocsta's play, a preoccupation with "contribution" and "lurking" from other players. Aside from the meta similarity here, the mafia trait is that he's doing exactly what he thinks people give out town reads for, and indeed what some of you have given him a town read for this game, simply post. He calls out "lurkers" to appear to contribute and care about the town atmosphere, something I readily see as a common trait in his mafia game and this one. On January 13 2013 07:14 Mocsta wrote:
Wow. Thats it over the night shift.
Oats u sound like sno_man.
perhaps the aggresion u 2 have shown is why there is a lack of discussion.
I think u should read what i posted to him.
My questions are ice breakers and i have not a genuine comment from to stimulate town conversation. In fact. You are deterring conversation.
@oatsmaster
Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations On February 06 2013 16:34 Mocsta wrote:
VE, you posted you would prefer nomination discussion to be held post Day 2 Dawn - when scum lynch candidates are released.
My motive for the quote was along the lines of: the candidates are going to be chosen based on play Day 1. Yes that statement is obvious, hoever what I am trying to highlight is that effort needs to be made to make the decision for scum difficult.
I listed 4 scenarios scum can take; we can't control that decision. What we can CONTROL is the viability of one of those options - to me, this is of benefit to town as it reduces WIFOM choices.
I thought my message(s) were clear cut, but, perhaps I am not communicating myself effectively. If not, please let me know. Again, two similar posts in rationale from NMM XXXV and this game. In both posts, he wants to paint what he's doing as "pro-town" by, again, promoting a positive discussion-based atmosphere. He's concerned with how people perceive what he's doing, and wants to control the discussion on the matter. It's mafia mentality, plenty of people, Marv included, attempt to play "pro-town" when mafia. Mcosta, when mafia, is obsessed with the concept, just like he is in this game. I highly doubt Mocsta is town. Who is his scum read so far? All I see in his filter is a bunch of arguing with Oats, and then arriving at the conclusion that he's town/null/whatever. It doesn't look to me like he's hunting mafia, it looks like to me that he's just trying to look town. In this post, yamato essential states that Mocsta was fake contributing day 1, just calling out people for contribution and lurking, with tone similar to his scum meta. Also, he has a problem with Mocsta caring about his own appearance. However, why did yamato switch his read? + Show Spoiler +On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. He realizes, "hey, mocsta has a scumread". The lack of mocsta's scumreads was a major basis of yamato's scum read on mocsta. Why wouldn't yamato switch his read upon realizing a major reason for mocsta being scum was wrong? 2) Being stubborn about a JX lynch d1 By the end of day1, yamato was stubborn on JX. However, Jay totally disregards the fact that yamato had commented with cases on yamato, phagga, and prplhz. Yamato had shown that he was actively trying to figure out the game, and had settled on JX for the lynch. 3) The case on snarfs He pretty much calls yamato's case on snarfs a pure lurker lynch. Yet he totally disregards what Yamato said, which imo was decent analysis of the situation Here are yamato's words on the snarfs vote: "Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda. So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today." This is in no way a pure lurker lynch suggestion. It's a vote based on the fact that someone didn't care about the lynch, which is usually a scumtell. 4) The timing of jay's case on yamato. Look at the timestamp of jay's case. Now look at the timestamp of when yamato voted snarfs. On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. 17 minutes after yamato votes snarfs, Jay magically has a case on him, based on palmar's reads and jay's bad/twisted reasoning. That, my friends, is scummy. Now, for Jay's vote on VE. Snarfs had pushed VE hard since the beginning of the game, and, not only did jay join the wagon, jay also freaked out when snarfs was getting lynched. But, the main problem was the timing of his voteswitch. After oats unvoted yamato, and yamato's lynch was losing steam, jay did not keep pushing yamato. Instead, Jay suddenly decides, "oh, i'll just join the VE wagon that suddenly popped up". What was his reasoning for VE being scum? On February 13 2013 06:58 jaybrundage wrote:
Yea I love how divided the votes are It will make it so much easier to see scum movements later in the day.
And actually the thing I wanted to talk to you about was changing the vote to VE today. But you did it earlier then I would of liked. I wanted to get more a read of VE and scum friends on if they would of killed Yamato instead of Snarfs instead.
##UnVote
##Vote VisceraEyes I looked thru the 3 pages before the VE vote, and guess what? Jay never made a case on VE, yet he saw him as "very likely scum". That's odd and scummy as shit, especially considering snarfs was scum and had pushed VE all game long. Suddenly, when snarfs is under heavy pressure, jay sees it fitting to vote yamato, who he made a big case on, and then unvote yamato for VE, whom he never made a case on. I have more i need to add in there. These are the clear reads I got from the day3 analysis
I also find it curious how you still have a null read on sloosh
On February 20 2013 16:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah I dont agree with it.
The lynchpin seems to be that he is pushing prp over snarfs.
The problem with that is EVERYBODY wanted to lynch Prp after day 2.
It seems very subjective....
Also half the stuff you are saying isnt really a scumtell, and you arent saying that its a scumtell. So its useless and just makes your 'case' confusing.
I think we should lynch slOosh to be safe today.
I have stronger townreads on CC and yamato, still null on slOosh.
So Yamato, Who are your strongest 2 scumreads?
A null read at this point in the game is worthless. There is plenty of material to work off of. And, as the kicker, you want to lynch the strongest town player out of the 3 who are likely town
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On February 17 2013 01:53 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually,
##Unvote
##Vote: Debears
What do you have to say about Jay pushing VE incredibly hard? He pushed VE hard with no case written on VE at all by himself. He just suddenly decided "hey, VE is totes scum". You don't find that weird after he wrote about yamato? + Show Spoiler +On February 11 2013 13:02 jaybrundage wrote:YAMATO Cause Palmar said so WELP HERE WE GO Well first of all there's this Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much. Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows. I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least. I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short.
Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum: On February 07 2013 22:48 yamato77 wrote:
What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town: On February 08 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote:
Regardless of the JX flip I think Palmar is claiming mafia to us with that last post about the lynch.
And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good.
prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. Examples: On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote:
But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote:
Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night? Anyway, more later if I have time. Lets start from the top Yamato wants to lynch Mocsta as quite a bit of people viewed Mocsta scummy at first Oats naming one and i know he had about 3-4 votes at one point in time. However when Mocsta actually writes up his defense Yamato completly back tracks. And chalks it up to Mocsta misunderstanding his case? Yamato thought Mocsta was scum it wouldn't be misunderstanding it would be him twisting words. And then Yamato just flips it around and calls Mocsta town later. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:
Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?
I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff. Ok So here Yamato comes full circle in Mocsta from hes scum to idk to yea hes town. And get this then Yamato calls JX scummy for calling Mocsta scum when a short while ago. Yamato was going after Mocsta with a pick axe. Also note his need as scum to want to kill Palmar ASAP. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. Here he just becomes unreasonable demanding a JX lynch while not even listening to alternatives Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote:
If someone other than JX gets lynched today I will afk. The sole reason he wants to go after people now is lack of activity. He legit with all the information we have got from two lynches is gonna do a lurker lynch is he fucking srs? Yes lurking can be a tell of scum. But to use it alone as who you decide to kill at this point in the game is just a easy scum route. Also look at the people that he's defending VE prlhz the exact people that Palmar and Sloosh are going for. Also keep in mind his one track mind to want ot lynch Palmar. We have SCUM Yamato here. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. ##Vote Yamato Then, there's jay's refusal to lynch snarfs. + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 13:23 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I don't care if you don't want to lynch Snarfs. You want to lynch me,1 which means you're an idiot.
Palmar did play bad this game. I have no problem saying that. Just because he flipped town doesn't suddenly mean his reads are 100% correct. I happen to know they aren't.
So what are you doing to do tomorrow when I flip town and mafia puts up three more town players and then it's mylo, huh? Go around sheeping Palmar's reads then? How is that productive for town?
Your case is just an extension of his, which I already addressed. I've addressed all of the main points I could find against me. If you don't believe me, 2 I don't care, because right now I really don't even want to play in this game. People aren't even reading my posts. 1 Hey last game I was scum I used attacks on Bugs to rile him up and make him not think clearly. Nicely done. 2 Stop using emotional bullshit to try to pull out a response from people. Also you refuse to find a second candidate. WTF is this? If your town then start looking. Snarfs is not gonna be killed today. I have said this like three times and you refuse to answer. WHAT'S YOUR SECOND SCUM READ What was his reasoning for not lynching snarfs??????? + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 11:56 jaybrundage wrote:Snarfs: I thought snarfs was scummy for a bit. But with my change of read on VE and the way snarf was pushing VE since day 1 I have come around on him also the fact that the people who are voting him are in my scum team makes it so I think that he's a mislynch that scum is pushing. My last comment on him was to many scum want him dead and its true alot of scummy people are pushing him as a mislynch. Yamato is still a scum candidate. I'll give more thoughts on him later. I want to see his posting and what he plans to do because so far its been jack shit. The reasons you stated are the exact reasons they are probably scum. CC has sat under the radar. He hasn't been pressured and he hasn't done anything. His flipflop on yamato is also scummy as hell. Oats as well he started off decent too many people gave him a pass on his conversation with you. Since then he hasn't contributed to the town at all. Show nested quote +Mocsta said
Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter.
Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch. You like that logical fallacy thing eh. Well ill use it against you. Show nested quote +Mocsta said Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion. If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop. Show nested quote +appeal to authority You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not. That guy Palmar... Ill give ya a secret
He's an expert Also just so you note. Oats was on Palmars town list. I do take his reads seriously but I don't mind branching out either. Was his town read on snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play? Hell no. It was an association, based on no flips, based on a couple votes on snarfs. WHY DID JAY NOT MENTION ANALYSIS OF SNARFS PLAY IF HE HAS SUCH A STRONG READ ON HIMIf jay was town, he would defend snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play, not some "oh, i think these guys are scum and voting this other guys even though i have no analysis on the guy they are voting". Oats, Ctrl F jay's filter for snarfs. You will see what i mean
On February 17 2013 02:01 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:Suddenly, when snarfs is under heavy pressure, jay sees it fitting to vote yamato, who he made a big case on, and then unvote yamato for VE, whom he never made a case on. Sounds townie to me actually, BECAUSE as scum, I was really worried about stuff like that. So I didnt do that. As Town, who cares who you vote if you really think that the guy is scum? If he was so sure VE was scum, why did he not provide analysis and reasoning that would persuade others that VE is scum? Why did he have to resort to screaming "OMG VE is scum!!!!!" Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:28 jaybrundage wrote:On February 13 2013 07:24 phagga wrote:On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote:
You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird. Sloosh, since your vote is on VE: do you think snarfs is not scum or VE is the better lynch? I think VE is scum for sure. We need you on this lynch to kill him. He has been soft defended by numerous players. Because hes scum and they don't want him to die. I don't think Snarfs is scum Because currently the people on him are on my scum list. And the people on VE are on my town list. Also VE has done alot of scummy things. Phagga you wrote a big case on VE before. I'm surprised that you have any doubts about VE Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:05 jaybrundage wrote:
Holy fuck Sloosh why did you unvote VE now snarfs is gonna get lynched no matter what unless phagga comes back WTF THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkkk Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:06 jaybrundage wrote:
Sloosh what the hell where you doing by trying to unvote VE vote Snarfs and unvoting snarfs. Now snarfs has reached the majority and with out Djo we dont have anyway get majority back. YOu fucked this hard Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 08:07 jaybrundage wrote:
Yamato come over to lynch VE. If you are actually town and we misread you we need to kill VE Where is the logical, persuasive reasoning that a townie would provide to persuade people to his lynch? There wasn't any. There was just begging for people to not lynch scum (snarfs) and lynch VE instead
On February 17 2013 02:16 debears wrote:Oats I have one more thing for you. I would also like input from others (not named Jay) on what I've wrote. What do you think about Jay's comments around the Palmar lynch? Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:00 jaybrundage wrote:
Man that Palmar wagon looks scummy as hell Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:04 BioSC wrote:Day 2! Palmar, the Vanilla Townie, has been lynched! This post will be retconned by GM at a later time. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 11:14 jaybrundage wrote:
Im not happy this was a shitty pick for a lynch What does that post accomplish from each perspective by jay? Town - he is 99.999999% sure palmar is town. He wants to spread suspicion on everyone on the palmar wagon (even though not all the palmar wagon can be scum). He's pissed for people voting for a wagon that he was on for most of the day. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 12:36 jaybrundage wrote:
@Palmar Eh kinda sucks when you join in a game and your not motivated enough to actually try to play it. Why join in the first place then?
If you give your updated reads and tell who you think is scum that would be awesome.
Also I believe that your town casue of your posting and sincerity. But if you don't want to actually play then replace out or something. Or we can just lynch you if you have no interest in playing. I think your a very strong townie but you said it your self to play the game of mafia well you need to invest time into it. If you dont wanna do that then i think it might be better to keep Mocsta or SlOosh that have showed that they actually want to play this game.
Palmar I will change my vote for you but if you change your mind and decide to play then I will do my best to change the direction of the lynch. The balls in your court.
##Unvote
##Vote Palmar He pissed because he came in with only 30 minutes left til lynch to suddenly argue for palmar Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 10:20 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok srlys can we get a vote count?
Also
##Unvote
##Vote Mocsta
While I think we have 3 townies up for lynch. I think it would be dumb to kill the best scum hunter i know. Scum will want to nail Palmar and kill him when they get the chance. But the way i see it we shouldn't let them have that chance. We have the best scum catcher in TL and people are considering lynching him. If he is down to play we should keep him. I suggest we lynch Mocsta or SlOosh I'll be moving my vote on who ever has the better chance to get lynched. (If we could get vote count) What kind of town comes back 30 minutes before lynch, to suddenly switch his vote and then proceed to flame everyone about lynching a townie when he was on that townies wagon for most of the day before the flip? Scum - he knows palmar is town. He helps contribute to the palmar wagon. Then, with 30 minutes left he switches votes to act angry to look townie Bitching about a mislynch is in no way pro-town. Bitching about a mislynch when you do nothing to prevent that mislynch (coming in 30 minutes before and making two posts is not doing anything) is scummy as shit.
On February 17 2013 02:25 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 02:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Not really, seems like irritated town.
Look, I assume he thought about it and was like, HEY WAIT PALMAR IS PROBABLY TOWN AND WE ARE MISLYNCHING HIM. NOOOO SEE ALL OF YOU SUCK AND ARE PROBABLY SCUM CAUSE YOU JUST MISLYNCHED BEST TOWNIE IN TL MAFIA.!!!! !
Yes, it's possible. Here's my problem with jay day 1 - Votes JX day 2 - votes palmar, then switches to mocsta and bitches about palmars lynch day 3 - hard defends snarfs, votes for VE Is he having that bad of a game and coincidentally doing multiple scummy things, or is he just scum? I'll keep looking
All These points still haven't been refuted at all. I refuse to budge from voting jay until they are
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On February 21 2013 15:05 jaybrundage wrote:
@debears I responded to your case. Good job ignoring it. But at this point you should just bus VE. Try to save some face.
Your responses were wifom or weren't actual defenses
+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2013 12:12 jaybrundage wrote:@Debears Oats has pretty much defended me satisfactory. He knows the best lynch Na pretty well :o. The pre association case before a flip was pretty bad I have to stop doing that. If you have anymore questions or concerns plz address them to me. If not let's lynch Phagga. @CC You know I'm tempting man. Im the tastiest pie eva Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Although this Jay stuff looks tempting as hell,
@Debears
Stop rolling your face over Jay right now. I think he's pretty lulscum too at this point; but tell me, WHY do you think Phagga is town??? You realize that his voteswitch was actually super scummy right? Sloosh unvotes and looks to be preparing to vote Snarfypoo. That's when Phagga switches over, right in the time between sloosh unvotes and subsequently votes snarfs.
"Oh shit, sloosh gonna tip the tides, GG better bus"
I suggest you go look at Phagga's play again. That's just shitty analysis of his vote to give him a town vibe. I expect better from you.
Phagga best lynch evar atm.
##Vote: Phagga
At anyone wanting to lynch Prplhz right now, why would we over Phagga? I'd like to, as VE puts it, powwow a little bit and discuss it. Prplhz play is lackluster and scummy but I think Phagga has a great chance to flip scum. @Phagga I agree completely on the vote switch looking scummy. Also his hesitantness to vote on VE after the case and then the flip flop looks bad On February 20 2013 10:24 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 10:16 debears wrote:
Cheesecake
The fuck?
If you looks like scum, sounds like scum, and votes like scum, it is scum.
Jay is scum. If you think not, THEN FUCKING COUNTER MY PREVIOUS CASES AGAINST HIM. But what if its my town meta too look like scum. But regardless your scum this game. So no use talking about it. On February 20 2013 10:34 jaybrundage wrote:I did have reason for voting VE. It wasn't a big case but I stated my intent here. He wiggles his way out of Sloosh's questions and then throws dirt on Sloosh for no reason. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 07:02 jaybrundage wrote:I would actually gladly lynch VE based on what SlOosh said and his responses On February 10 2013 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I wanted to discuss it with CHEESE tomorrow slOosh. I'm perfectly willing to discuss him with you today. -.- On February 10 2013 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
That is, unless you just wanna talk to Palmar about it. I'll gladly just let you twist my intentions and lynch you for it later. <3 The bolded is my response. Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 01:53 debears wrote:On February 17 2013 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually,
##Unvote
##Vote: Debears
What do you have to say about Jay pushing VE incredibly hard? He pushed VE hard with no case written on VE at all by himself. He just suddenly decided "hey, VE is totes scum". You don't find that weird after he wrote about yamato? + Show Spoiler +On February 11 2013 13:02 jaybrundage wrote:YAMATO Cause Palmar said so WELP HERE WE GO Well first of all there's this Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much. Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows. I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least. I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short.
Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum: On February 07 2013 22:48 yamato77 wrote:
What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town: On February 08 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote:
Regardless of the JX flip I think Palmar is claiming mafia to us with that last post about the lynch.
And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever. On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good.
prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. Examples: On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote:
But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote:
Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night? Anyway, more later if I have time. Lets start from the top Yamato wants to lynch Mocsta as quite a bit of people viewed Mocsta scummy at first Oats naming one and i know he had about 3-4 votes at one point in time. However when Mocsta actually writes up his defense Yamato completly back tracks. And chalks it up to Mocsta misunderstanding his case? Yamato thought Mocsta was scum it wouldn't be misunderstanding it would be him twisting words. And then Yamato just flips it around and calls Mocsta town later. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:
Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?
I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff. Ok So here Yamato comes full circle in Mocsta from hes scum to idk to yea hes town. And get this then Yamato calls JX scummy for calling Mocsta scum when a short while ago. Yamato was going after Mocsta with a pick axe. Also note his need as scum to want to kill Palmar ASAP. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. Here he just becomes unreasonable demanding a JX lynch while not even listening to alternatives Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote:
If someone other than JX gets lynched today I will afk. The sole reason he wants to go after people now is lack of activity. He legit with all the information we have got from two lynches is gonna do a lurker lynch is he fucking srs? Yes lurking can be a tell of scum. But to use it alone as who you decide to kill at this point in the game is just a easy scum route. Also look at the people that he's defending VE prlhz the exact people that Palmar and Sloosh are going for. Also keep in mind his one track mind to want ot lynch Palmar. We have SCUM Yamato here. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. ##Vote Yamato Then, there's jay's refusal to lynch snarfs. + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 13:23 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I don't care if you don't want to lynch Snarfs. You want to lynch me,1 which means you're an idiot.
Palmar did play bad this game. I have no problem saying that. Just because he flipped town doesn't suddenly mean his reads are 100% correct. I happen to know they aren't.
So what are you doing to do tomorrow when I flip town and mafia puts up three more town players and then it's mylo, huh? Go around sheeping Palmar's reads then? How is that productive for town?
Your case is just an extension of his, which I already addressed. I've addressed all of the main points I could find against me. If you don't believe me, 2 I don't care, because right now I really don't even want to play in this game. People aren't even reading my posts. 1 Hey last game I was scum I used attacks on Bugs to rile him up and make him not think clearly. Nicely done. 2 Stop using emotional bullshit to try to pull out a response from people. Also you refuse to find a second candidate. WTF is this? If your town then start looking. Snarfs is not gonna be killed today. I have said this like three times and you refuse to answer. WHAT'S YOUR SECOND SCUM READ What was his reasoning for not lynching snarfs??????? + Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 11:56 jaybrundage wrote:Snarfs: I thought snarfs was scummy for a bit. But with my change of read on VE and the way snarf was pushing VE since day 1 I have come around on him also the fact that the people who are voting him are in my scum team makes it so I think that he's a mislynch that scum is pushing. My last comment on him was to many scum want him dead and its true alot of scummy people are pushing him as a mislynch. Yamato is still a scum candidate. I'll give more thoughts on him later. I want to see his posting and what he plans to do because so far its been jack shit. The reasons you stated are the exact reasons they are probably scum. CC has sat under the radar. He hasn't been pressured and he hasn't done anything. His flipflop on yamato is also scummy as hell. Oats as well he started off decent too many people gave him a pass on his conversation with you. Since then he hasn't contributed to the town at all. Show nested quote +Mocsta said
Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter.
Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch. You like that logical fallacy thing eh. Well ill use it against you. Show nested quote +Mocsta said Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion. If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop. Show nested quote +appeal to authority You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or not. That guy Palmar... Ill give ya a secret
He's an expert Also just so you note. Oats was on Palmars town list. I do take his reads seriously but I don't mind branching out either. Was his town read on snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play? Hell no. It was an association, based on no flips, based on a couple votes on snarfs. WHY DID JAY NOT MENTION ANALYSIS OF SNARFS PLAY IF HE HAS SUCH A STRONG READ ON HIMIf jay was town, Why can't someone whos town have faulty reasoning? he would defend snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play, not some "oh, i think these guys are scum and voting this other guys even though i have no analysis on the guy they are voting". It was faulty reasoning granted but you can have faulty reasoning and still be townOats, Ctrl F jay's filter for snarfs. You will see what i mean Also If i was Snarf's teammate I would of bussed him reallly realllly hard. I think that bussing is a tatic in mafia that people are hesitant to abuse. I would of bussed Snarfs sooo hard if i was mafia it would of not even been funny
How is any of that a fucking rebuttal?
"My meta is scummy"
"I would've bussed snarfs"
"Town can have faulty reasoning"
All are piss poor excuses for a scum.
Die scum
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EPT
