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On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, yes in fact.
I feel that Snarf is most likely gonna flip red.
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him?
WHY WHY
you hardly justify anything
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On February 08 2013 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Also Yamato, I feel the need to say this. You are the towniest I've ever seen you in any game I've played with you. And that disturbs me lol. Your town play was always confirmation biased "kill cheesecake RAWR RAWR". Either your playing a great scumgame here or you've actually leveled your head. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, yes in fact.
I feel that Snarf is most likely gonna flip red.
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him? As far as I see it Oats, JX is equal to Palmar right now. Both have been similarly as useless, just throwing random names out there with little justification. JX seems scummier marginally. Palmar is all lurky and stuff, sure, but if he's town we will KNOW it tomorrow (or tonight).
"Little justification" says the guy with a gut read on oats...
On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
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but I'm still not convinced.
People argue meta by posting previous games. WHy aren't you doing that
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The points raised on Palmar make a lot of sense
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
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On February 08 2013 01:48 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:46 Djodref wrote:On February 08 2013 01:41 yamato77 wrote:
Look at my list.
JX, Palmar, Snarfs, Phagga
Most of you want to lynch at least one of them, no?
Why not lynch JX first? I want reasons he is town before we consider anyone else today. @ yamatoJieXian started to post. You were scum with him in your last game so I must admit I'm tempted to trust you on this one. Do you have anything more relevant that the fact that he lurked hardcore until now ? What is he doing with his posts right now? Defending himself. His read on Oats smells of total bullshit. Do you think Oats is mafia? I know JX is viewed as bad town, but come on. This is a weak attempt to get the lynch off him and the sad thing is that it's working.
tell me how it's bullshit again
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On February 08 2013 01:49 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:45 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Also Yamato, I feel the need to say this. You are the towniest I've ever seen you in any game I've played with you. And that disturbs me lol. Your town play was always confirmation biased "kill cheesecake RAWR RAWR". Either your playing a great scumgame here or you've actually leveled your head. On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yamato, yes in fact.
I feel that Snarf is most likely gonna flip red.
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him? As far as I see it Oats, JX is equal to Palmar right now. Both have been similarly as useless, just throwing random names out there with little justification. JX seems scummier marginally. Palmar is all lurky and stuff, sure, but if he's town we will KNOW it tomorrow (or tonight). "Little justification" says the guy with a gut read on oats... On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
JX, your scumread on Mocsta was pretty fail. Yes I have a gut townread, but it's not the only thing I'm doing today. All I've seen from you is Mocsta scum gogo 2 lines kill this guy. And then trying to fling shit at djo/oats/snarfs to see where it will stick. You are incredibly wish-washy to say the least. Still waiting for snarfs case to decide if he's worthy to live today.
Sorry I posted "nvm sniped" a few posts after that
Care to justify it please? Or does anyone have an opinion? Mocsta?
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Tell me what's wrong with my case on oats.
It's hardly random shit flinging when you have to refute it by saying "yeah man sometimes oats is obv scum"
I have nothing on snarf or Djo.
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On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far.
On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him.
I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town.
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On February 08 2013 01:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:57 JieXian wrote:
Tell me what's wrong with my case on oats.
It's hardly random shit flinging when you have to refute it by saying "yeah man sometimes oats is obv scum"
I have nothing on snarf or Djo. The problem is that you have a case on Oats but a vote on Palmar right when other people express interest in him. You scum, bro.
Yea I believed MRCC for a moment but I'm slowly losing confidence in him which is why I'm prepared to change my vote if I lose my BOTD and I have enough people agreeeing with me
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The case on Palmar was very logical, he's me 2nd choice.
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On February 08 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town. How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game" CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive" Fail. Try again please.
CC said he's docile
You're saying he didn't back down = not docile
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On February 08 2013 01:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:57 JieXian wrote:
Tell me what's wrong with my case on oats.
It's hardly random shit flinging when you have to refute it by saying "yeah man sometimes oats is obv scum"
I have nothing on snarf or Djo. The problem is that you have a case on Oats but a vote on Palmar right when other people express interest in him. You scum, bro.
Besides the whole point of playing town is to find mafia, which includes trying to convince people but also listen.
No point being stubborn and getting the wrong guy if there are good arguments why someone is a better target.
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On February 08 2013 02:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:04 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 02:01 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 02:00 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:JX idk what you want me to justify so much. My townie meta read on Oats? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385389in that newbie I was doc, he was scum. Lynched his face into the ground D1 for his behavior, flipping reads, etc. He is more docile this game with actually some logical thought process behind his posts. Not the best lynch for today by far. On February 08 2013 01:49 Mocsta wrote:On February 08 2013 01:43 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 01:38 JieXian wrote:On February 08 2013 01:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JX,
Oatsmaster is somewhat of a difficult guy to read from a normal standpoint. I've played with him when he was 'obv scum', but turned out to be town. I've also caught him as scum D1. Call it a gut feeling, but I can't identify a decently scummy part of his play. If he's really red, I'll be able to understand him in the grand scheme of things later. Def. not scum to me right now.
Care to justify it to me please? It's a personal meta read. I don't agree with others when they use them, and I don't expect you to agree with me on the fact. It's a gut feeling, and my gut tends to be correct with reads like this. His interaction with Mocsta left me feeling Oats townier than Mocsta in general. Oats is at least null leaning townzorz for me. Oats is definitely town. As scum he is aggressive but backs down and changes tune when shit hits the fan. Hes not doing that this game.Having re-read that part of the game we were feuding, I can now see i took the interactions more personal than him, but even with my "low blows" he didnt back down. In my matrix I have two confirmed town. me and him. I have 2 conflicting reasons for why Oats is town. How? I said as scum he is aggressive and then said "hes not doing that this game" CC said "hes more docile = less aggressive" Fail. Try again please. CC said he's docile You're saying he didn't back down = not docile ?? This is pretty spammy and pointless, stop it. We both have reasons for thinking Oats is town. Not backing down doesn't imply aggressiveness imo, just conviction. One can be tame with conviction. Alright, it's a matter of opinion either way via meta. What you think of snarfs JX?
I can't rationalise with the word "tame conviction" but I read the game you've linked me and I do see a difference. And I get why you 2 had conflicting reasons, because Oats was basically being Vivax in that game while he was all "I'm shy" in LIX, where Mocsta was.
In other words, you 2 need to realise that Oats isn't a 1 dimensional guy who plays the same way.
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Because the responses I've got were very interesting
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It's something to note for the next day.
The meta read you 2 have on oats hold no value.
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On February 08 2013 02:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian
You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer.
I have no way to refute that Palmar argument.
I'm sure neither can you.
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On February 08 2013 02:23 Mocsta wrote:
Guys, after doing that votecount, we have no idea what the USA shift is going to lean towards as they become active in the next couple hours. There is no firm candidate for lynch.
I think we HAVE to consolidate. From what I can see the choices are Palmar / JX / Snarfs
I am concerned about Palmar, BUT I think we need to go for the guaranteed flip.
For me thats JX.
His filter speaks for itself; I think he is the safest choice. (and his latest posts about oats are just ridiculous)
Mr. CC i know you want Snarfs on the table; but do you really think he is a higher chance to flip than JX?
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian
Tell me how is oats contributing more
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On February 08 2013 02:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
No CC, the bandwagon was shifting in Palmar's favour at that point and of course he wants to jump on and lynch arguably the strongest town player here
dafuck
so tell me? what would the townier play be? continue yelling at a wall while doing nothing or changing his vote when somebody clearly laid out an argument he cannot refute?
Furthermore YOU of all people were the most convinced person that Palmar was scum. Now that I've voted for him you paste quote from another game meta-ing him?
dafuck
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Oats doesn't seem too happy that people actually want to lynch palmar now
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Oats
Wants to lynch Palmar:
On February 07 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont care if Palmer is town actually at this point, he hasnt posted enough for ANYONE to get a read on him
Vets cannot let their reputation carry the game for them, especially since there are no nightkills in this game so its not like he is gonna die day 1 if he is really good.
This is a pure LURKER lynch.
Mr CC has contributed more than him and he replaced like 12+ hours later.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmer.
On February 07 2013 17:11 Oatsmaster wrote:Come on guys, LYNCH PALMER. Its easy + Show Spoiler +
On February 07 2013 18:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I am voting for Palmer because he knows better, he really does. At least I hope so :/
On February 07 2013 20:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
The problem is that he skates by by his reputation, which I dont think is a good way to play and is abhorrent to the notion of playing to win
he didnt say anything about being busy, nothing is indicated in his tone that he is busy.
He is just trolling. And I dont care how 'good' he is, this play shouldnt be encouraged.
Talking about Palmer by the way.
On February 07 2013 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok lynching Palmer in 2 days.
IMMINENT.
On February 08 2013 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mr CC
Why are we not lynching Palmer today, given that he has produced NOTHING of actual worth?
On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him?
But suddenly makes a U turn and magically digs out a quote from Marv. I have no idea how someone could have not known that that quote existed earlier for quoting it now.
On February 08 2013 02:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian
You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer.
On February 08 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:The reason why I think Palmar is town this game, much to my regret is, Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 09:01 marvellosity wrote:On January 03 2013 08:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 03 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
Toad, stop trolling as well. Enough. If you're being serious, you're scum, so I can only presume you're trolling. Why because if you think that killing wbg-town is a "win" situation, then you must be scum. So you must be trolling. So stop it. Anyway, I could explain a little more why Palmar could be scum. Palmar and I both play scum or town in a certain kind of way. When we're town we're usually active and trying to figure things out, and it's obvious we're interested. Or maybe Palmar looks totally uninterested, and that's usually when he's town as well. It's when Palmar (and me) *pretend* to be interested that we're more likely to be scum. There's no need to pretend as town and generally neither of us do. Everything Palmar posted so far took him absolutely no effort and he just made a bunch of posts in the thread to look like he's here and he cares and shit, although actually there's no evidence that this is the case. All of you are going "omg Palmar posting a lot, probably town", but if it's taken him a combined total of 5 minutes to make all his posts then this doesn't actually ring true. It's just a way of establishing some credit early because everyone thinks Palmar is just uninterested as scum. Anyway, Palmar could yet have just been coming into the thread having some "fun" or whatever, so we'll see what effort he wants to put into the game tomorrow.
WTF?
Someone tell me how this isn't scummy
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