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Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 25 2013 14:39 GMT
#149
On January 25 2013 22:49 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 21:20 xsksc wrote:
I'm glad we didn't start yesterday as well, I just had a root canal done.
Really like the euro friendly deadline. <3

how much you pay?

i just got one and it killed my wallet after the cap im going to pay like 2500.


wat
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 25 2013 14:41 GMT
#151
France has nice health care as well and you have usually better weather (depending where you live) and much better food !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 25 2013 14:42 GMT
#153
On January 25 2013 23:40 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 23:39 Djodref wrote:
On January 25 2013 22:49 iamperfection wrote:
On January 25 2013 21:20 xsksc wrote:
I'm glad we didn't start yesterday as well, I just had a root canal done.
Really like the euro friendly deadline. <3

how much you pay?

i just got one and it killed my wallet after the cap im going to pay like 2500.


wat

wat is there to be confused about


I don't know, it's just so costly :o
I've paid a little less than 200 (dollars) here in Korea to get one done and I guess it would be around the same amount in France.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 14:46:45
January 25 2013 14:44 GMT
#154
On January 25 2013 23:42 Dandel Ion wrote:
But the French people.
Oh god.
The horror.


Yeah, it's a nice country but too many assholes. That's maybe why I live in South Korea.
Not saying South Korea is heaven on earth. Work culture is similar to hell here ^^

There is good and bad in every country I guess

to xsksc: Internet is quite good and cheap in France
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 25 2013 14:59 GMT
#162
On January 25 2013 23:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
In my country, being happy is a sin.

Your soul belongs to the church.


I've been on holidays in Austria one summer. I don't remember having seen the sun
It was the same when I went to Ireland in my teenage years for a language exchange trip in July by the way ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 25 2013 16:23 GMT
#165
On January 26 2013 01:19 Vivax wrote:
Hi.

Going to be trying to play this game in a different way.

I'll be coming some time in before deadline to drop huge analysis posts. I'll try to keep interactions with others to a minimum.

Time to party for you!


Do you wish to roll scum ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 25 2013 17:12 GMT
#170
On January 26 2013 01:44 JieXian wrote:
Well we have more sunshine and better and cheaper food than any of you.

Definitely better than Singapore's

Too bad our currency is peanuts


I trust you for the sunshine
Food I'm not going to concede ^^
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 02:10 GMT
#278
On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in?


Hello guys !

So, first things first, I didn't like this xsksc post. "Your attacks are a bit odd" doesn't tell anything about his read on Vivax and shows that he didn't try to see if Vivax was honest or not with his early posts.
The part where he says "I'm going to look at your previous game" is also bad, because you don't need to announce it in the thread. Just checking the player profile by yourself and you can find his previous games.
I'm suspicious of xsksc because of this post.

I'm inclined to trust Marv when he claimed miller. As I explained pre-game, a fakeclaim is quite a risky move from the mafia.
I'm not going to worry about him except if he takes the backseat around D3 and is still here at MYLO or LYLO, if we even go there.
Regardless, I'd like to address this message to potential masons.
Don't forget that you can soft counter-claim a miller claim with a mason claim. Consider outing one member of your mason pair to "soft counter" marv's claim.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 02:11 GMT
#279
Looks like I got super sniped by Hapa
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 02:18 GMT
#280
I'm also suspicious of thrawn because he is not as spammy as usual in the beginning of the game and I know that thrawn likes to hang out in the scumQT when he is mafia.
I didn't like his joke as well.

On January 26 2013 09:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'd like all non self aware millers to claim


His joke in Hero Mini Mafia was a useful and light-hearten joke. Useful because it provoked reactions and light-hearten because he didn't care how he was going to like like after a fakeclaim.
This joke is a reminder of what he did in Hero, and I see it as a soft-town claim, which could be mafia motivated. Like, "hey guys, I'm behaving like in this game where I was town ! What gives ?".

Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 02:27 GMT
#285
On January 26 2013 11:19 Promethelax wrote:
Just checking in from work since things are slow.

Masons: do not counter claim Marv. A miller is just as likely if we have masons or not.

Djo, the fuck are you thinking?


lol, do you really want me to start to speculate about the setup ?
The bolded part in your post is just plain wrong.

In a classic C9++ game, the probability to have a mason pair and a miller is of 2.3%. I did the math here in the pregame. So, yeah, you can "soft" counter-claim a miller claim with a mason claim.

+ Show Spoiler [BEWARE, math incoming] +
On January 24 2013 02:13 Djodref wrote:
Two millers are usually not possible, and you have one miller when you have exactly one M or exactly 3 Ms in the setup.


So, let's compute the probability to have exactly one M in the 7 letters defining the setup.

M has a probability of 1/10 to be rolled.
Let's have X for any letter not being M, and X has a probability of 9/10 to be rolled.

MXXXXXX
XMXXXXX
XXMXXXX
XXXMXXX Here you have all the setups with exactly one mason, each of them with a probability of (9/10)^6*(1/10)
XXXXMXX
XXXXXMX
XXXXXXM

There are 7 such setups like this. The final probability to have exactly one M is 7*(9/10)^6*(1/10)=0.3720087
The probability is so roughly of 37%


So then you should add the probability to have exactly 3 Ms in the 7 letters defining the setup.

You have (7*6*5)/(3*2) arrangements of 3 Ms into the 7 letters, that is 35 arrangements. Each arrangement has a probability of (9/10)^4*(1/10)^3
so the probability to have exactly 3 Ms is roughly of 2.3% ??


That should make a ~39.5% probability to have a miller in the classic C9++ setup I guess.



Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 02:33 GMT
#292
On January 26 2013 11:25 xsksc wrote:
Hey djo, regarding the usage of odd, well, I don't really feel inclined to spend the evening repeating myself so you can read my replies to Hapa.
I don't think there's a problem with announcing you'll be reading someone's game. Even if you think it's unnecessary, would you say it's a "scummy" thing to announce? Vivax himself does it the very next post. Are you equally suspicious of him?


I think it's slightly scummy to announce it. Also it's a bad move when you re town, because scum can adapt his meta in the meantime. So it's better to check it first by yourself anyway. I just picked up the post that rubbed me the wrong way when I was catching up with the game.
Vivax apparently tried to check your profile before asking you the question, so the situation is different. Also Vivax is starting this game in a very attention-whorey way, so I don't think I should worry about him yet.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 02:39 GMT
#299
On January 26 2013 11:32 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 11:27 Djodref wrote:
On January 26 2013 11:19 Promethelax wrote:
Just checking in from work since things are slow.

Masons: do not counter claim Marv. A miller is just as likely if we have masons or not.

Djo, the fuck are you thinking?


lol, do you really want me to start to speculate about the setup ?
The bolded part in your post is just plain wrong.

In a classic C9++ game, the probability to have a mason pair and a miller is of 2.3%. I did the math here in the pregame. So, yeah, you can "soft" counter-claim a miller claim with a mason claim.

+ Show Spoiler [BEWARE, math incoming] +
On January 24 2013 02:13 Djodref wrote:
Two millers are usually not possible, and you have one miller when you have exactly one M or exactly 3 Ms in the setup.


So, let's compute the probability to have exactly one M in the 7 letters defining the setup.

M has a probability of 1/10 to be rolled.
Let's have X for any letter not being M, and X has a probability of 9/10 to be rolled.

MXXXXXX
XMXXXXX
XXMXXXX
XXXMXXX Here you have all the setups with exactly one mason, each of them with a probability of (9/10)^6*(1/10)
XXXXMXX
XXXXXMX
XXXXXXM

There are 7 such setups like this. The final probability to have exactly one M is 7*(9/10)^6*(1/10)=0.3720087
The probability is so roughly of 37%


So then you should add the probability to have exactly 3 Ms in the 7 letters defining the setup.

You have (7*6*5)/(3*2) arrangements of 3 Ms into the 7 letters, that is 35 arrangements. Each arrangement has a probability of (9/10)^4*(1/10)^3
so the probability to have exactly 3 Ms is roughly of 2.3% ??


That should make a ~39.5% probability to have a miller in the classic C9++ setup I guess.





But listen, probability of the set up existing are not the same as ability to counter claim. It's about math (statistics) and I don't really want to get into it but you are just as likely to have a miller in a set up with or without masons.


I guess you are talking about conditional probabilities. From the mason point of view.
I think you are right, my bad.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 02:47 GMT
#304
@ xsksc

Can you quote me the "cases" you are talking about ? I disagree with your usage of semantics, and I'm interested to know what you call "cases" and what exactly you are referring to.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 02:54 GMT
#309
For me a case is one big constructed post summing everything up, with strong points. I don't think Vivax points were very strong, and I wouldn't call it a case.
Do you have any player you are suspicious on so far ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 03:42 GMT
#318
On January 26 2013 12:10 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 11:54 Djodref wrote:
For me a case is one big constructed post summing everything up, with strong points. I don't think Vivax points were very strong, and I wouldn't call it a case.
Do you have any player you are suspicious on so far ?

#1 A case is a case, doesn't matter how strong it is.
#2 Thrawn has done nothing useful. One comment about something he didn't like and a joke. That's it, pretty suspicious stuff and I hope he starts posting some more substance when he's on next.

Also - your arguments with me over semantics, why? I mean, what's the point? I'd clarified what I meant by odd to Hapa already, and yet you still thought it necessary to point out. I find it hard to believe you didn't know what I meant by "case", and it seems a very small thing to pick a fight over.


I wasn't speaking about the odd "thing", I was speaking about the fact that you consider the few weak posts Vivax made against you "cases". Your posture is too defensive to my liking.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 03:43 GMT
#320
On January 26 2013 12:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Sigh. Where did everyone go?


I'm here. What do you think about thrawn entrance in the thread ?
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 04:12 GMT
#328
On January 26 2013 12:50 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 12:42 Djodref wrote:
On January 26 2013 12:10 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 11:54 Djodref wrote:
For me a case is one big constructed post summing everything up, with strong points. I don't think Vivax points were very strong, and I wouldn't call it a case.
Do you have any player you are suspicious on so far ?

#1 A case is a case, doesn't matter how strong it is.
#2 Thrawn has done nothing useful. One comment about something he didn't like and a joke. That's it, pretty suspicious stuff and I hope he starts posting some more substance when he's on next.

Also - your arguments with me over semantics, why? I mean, what's the point? I'd clarified what I meant by odd to Hapa already, and yet you still thought it necessary to point out. I find it hard to believe you didn't know what I meant by "case", and it seems a very small thing to pick a fight over.


I wasn't speaking about the odd "thing", I was speaking about the fact that you consider the few weak posts Vivax made against you "cases". Your posture is too defensive to my liking.

Like, this is what I don't understand here. What is the problem with the word case? If I use the word "attacks" or "list of reasons hes voting me for", would you be happier?


Attacks would have been better
There is no case against you.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 04:18 GMT
#329
On January 26 2013 13:04 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Djo

Can you sum up your suspicions of xsksc? I can't piece together your thoughts - it sounds like you're disagreeing more with his verbage rather than finding him scummy.


Here are the two reasons why I'm suspicious of xsksc.

On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in?



This post where he announces that he is going to look into Vivax games. This post casts suspicion upon Vivax in an indirect way and I don't like the fact that he says he is going to look into Vivax games. It's very similar to what Adam posted in Hero Mini Mafia about thrawn (Palmar picked it up in his video).


The second thing is his reference to cases that don't really exist in my eyes. Vivax arguments are quite weak and they don't constitute cases for me. So I find xsksc over defensive, which is commonly a scum trait.

On January 26 2013 11:41 xsksc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 11:34 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 26 2013 11:05 xsksc wrote:
On January 26 2013 10:55 Hapahauli wrote:
To expand on that: "odd" is a purposeless term in mafia. No one cares if something is "odd," because it draws no conclusions about someone's allignment. This is especially true given how that quote is constructed:


On January 26 2013 09:41 xsksc wrote:
Yeah, I don't see a good reason for you to be scum at this point. Your attacks are a bit odd but apparently you always play like this? I'd like to have a wee deek at one of your town games, which game were you last town in?


First you say that there's no reason for you to think he's scum. Then you call his quote "odd" (which is purposeless and implies suspicion on Vivax). Then you backtrack on it, but then reverse course again promising to look into Vivax's filter (which implies suspicion on him again).

There's a huge lack of coherence behind this statement of yours. What are your actual thoughts on Vivax?




I said I don't see a good reason for him to be scum. I don't think someone making a bad case on me warrants me to turn around and label them scum, if there's nothing else in their filter to indicate so.
His case lacked logic, that's all, and I prefer to actually do something constructive day one than defend myself against it.
Still leaning town on him. You may be more familiar with him, what do you think? Standard Vivax?


Ignore the "standard Vivax" stuff. What would you think of his play independent of his history?


He jumped right in and started making cases/pressuring his read, he looks like he doesn't care if he's in the spotlight. Seems fairly townie to me. In fact, I don't think scum would make such a poorly thought out case that fast in the game, it's bound to draw unwanted attention.


Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 26 2013 04:19 GMT
#330
@ xsksc

Did you read previous Vivax games ? Which ones ?
What did you make of it ?
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