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Quadruple-post ftw:
JX might actually be more likely mafia for the #2 slot than oats, but that'd make oats go to #3 together with debears. I know JX somewhat from the TL-language exchanging thread. He has my skype and we're skyping in german every once in a while. I'd say every 2nd or every 3rd day for an hour, maybe a bit longer? So I'd say I know him somewhat outside of the game.
That being said I think he'd be the kind of guy who'd have troubles to post as mafia while talking freely about what's on his mind as town. I obviously can't back that one up at all and it's a personal opinion that could be wrong but I think so :p
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On January 22 2013 17:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Toad, just to make it easier to read, do you mean
Character Treats where treats mean
An event or item that is out of the ordinary and gives great pleasure.
or Character Traits where traits mean
A distinguishing quality or characteristic, typically one belonging to a person.
second one.
slot #4 is "the lurker" :p
BKE being the prime candidate because clarity got almost (?) modkilled for not voting and call me old fashioned but outside of newbie games mafias don't get modkilled for not voting.
WBG remember the game where you were mafia with RedFF? I think rad or BC or both were mafia together with you, the one were VE was SK and was really good?
BKE is redFF.
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On January 22 2013 17:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey guys, are you just ignoring my Gonzaw case? Because?
It's actually somewhat likely that gonzaw is going to be shot if he's town. So really no need to talk about that right now if the next day might just reveal his alignment.
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24hours after the the last deadline.
I want some time to talk with Palmar about the bodyguards though and if it takes really long to announce those and it's like I only got 5 minutes to talk with him about it before the deadline I'll be really angry.
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On January 22 2013 17:54 DearestSnot wrote:
hey I'm not gonna be back till later tomorrow, gonna sleep soon.
Quick few things:
Toad, I assume you're jailing tonight. Consider jailing sandro.
Medics, consider protecting me. That is all I have to say for now.
I'm actually considering to do bullshit in 99% of the cases with my n1 jail for the 1% chance of MAJOR BIG PLAYS.
Sounds compelling to me.
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no nothing like that, I'm not iamP :p
Really need Palmar to get in here.
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Actually screw what I said about JX earlier... he was voting palmar when he openly stated he's going to lynch prplhz. That's not a mafia.
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Okay went through filters and I've got 7 people who aren't colored as "town" in my sheet. Everyone else is either "probably town" or "pretty certain he's town"..
Furthermore 2 are linked (Annul / Chez) so it's actually only 6 imo.
Why am I the only one here 
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back. Palmar you're okay with me giving the names of the bodyguard to Sandro later on, right?
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I actually considered doing the bullshit and protect you tonight for that very reason. If they want to all-in they might be able to do so with a Jack by shooting you, me and Sandroba after all as well.
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On January 23 2013 02:40 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 02:26 Toadesstern wrote:
I actually considered doing the bullshit and protect you tonight for that very reason. If they want to all-in they might be able to do so with a Jack by shooting you, me and Sandroba after all as well. Yes, we absolutely cannot presume we're safe tonight. Planning under that assumption is risky. I don't particularly see many downsides to the thread knowing the bodyguards. If the bodyguards are indeed town and mafia want to shoot them to get through to us, they will have made a fine sacrifice in the line of duty, and I will commemorate them with statues of gold.
Well mafia has a maximum of 3 KP.
If they want to all-in they can if they have a Jack because that'd mean they could shoot you, me and Sandro. That also means a single protection on any of us means we get 2 confirmed mafias because the survivor can just tell the name of the 2 fake bodyguards to the thread.
I don't really see the benefit of telling the thread ahead of time though. I already said the protection I was considering as well (protecting you instead of Sandro / WBG / gonzaw) would be wasted in 99% of the times an only will be useful if they really opt to all-in. But that'd be fine with me for the offchance of major big plays and getting to know 2 mafias.
We could be prefectly fine if I tell the bodyguards to Sandro and just have you protected for 100% safety tonight. Though I don't actually know if I can protect tonight...
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On January 23 2013 02:58 DearestSnot wrote:
Toad: DO NOT go for a fucking "big play". It's too big of a risk for them to out two bodyguards to kill your or FT and quite honestly I'd rather just let you die to out two scum. Aim your jail at someone who is actually likely to get hit.
well if all of Sandroba / Palmar / myself die there's no way we can tell you the bodyguards unless Palmar tells you in the thread but I don't like that idea at all...
And yeah I agree it's very unlikely to happen, have been talking a bit with Sandro as well. They however have to at least deal with Palmar as soon as possible and if they're doing that they might as well finish me at the same time..
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On January 23 2013 03:20 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 03:16 sandroba wrote:
@palmar that attack was indeed weird but the subsequent posting doesn't feel mafia oriented to me. Actually plenty of the quotes you posted are kinda townie, freaking out about how you are getting so many votes is one of them. His stutters being mafia read is okay with me, his gonzaw being mafia read is kinda weird I guess, but I've thought about it as well.
I'd much prefer to lynch into annul/bke/stutters tomorrow. Looking at how things have gone yesterday an inactive mafia team looks much more likely. JieXian is no longer on your list? mkfuba?
Both Sandro and I agree that it makes no sense to lynch into mkfuba / JX right now with both of them voting you d1. I had JX down as "probably mafia" in my sheet but Annul is as well and I don't see a reason to lynch into any of mkfuba/JX before lynching Annul, maybe BKE.
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When I say people are idiots I mean "people behave like idiots".
I'm not a mean person, or at least it's not intended to be mean but rather my approach on a current situation / happening ʕ·ᴥ·ʔ
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On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote:
I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response.
this exactly.
On a sidenote for medics: Don't forget about gonzaw. That guy probably needs protection as well. So if you're a medic and don't know what to do, at least consider protecting WBG / Gonzaw / Sandro.
I'm not going to tell you my target.
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On January 23 2013 03:53 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote:
I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response. But it doesn't make sense from a town perspective to be honest. Like....he instantly OMGUSes me back on D1, seemingly accusing me of being scum, but backtracks it for some reason (saying "This doesn't mean I think he's scum"). That felt out of the ordinary almost instantly, and didn't seem like a townie would post that at all. Now it seems to me he wanted to stay "consistent" with that. Since he already posted "some" suspicion on me, I would think it wouldn't be that "hard" for him to just keep up with it to the "extreme". Also I've had my fair share of scum just blatantly OMGUSing me and FoSing me for no reason in like, every single game I'm town  I think you guys are attributing a little too much meaning to something that maybe doesn't matter at all.
well yeah, maybe.
Thing is we need one guy lynched tomorrow. I see no reason to lynch into those guys that have those kind of things that might or might not be worth something as a towntell. Doesn't have to be towntell, but why not just lynch the guy that doesn't have those aspects in the first place.
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On January 23 2013 04:01 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote:On January 23 2013 03:53 gonzaw wrote:On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote:
I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response. But it doesn't make sense from a town perspective to be honest. Like....he instantly OMGUSes me back on D1, seemingly accusing me of being scum, but backtracks it for some reason (saying "This doesn't mean I think he's scum"). That felt out of the ordinary almost instantly, and didn't seem like a townie would post that at all. Now it seems to me he wanted to stay "consistent" with that. Since he already posted "some" suspicion on me, I would think it wouldn't be that "hard" for him to just keep up with it to the "extreme". Also I've had my fair share of scum just blatantly OMGUSing me and FoSing me for no reason in like, every single game I'm town I think you guys are attributing a little too much meaning to something that maybe doesn't matter at all. well yeah, maybe. Thing is we need one guy lynched tomorrow. I see no reason to lynch into those guys that have those kind of things that might or might not be worth something as a towntell. Doesn't have to be towntell, but why not just lynch the guy that doesn't have those aspects in the first place. Well, I prefer lynching scum over "some guys" But yeah, we obviously still have time, and night actions tonight can change a few things. But I don't want people assuming Oats is town for some weak reasons. Like if I die or even if scum go all in and Five gets killed, and Oats is scum, then you+wbg would basically just let him live all game long lynching into lurkers. Oh, I almost forgot about the double-lynch I guess it makes sense to have a double-lynch on D3. I have a feeling we'll waste some of it on "lurkers", but we could count it as a "town-powered vig shot", in addition to the regular lynch that day
oh no, I have 7 people down as "not town" in my sheet. Yellow being "might be mafia" and orange being "probably mafia" (and red being "KILL IT WITH FIRE" but that's only for confirmed mafias). Oats is still very much yellow, he's just not orange anymore like Annul and BKE are for me.
I would definitly say we just lynch/shoot those 7 people, starting with the two orange ones.
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On January 23 2013 04:11 gonzaw wrote:
Is BKE orange just for being AFK all game (but avoiding modkill/replacement, unlike Clarity)?
Did he even post this N1?
yeah he is. Clarity is actually green for me
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On January 23 2013 04:52 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 04:42 sandroba wrote:
@palmar that's a bit of confirmation bias on your part. If you already think oats is mafia, yes, you can fit everything he posts into a mafia mindset, trying to explain how he is mafia in that situation. I really don't think we can tell for sure whether oats is mafia or not right now, because there are certain aspects of his posting that do feel a lot like a townie. My initial suspicion on Oats was based on when he called me out, I came back to the thread to answer him then posted something on JX, which he proceeded to ignore until Vivax brought it up. He then came up with a made up defense that looked bad.
Now if I set my mind on him thinking I'm scum I can see him ignoring my comment and being alarmed on someone ressurecting it afterwards, then defending my suspect based on his own bias. His subsequent posting look kinda townie as wbg pointed out, and I agree with his reasoning. Of course it's possible he is pretty good at scum and is faking all that, but I don't think it's likely, and at least we should chill a bit and check out subsequent behavior, especially regarding tomorrow's lynch. Simply enough, my read differs to you. From the mafia filter you linked: Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 00:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Currently I have a slight town read on yamato, however he seems to be acting differently as opposed to last game. Probably because he wants to improve like me, but you never know.
Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
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Im leaning slightly scum on yamato and kickstart
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Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
I changed my read on yamato because at that time, I had the impression that he was null to slightly town, then when I looked through yamato's filter, I found some scummy stuff.
He starts out with the introductory post then has no content otherwise.
That gives me the impression that he is asking questions to look involved and notice, he asked so many questions to axle who looked ill-equipped to answer, so its not very effective in finding scum.
A contradiction, albeit the other way round. A mafia Oatsmaster has problems keeping his story consistent. In any case, you're right that I don't need to push it right now. Suffice to say I disagree with bugs' reasons to call him town.
Bugs isn't caling him town I think (neither am I), we're calling him less of a good lynch than when considered him 24 hours ago.
Like I said, he's still one of the 7 people labeled as not-town for me, just not the primary guy.
At least that's what I'm reading out of bugs posts.
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