okay, let us preempt this now.

mocsta is another mason. he is masoning me today. he masons me and tells me, among other things, that he thinks i am "60% likely" to be scum. so i laughed at him and told him i was done talking to him.

the bottom line is this: we have something like 6 masons in the game so far? at least this is what people are claiming? we know of ONE mafia mason. it makes no sense for there to be 5 town masons in the game and only 1 mafia mason. therefore, at least one of the remaining three reds are also mason.

we should look at all masons in the game because among them is bound to be another red player.

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 07:27 GMT

#2961

i am going to format these PMs in a more readable format. i will make it look like a skype chat, although it happened on TL. stand by.

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 07:31 GMT

#2962

MOCSTA: "Annul, I have masoned you, normally I wait for BC to confirm before PM'n, but I have to leave for the next 8-12hrs. You said save Chez for tomorrow. Can you please share your thoughts on why you think he is town? (I have been sticking up for him too) What do you make of him immediately accusing Bugs of checking him when framed as well.."

ANNUL: i do not think he is town. i am mad hatter and my bomb is on him. if he gets lynched, i lose the bomb. therefore, it is better to spend our time trying to find the 5th mafia and leaving him up. he will not be contributing to KP (since BKE is sure to flip red... they will have 1 KP from now until the end of the game regardless) so his presence here is moot. however, hatter with an active bomb is a huge endgame advantage for us if it gets to that point. furthermore, i can move my bomb tonight onto someone random if we can't agree on a lynch for day 4 and we can pop chez tomorrow no problem.

MOCSTA: Wow interesting development. can u pls confirm the lack of activity at the start of the game? It felt like more than just lasertag

MOCSTA (couple hours later): I am still waiting a response

ANNUL: no, i actually tell the truth when i play this game. it was a laser tag tournament and then i went to sleep.

MOCSTA: Hi sorry if u thought i implied u lied. I wasnt. Irl is irl. Im actually asking why u continuef to be absent post day1. If absent is too strong a word. Then take minimal contributor. As a vet i would have thought u would be up to speed quickly

ANNUL: as you saw, at the start of day 2 they were still on my ass. i had to take defensive maneuvers to ensure i lived day 2. as you can see, it worked. now it is day 3, my power is online, and i am active once more. =]

MOCSTA: Y do u want a list of masons

ANNUL: there have been a bunch of masons claimed, and at least one of them is a mafia mason. it makes no sense for there to be SIX (or more!) masons and mafia to only have one of them.

MOCSTA: K.. i have information on masons.. vivax doesnt. give me your list first pls

ANNUL: i have no list. you are the first mason i can confirm. toad is almost certainly mason as well. grush claimed mason. and gonzaw was a mason. so i have four claimed/confirmed masons i am aware of.

MOCSTA: I am still developing trust between us. I dont like when ppl claim as u have in general. It makes me uneasy. To hand an olive branch. I will share that i masonrd Chez day1 and ft day2. I know more masons than this though...

ANNUL: what percentage chance (0% = guaranteed town, 100% = guaranteed mafia) do you think i am mafia?

MOCSTA: Before the hatter i wsd 40%...now 50 to 60.... Next q

ANNUL: then we have no further need to converse.

MOCSTA: Interesting approach. Very Similar to chezinu. Noted. 50 doesnt exist anymore.

MOCSTA: Oohh mr mafia man, im so bored, why dost you not enchant me with your mad hattery wisdom?

(end of logs)

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 08:45 GMT

#2968

i knew where it was going. time to head it off at the pass before it gets there. i am not going to allow a potential red to frame the discussion against me. fact is, you are a mason. logic dictates that there is at least one more mason on the red team. maybe it's you? your faux-aggression against me in a mason PM, plus your attempt to defend chez to me by utterly miscategorizing my position (seriously, do you even read the thread?) and your goal to put me on the defensive as if i have to "give you information" because of your "suspicions" is very, very red-like behavior.

i would not be surprised if you were vivax's red check, but alas, nothing said here today matters whatsoever because in the end, the fifth and final red will be revealed anyway... barring a LUCKY framer n2.

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 09:06 GMT

#2970

"knowledge he had of me night 1"

and what "knowledge" is this? he had no "knowledge" of you night 1 because nobody can have "knowledge" of anyone night 1. any DT checks etc would not be returned until dawn of day 2 anyway. so, what are you implying? hax? did he find BC/kurumi's spreadsheet?

or maybe your arguments are fabrications?

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 09:07 GMT

#2971

alright, you are as good a choice as any. i think you are a mafia mason. that means its BKE, chez, and you... and since chez is bombed by me, you will be my vote for today.

##vote BKE + mocsta

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 09:09 GMT

#2972

AND HEY TOWN: please stop voting chez today. there is literally no reason whatsoever to vote him today. none. save my bomb and pile onto him on a future day if we absolutely whiff today. an active hatter is much more important to have in a potential late game scenario.

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 11:11 GMT

#2976

btw vivax needs to post his check pretty much ASAP so we can adjust our plans for the day

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 13:27 GMT

#2987

the thing is, i am not "just a VT."

i made my move not for midgame power but for endgame domination. if it gets to endgame, having someone mafia CANNOT kill at night is a fucking huge advantage. but for this to be true, my bomb needs to remain active.

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 16:11 GMT

#3051

wait so i am confused

vivax checked mocsta? that is his red check?

i am going to sleep VERY soon so like is this the vote? BKE and moc?

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 16:13 GMT

#3054

.... wat

can you quote that for me please, i must have missed that

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 16:13 GMT

#3055

oh never mind i am a dumb. okay.

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 16:15 GMT

#3057

well fuck, i still think you should not vote chezinu. there is LITERALLY only a potential neg negative about a chez lynch today. mafia do not get any extra KP for his survival today.

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 16:17 GMT

#3059

you can lynch him at any point in the future

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 16:17 GMT

#3060

we have like 7 cycles to do things with. no need to waste a blue power.

annul

United States2841 Posts

January 27 2013 16:19 GMT

#3062

how is it this difficult for people to understand the logic? he is not going to have any effect on the game whatsoever, and we would need to lynch #5 eventually anyway. what difference does the order make when they are at 1 KP from now on?