EPTMasoning a townie and telling him is a better option I think.
It gives scum a lot of info for like the 0.001% chance they'll go all in and kill both Toad/Five and somehow get away with it.
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gonzaw
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Masoning a townie and telling him is a better option I think. It gives scum a lot of info for like the 0.001% chance they'll go all in and kill both Toad/Five and somehow get away with it. | ||
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gonzaw
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It's like he thinks Oats is more likely town than Toad/sandro/me/maybe even you Five | ||
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gonzaw
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Like, it even happened with me. When you made your first post you were just some "noob" or "unknown guy" trying to appear like you were contributing and the like, you weren't "Palmar's/syllo's smurf leading town to victory" by then. I could see Oats changing his mind about you in that frame of time if he's town (as well as if he's scum like you said), so maybe that's what sandro/wbg/toad are arguing about. I think it'd be better to just stop that argument of "he changed his mind about Five!", and focus on other damning things about his play, like him being super angry for no reason and making a shitty OMGUS on me following with a bad case | ||
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gonzaw
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Of course what I mean is I want wbg and the like to address those points as well. | ||
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gonzaw
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You can't just call someone 90-95% town (or 95% confident he's town) out of nowhere and not expect us to think he's one of your "strongest" reads, at least based on "weak" reasoning. | ||
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gonzaw
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What do you think of his actual "case" against me? Without taking into account WIFOM as "he wouldn't go against a strong mayor candidate!" and the like | ||
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But well, guess there's no point in beating this bush if we'll be arguing all night about it. I'm not that confident in lynching BKE just yet. It sucks that he completely missed D1, but we need to give him a chance to do something. It's kind of bad how he hasn't tried to use this N1 to make up for lost time on D1 though, I don't even remember him posting. | ||
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Wtf? Is this even real? | ||
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On January 23 2013 06:45 annul wrote: "OH YAY WE GOT A RED YAY" is a nothing post, and more often than not is a sign of someone being red It's not about a "Yeah guys nice work!" post, it's about attitude. Right now you seemed pissed off, you came into the thread pissed off against Vivax and yamato and being all aggressive as shit. How the fuck am I supposed to believe you'd have that attitude after a pretty good game so far for town? What possible town motivation is there for you to come in starting shitting on everything? | ||
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On January 23 2013 06:45 DearestSnot wrote: you've played with annul before, right? I know he's not stupid, but his play right now is so bad he pretty much has to be scum. You agree? I never played with annul before, but this is just so obviously stupid/bad/etc. It only reminds me of all those other "scum vets" I've played with in Bureaucracy and Liar Game: -Ignore everything -Shit on everything -Be pessimist about everything, even if town lynched 10 scum in succession -Keep shitting on everything This is almost exactly what half the scum team played in Bureaucracy. | ||
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On January 23 2013 06:48 annul wrote: i am aggressive when people break the rules and attack me, personally, in a way entirely unrelated to the game, instead of my arguments. "asshat" "child" these things have no place in mafia. Oh right, like these posts, ones that happened before people called you "asshat" or "child" are not aggressive and "pessimist" either: On January 23 2013 05:58 annul wrote: you realize i attacked vivax first right lol in fact i have your filter up and the first vivax attack you make is like 12 hours after i make mine. if anything, you deserve inspection for blatant lies to the game On January 23 2013 06:00 annul wrote: i find it interesting though because i am still on vivax, and you seemed to be pretty harshly on him (in fact, blatantly calling him scum... not "i suspect" or "i have reads" but you were SURE of it) and now you want to go after the one who called him out first before you? 1. why? 2. what made you stop thinking its vivax? On January 23 2013 06:02 annul wrote: i also think its funny how toad is SHERIFF (aka cant be DT'd) and he and vivax i suspected the most. now toad wants me dead too. hmmmm. also, mafias get "some number" of masons in addition to any other roles they have. his mason post means absolutely nothing. also, we have absolutely no way to confirm that those are real logs, or that they haven't been doctored in any way, etc. its funny cuz toad uses his mason as "town cred" and he is sheriff which cannot be DT'd... and mafia can mason day 1 all the same... | ||
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But don't get complacent just because we lynched scum on D1. | ||
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Unless some of them were a vig shot. Oats, you seem to be active, why haven't you addressed my response to your "case"? Five, could have scum killed you+Toad last night if both debears+Oats were scum and "subbed in"? | ||
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gonzaw
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Derp debears already asked that question. Dunno what to think about the BGs. I'd take a guess and say that at least one of those is town, since I doubt scum would have the balls to make 2 scum BGs. I'd say debears is the townie and Oats is the scum. Although meh this works anyway. If Oats/debears is town, then scum have to kill them/him to kill Five/Toad, so maybe they'd even do us a favor killing the townie out of them. | ||
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On January 23 2013 10:38 DearestSnot wrote: you saw JieXian and Djodref being shot by scum? wtf? I always see scum doing weird shit with night kills. Every time you expect some guys to be killed they killed others, etc. I didn't really think Jiexian or Djoref were scum, so I'm not surprised they were offed. | ||
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On January 23 2013 10:42 DearestSnot wrote: why is gonzaw asking dumb questions? He just asked that question which is easily answered by reading the OP. In fact, it doesn't even have anything to do with...anything. Dunno what question is that? The BG ones? Just wanted to make sure, but yeah I haven't read the OP in a while lol. Also, he says he didn't expect sandro to be shot, but he expected the others to be shot, UNLESS they were vigi shots???? There's a slight chance one of those was a vig shot. If they weren't vig shots, then yeah. Also it's not like "I expected them to be shot", but rather than they weren't surprising. I may have used the wrong choice of words there. No, I'm assuming one of them is surely TOWN. It's more speculation than assumption though. Ignore it if you want. you act as if they could not have been vig shots. You realize that was a minimum of 3 KP, right? Either they used a jack shot or a vig shot one of those players. How are you so sure scum shot both JieXian and Djo? Christ dude, I saw all the KP and assumed they were all scum shots, at least until proven otherwise by a vig claim, etc. It was also a passing comment. *sigh* me and my big mouth. | ||
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I am not sure why I'm suddenly discussed as D2 lynch today for no reason (what I managed to skim), but I won't be lynched today if town doesn't derp. | ||
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On January 23 2013 10:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Gonzaw, Not following up on questions and scumreads makes you scum because you just ask those questions for the sake of asking questions and not to find scum I asked those questions to get info from people, which they did (I think, I don't remember much), and to get a better read on Stutters/Clarity if people had anything valuable to add. Do you understand the meaning of questioning? It means to directly ask someone something. Mentioning that he is a townread without following up on your point seems scummy because it looks like you are just making conversation and following the flow of the thread. Why did you expect me to "question" Vivax? Why Vivax out of everybody? I don't see how this is relevant at all. Oatsmaster: Testing the waters on whether he should push a stutters or clarity lynch. Gonzaw: How does that make sense in a mayor election D1? :/ Because people will also vote for the mayor because they agree with the lynch that the mayor pushes, so if the thread generally thinks that stutters or clarity is scum, you can push their lynch as part of your campaign. It obviously doesn't work that way, if I was mayor I could lynch whoever the fuck I want, whether people "agree" with it or not. If I was just "testing the waters" to "gain support", then it doesn't work that way either. You don't elect a mayor just because he's pressuring someone you agree is pressuring. And whether this works this way or not, how do you suddenly conclude this is what I did as, in your mind, scum mayor? This is all confirmation bias from your part, "ah, if gonzaw was a scum mayor, then he could have been 'testing the waters' with what he was posting!". Overall, it seems like Gonzaw thinks that im bad, OMGUS, and just discredits my case that way. Wow, this misses the point so much it hurts. Oats, you out of nowhere said "There is mafia in the mayor candidates!", randomly chose me, and started using heavy confirmation bias. The "bad" thing is your case, I never called you bad. The point is that it's hard as shit for me to think you believe the shit you are saying. Your "case" on me comes out of nowhere, has basically no valid point at all, yet it's somehow enough for you to instantly believe I'm scum. There's no thought process of yours stating why you had this change of stance on me (i.e why you suddenly think I'm suspicious as fuck), and had basically no reasoning at all behind it. You just hopped on someone's ass to ride along and tunnel, without seemingly caring if he's actually scum or not. There was always the chance you were just "bad" with your initial case, but it doesn't seem to be the case since you are not following up on it at all, and are just using it as an excuse to jump on my ass, and apparently on the bandwagon that can be formed on me. Yeah, I can't see you doing that as town at all Oats. Specially not after the shit JingleHell pulled on me on Aperture 2; I won't fall for that again. As far as your "meta" goes, I don't really like looking at lots of past games unless I'm not actually sure about someone's else alignment; but briefly skimming what other's posted about your previous town/scum games is even more incriminating in my mind. ##Vote: OatsMaster Oat's attacks on me can't come from a townie, period. I'd prefer lynching him today, and maybe leaving annul for a vig. Hopefully there was a vig last night and he decided to hold his shot. If not we can kill him with the double-lynch tomorrow, which (in my mind) is there for that reason. Just in case some people still want to lynch me, I'll address the things said against me in a few minutes. | ||
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