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On January 22 2013 07:04 Toadesstern wrote:
gonzaw vote me now :p
I'll see if I get some votes first. I prefer you over austin though, so if it comes down to it I'll change my vote to you.
Skimmed JieXian's filter but didn't find anything. He participates in discussions and the like, don't really see him as scum now.
I don't know wtf Vivax is on, try to keep a cool head dude, and analyze behaviours and contributions, not petty shit like someone saying you were in the US and then saying you weren't; and stop overreacting if you are town.
I'm going to see a movie now, will still skim the thread.
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I believe the mason claim. I'd wait until sandro confirms he was indeed masoned, but that seems kind of pointless (he'll 99% will, otherwise Toad is a massive derp).
I had thought that sandro was the actual mason, with him being that "lazy" and all. I guess I was not that far off 
Seems some guys ninja-voted me huh? I can't say that doesn't feel "nice", but it seemed to come out of nowhere (without neither posting in thread and all).
Axle, are you there? What made you insta-vote me now and not keep your vote on Chezinu?
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Axle, care to answer my question?
Can we get an updated votecount?
I think Toad is now in the lead as sheriff, but I think some votes (like Axle's) weren't formated correctly so maybe they don't count.
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Hmm.
Okay, does someone feel like me or austin should be sheriff?
The voting is pretty close and there is little time left.
If someone is willing to vote me for sheriff I'll keep my vote, if not I'll vote Toad just in case (or maybe just leave it like it is since he's in the lead)
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BKE, any quick thoughts?
If right now you had to choose between me+austin+Toad+chezinu for sheriff, who would it be?
Dunno if you should vote since your vote would be "fucked up" since you didn't read, but at least post quick thoughts about it
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Why did you keep your vote on me like right before the deadline?
Well Five, I can't say I agree with the lynch, but meh it's better than others. I'd say we lynch Oats tomorrow then.
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On January 22 2013 10:01 Vivax wrote:
GET TOAD ELECTED FFS
Deadline is already over, and Toad got 4 votes before I did, so he's still getting elected.
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How much time does he have to choose?
If he has more than a few minutes he can still discuss it here I take it
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Like Chez...you know it's nice of you to vote for me in the end, but you did it way too late, without justification, in a joking matter, and it 100% wouldn't matter at all.
Other than just trying to fuck with us like you always do, why do that? Also why me and not austin for instance?
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Oh shit lol
I stand corrected.
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On January 22 2013 15:44 Oatsmaster wrote:Ok well Im thinking that at least one of the 4 mayor candidates yesterday is scum. And I think that the scum is Gonzaw. Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 15:36 gonzaw wrote:
I sincerely can't understand what Axle is posting :/
I could figure out he questioning Vivax on his campaign initially, and wanted to vote Chezinu, but I have no idea what "I sheep Toad, even if i needed to find all my own reasons" means
I also kind of skimmed/ignored parts of his last post since I didn't understand a thing.
Seemed pretty funny in pre-game...not so much now. Then never mentions Axle again.
That's, first of all, a lie, since I do remember asking Axle some questions and even responding to him.
Second of all, I didn't feel the need to address him that much last day, with the way he played I felt I should put my focus on other players, specially since it seemed he was being somewhat active in the thread and discussions (even if I couldn't fully understand what he's saying at times).
Third, how does that make me scum?
You can't be doing a PBPA just mentioning stuff about someone's play and somehow say that means he's scum. That's easy, that's lazy, and that's what scum do.
Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 05:43 gonzaw wrote:
I'm not enjoying this "aggressiveness" you are showing Vivax, seems too needlessly provocative.
Although you running for mayor in the first place (while being considered "not-vet" by most of us) doesn't really seem like something you'd do as scum, and maybe this "aggressiveness" stuff just means you are getting over-excited or something.
Meh, certainly not enough to make any call other than leaning slightly town on you (gut feeling) so I'll let that pass.
This reads as, Scummy, not scummy, meh I dont know. And then again, never questions Vivax at all.
No, it reads as,
Strange/weird, slightly scummy, has some other townie aspects in his play though that make me have a town gut feeling on him though.
You better actually read my filter though. "Never questions Vivax at all"....? How is this either true, or relevant?
I mentioned later Vivax's "all or nothing" play seemed more likely to be town, so it was better to just ignore all the shit he was saying and tell him to stop it.
Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 05:48 gonzaw wrote:On January 20 2013 18:32 sandroba wrote:
What questions are those? About not wanting to run? I don't have a satisfatory answer, I simply decided this pre game and has nothing to do with alignment. Well.........*sigh* I kind of feel this is "obvious scum sandroba", but obviously until he actually has the time to do something useful to town we can't do much about it :/ What kind of makes me "mad" about the "obvious scum vets" in games, is how people always let them be. Like, this happened with scum Foolishness in like 2 consecutive games where he lived until D5 or something. Either people ignore them, or say "meh, he could be town and thus could be an asset". These kind of people are so "obvious" scum (in a matter of speaking of course) when they roll scum and nobody does anything about it :/ I'd said sandro is one of those (maybe Palmar as well, although slightly less), based on the games I've obsed with him being scum (and Liar Game of course, where he lived...wait for it...until D5). I get the "if he's actually town he can be an asset" idea many people have.....but if he's just screaming scum at your face you can't try bullshitting your way out of that. Mentions Sandro and that he might be scum and AGAIN doesnt pressure him or nothing, not like you would do with your scum reads.
....did you actually read my filter?
I'll assume you didn't and wait until you do.
Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 05:51 gonzaw wrote:
Hmm, it seems funny to me that SO many people "voted" in this thread, yet there are like only 3 votes in the voting thread :/
This applies to Clarity, JieXian and others who put "##Vote: xxx" in here.
Is it that hard to find the Voting thread in the main page? Random post that doesnt help anyone and is fluff but he phrases it like it is alignment indicative whether people vote in the Voting thread. Throwing suspicion subtly.
No, it's not alignment-indicative, but it is stupidity-indicative.
It was just a passing comment about people seemingly forgetting how to play the game correctly, I didn't attribute anything alignment-related to that.
Again I fail to see how this makes me scum.
Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 13:52 gonzaw wrote:
Djoref, what do you think of Stutters? I didn't really notice you mentioning him that much.
Also, do you think Clarity has more chances of flipping scum than Oats or Stutters or maybe even sandro, etc? Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 14:03 gonzaw wrote:
EBWOP:
Oh well nevermind.
Speaking of which Mocsta, what do you think of Stutters and Clarity? I don't remember you mentioning them in your filter. Testing the waters on whether he should push a stutters or clarity lynch.
How does that make sense in a mayor election D1? :/
At that time there wasn't many mentions of those guys so I wanted some more feedback on them. Of course the both get better reads on them (if someone else finds something about their play for instance), and to get some discussion going.
Like, imagine I am scum for a moment, would I be so blunt as to just ask people about those guys to decide to "push" them and lynch those 2 like that out of nowhere?
Doesnt post about what the prp flip means to the reads that he has on the mayor and the people who pushed his lynch. Also, seems weird for a townie post. Therefore, out of the runners, I think that GONZAW is scum.
After the flip I felt a little relieved so decided to leave the thread to keep watching that movie I was watching, and then go to sleep. Didn't have any "sudden change of mind" that I'd feel I'd post.
My read on Five wouldn't change much, other than yeah after successful D1 lynch he obviously is pretty much town, but assuming he's syllo his play after mid-D1 made that kind of apparent anyway, so it's not like I'd change my read of the mayor.
This feels like a seriously lazy PBPA. He just randomly points out posts from my filter out of context and says "yeah this means he's scum" without any decent reasoning.
I could see maybe someone paranoid about the other candidates just straight up say "well, one of the mayor candidates must be scum...wait what if it's gonzaw? OMG I SOLVED THE GAME!" and get a little overexcited....but surely he wouldn't make a case this bad would he?
He wouldn't make a case this bad and just...leave it there.
I dunno why some of you guys think this case makes him townie because he "didn't go against annul or Chezinu".
First of all there's a chance he has a scumbuddy in that group, and he could have thought this was a safer way for him to "focus his activity".
Second, we are also forgetting about other "mayor candidates". If you count annul as a "serious mayor candidate", then you should count Clarity as well, and maybe Djoref, yamato, etc.
He did seem to "improve" his play recently, at least he's not screaming and swearing at everything every time; but it's not like I wouldn't expect such a slight change of play from scum that nearly got lynched D1.
I think it's likely there were 2 scum on the chopping block on D1, and scum couldn't do anything about it.
I'd expect the scum team to be relatively inactive or without participation last day, which basically exonerates Vivax/yamato/austin/Toad/etc from my eyes.
I still support an Oats lynch D2, but I guess I wouldn't mind an annul or stutters lynch.
Right now I just woke up so I haven't reread those too thoroughly yet, but gut tells me they are both likely scum anyways.
Stutters didn't have any involvement in the thread at all, and I don't remember him posting anything after being "called out" by me/austin.
annul just doesn't seem to be giving a shit for being considered a "vet".
If I had to take a guess at a scum team right now it'd be Oats+annul+Stutters+some inactive, like grush/BKE or maybe Clarity.
There's still the chance I'm wrong about some of them though, most likely, but if you put a gun against my head I'd kill those right now.
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I don't find Vivax's case convincing to be honest.
I skimmed it when he first posted it and it didn't convince me then either.
I guess the most "damning" thing in the case is Jiexian asking random questions, but some stuff about "following up the questions", or the first stuff about him "agreeing" with me, seems like nitpicking.
I don't really think JX should be a D2 lynch candidate.
On January 23 2013 02:32 JieXian wrote:
gonzaw : Started out good but ended up babbling to himself and giving empty promises. Don't trust him with reads and may be scum
What do you mean by this Jiexian?
I don't remember giving any empty promises.
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I get better vibes out of sandro after that chat log.
Even though I'm not comfortable with him being this lazy, something tells me he'd try and be more active as scum, at least slightly.
Like, Toad instantly masons him as soon as D1 starts, and they start chatting. This already gives Toad some "activity" from sandro, but sandro doesn't feel the need to "channel" that activity in the thread?
I'd think scum sandro, when finding (likely town) Toad mason contacted him, and they started talking, he'd try to mirror that activity in the thread.
Also, as I suspected pretty early, sandro being mason with someone would explain some lack of effort from him, since some of that effort would be spent in the mason chat (don't really know how much time you guys chatted though).
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On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote:
I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response.
But it doesn't make sense from a town perspective to be honest.
Like....he instantly OMGUSes me back on D1, seemingly accusing me of being scum, but backtracks it for some reason (saying "This doesn't mean I think he's scum").
That felt out of the ordinary almost instantly, and didn't seem like a townie would post that at all.
Now it seems to me he wanted to stay "consistent" with that. Since he already posted "some" suspicion on me, I would think it wouldn't be that "hard" for him to just keep up with it to the "extreme".
Also I've had my fair share of scum just blatantly OMGUSing me and FoSing me for no reason in like, every single game I'm town
I think you guys are attributing a little too much meaning to something that maybe doesn't matter at all.
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Also:
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum
Well, if ALL the mayoral candidates are town, then this feels exactly like a "cornered scum" would do.
I mean, if ALL of me+Toad+austin+Chez+Five are town, then it'd make sense for scum to make townies suspicious of the mayoral candidates.
If he attacks me, he is still implicitly saying "There IS a scum in the mayoral candidates"; which even if he somehow manages to misslynch me or I die at some point or anything happens, it still means that he'll likely pursue that previous idea as well, maybe targeting Chez or austin later.
It may be a stretch, and assuming all mayor candidates being town is dangerous, but I certainly see it as a possibility
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On January 23 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 03:53 gonzaw wrote:On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote:
I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response. But it doesn't make sense from a town perspective to be honest. Like....he instantly OMGUSes me back on D1, seemingly accusing me of being scum, but backtracks it for some reason (saying "This doesn't mean I think he's scum"). That felt out of the ordinary almost instantly, and didn't seem like a townie would post that at all. Now it seems to me he wanted to stay "consistent" with that. Since he already posted "some" suspicion on me, I would think it wouldn't be that "hard" for him to just keep up with it to the "extreme". Also I've had my fair share of scum just blatantly OMGUSing me and FoSing me for no reason in like, every single game I'm town I think you guys are attributing a little too much meaning to something that maybe doesn't matter at all. well yeah, maybe. Thing is we need one guy lynched tomorrow. I see no reason to lynch into those guys that have those kind of things that might or might not be worth something as a towntell. Doesn't have to be towntell, but why not just lynch the guy that doesn't have those aspects in the first place.
Well, I prefer lynching scum over "some guys"
But yeah, we obviously still have time, and night actions tonight can change a few things.
But I don't want people assuming Oats is town for some weak reasons. Like if I die or even if scum go all in and Five gets killed, and Oats is scum, then you+wbg would basically just let him live all game long lynching into lurkers.
Oh, I almost forgot about the double-lynch
I guess it makes sense to have a double-lynch on D3. I have a feeling we'll waste some of it on "lurkers", but we could count it as a "town-powered vig shot", in addition to the regular lynch that day
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Is BKE orange just for being AFK all game (but avoiding modkill/replacement, unlike Clarity)?
Did he even post this N1?
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wbg, what do you think of Oat's attack of me?
Disregard the "he's attacking a strong player that can backlash!" comment and focus on his actual points and what he is saying.
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Do you guys really think he's Palmar? Wtf?
If he is mad props to him for completely changing his posting style, but he seriously is like 99% syllo in my mind
Just look at the way he approaches his suspicions and discusses them, and how he takes "leadership" of town.
He's syllo, end of the argument.
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