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On January 28 2013 01:36 FiveTouch wrote: Toad, why don't you just answer his question?  it is an answer. I don't think we can get something meaningful out of austins activity right now. Nor out of his "ninjavote". | ||
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If I remember correctly at that point in time something like FT / Toad / Yamato / chez was supposed to be team mafia according to you, wasn't it ? | ||
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You had reads that completly disagreed with everything someone said. You're supposed to have had a red check on gonzaw. You tell people not to protect Bugs, our unclaimed DT and mafia ends up killing him. And on top of that you also check him. That sounds kind of convenient, doesn't it? I mean what are the chances for that happening? | ||
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No explanation on gonzaw check when everyone thought he is town d1+n1 and everyone realized gonzaw is looking bad once the nighthits came him. No explanation was needed and Vivax didn't understand the situation. Vivax apparently thought gonzaw is mafia although he never explained a thing about gonzaw. No explanation on his bugs check and why he picked him although bugs was literally mod confirmed at that time and on top of that our DT. He might have picked just picked it up when I kept answering instead of just ignoring him and Annul (remember how those two kept telling me to out Bugs as DT + the other guy?). My bad for talking about that instead of just ignoring people but there's no reason to ask me to out a blue whatsoever. He keeps on stalling people like he did with his check d2 and he did it this cycle again instead of just giving us something so we know where we're at. It could have very well been a bus on gonzaw and the check on bugs is still incredibly convenient, isn't it? There was 1 guy who died, a single guy out of 1951961169 people who doesn't provide ANY kind of information and Vivax conventiently choose him. I'd rather take a look at wether he's mafia before lynching into slight townreads that just aren't confirmed yet like Yamato / whoever else. On top of that he is supposed to be a DT while we already saw Bugs flip DT and I know more blue roles. It does look strange. | ||
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Anyways that meanas mafia doublestacked Bugs. That also means there's 2 people we have to look out for. I don't like Annuls question about mad hatters and wether their bomb would explode when lynched to be honest. Not that I know the answer, but I would know the answer because I would have asked the host about that way earlier if I were a madhatter. Should have voted for doublelynch so we can go after 2 people. That way we again would have made sure that we at least hit one guy... ALSO: I'm probably not going to tell you what to do with your medic protection tonight. | ||
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D1 here's what happened: I asked Gonzaw to vote for me to make me sheriff. He said he'll look into it and vote me if he won't get enough votes. He keeps his vote on himself until 5 minutes (by heart..) prior to deadline and sticks with it because he has 3 votes. HOWEVER he said he's fine with both austin and me and I think he was more fine with austin being sheriff than me. Have to check it but it looks odd. On top of that look at Chez' votes: austin -> BKE -> gonzaw 1 minute prior to deadline. On top of that if we assume Sandro (voting austin), axle (99% certain townie) and mocsta (most likely townie due to double mason flip) that leaves oats, Gonzaw and austin as people on austin / gonzaw. Gonzaw was mafia. Let's say oats is town for now. That means they can only get one to 4 without using a ninjavote from chez to push it to 5 which they MOST LIKELY didn't want to risk because that would have made it look really odd. | ||
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[16:29:26] Mystery Man: hm [16:32:22] Mystery Man: austin defended prplhz a lot day 1 [16:32:26] Mystery Man: like [16:32:33] Mystery Man: a metric fuckton [16:32:42] Mystery Man: go through his filter eith cntrl+f on prplhz [16:32:57] Mystery Man: it's goddamn everywhere holy shit [16:33:51] Mystery Mane: dude he's mafia [16:33:55] Mystery Man: he's fucking mafia | ||
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that was at a time when we were dead certain about BKE and chez both being mafia. I'd say he's a good option again. On January 29 2013 00:36 FiveTouch wrote: The problem is, this is incorrect. He stated more than once he preferred you to austin. well yeah, but he never did... Just check austins filter. | ||
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i mean, same could be said about Chez. He had 3 votes if not 4 at some point and ended up with 2 votes I think? | ||
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On January 29 2013 00:47 FiveTouch wrote: He never did, but so what? gonzaw never even left the door open for him being able to vote for austin, because if he voted for austin after saying he preferred you, he'd be caught immediately. He didn't vote for you in the end because a) he's mafia and b) you already had the position. you don't think that this one [16:29:26] Mystery Man: hm [16:32:22] Mystery Man: austin defended prplhz a lot day 1 [16:32:26] Mystery Man: like [16:32:33] Mystery Man: a metric fuckton [16:32:42] Mystery Man: go through his filter eith cntrl+f on prplhz [16:32:57] Mystery Man: it's goddamn everywhere holy shit [16:33:51] Mystery Mane: dude he's mafia [16:33:55] Mystery Man: he's fucking mafia means anything? You don't think that his recent lurkerish attitude doesn't mean anything? Maybe Bugs, you and I are dominating the discussion too much but austin usually is a guy who's posting some. | ||
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Same could be / could have been said about Annul and BKE... So probably lynching people like stutters / fuba first? | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:00 austinmcc wrote: Filter's worse than that. I was all blah about prplhz D1, found Gonzaw townie, and somewhat pushed to save Gonzaw D2. I noted that one of the reasons not to make me mayor was that I'd be busy until the end of the month with work. That was an understatement. I'm posting WAY less and reading WAY less than usual, I know. That will most likely continue until the end of January, or whenever I can get my work out the door. That said, I don't see it making sense for both Gonzaw and I to run as third-place folks when we could have consolidated. If I were mafia and trying to save Gonzaw D2, I should have: (1) started talking about a possible frame from the very outset, to maybe keep votes off him BEFORE they got there; (2) shut up and let Gonzaw die, given that so many votes had been dropped on him and it was unlikely I'd save him before the end of D2. I don't usually give a crap about insta-delurks but that was a funny one :p Anyways, I don't mind the "you would not have run alongside with gonzaw" at all because as we can see Chez did as well and he had a decent amount of votes. Pretty sure he was ahead of me most times and yet both Chez and Gonzaw ended up running. With townies being split (like Sandro on you, WBG telling people not to vote me and I voted myself) mafia might have thought it's a good way to not make it look fishy by getting all votes on one guy for no reason and though it's possible without risking that. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:00 austinmcc wrote: (2) shut up and let Gonzaw die, given that so many votes had been dropped on him and it was unlikely I'd save him before the end of D2. and that one sounds weird to me. I don't know... maybe some native could tell me if it does sound weird in english but when I think about it in german it does sound weird. I just don't know about this "I would". As in, does it sound weird at all to you? If it does, is it because it's wrong tenses or is it because it sounds weird on itself. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:14 FiveTouch wrote: It sounds fine to me. It's not a point in austin's favour, though, because he's clever enough to know that he'd be able to use this argument in the future (i.e. now). Because actually the fact that gonzaw was unsaveable means any clever mafia could opposite and later go "omgz, why would I do that, it's so silly!!!!" yeah with him telling us that post was prepared ahead of time he DID think of it ahead of time... which townies rarely do because they think everyone think they're town. Just look at how I called myself confirmed town d1 :p To post that within 30minutes is odd with that reasoning imo. I'd still go for someone of a lower caliber first though. I know most people don't like set-up / balance speculation like that but I really think Chez + Prplhz + Gonzaw + another vet (BKE / austin imo... could have thought about that earlier) doesn't make an awful lot of sense. | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:25 FiveTouch wrote: Just gonna say it now, I'm never not going to lynch someone for balance reasons. what do you make of madhatter + madhatter + DT + DT + you know all the stuff I know as well ? | ||
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On January 29 2013 01:33 FiveTouch wrote: Well, that's more setup rather than balance  The only somewhat conclusions I've drawn are the mason mafia/town ratio. yeah the masons look good now. | ||
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