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Toadesstern
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On January 25 2013 15:45 Chezinu wrote: yeah, its kind of true. I do skip segments. I something ctrl+F Chez if I need to catch up. Kind of like last game where I didn't know why jackal was being lynched. I voted thrawn. okay let's say one out of : Chez + BKE + mkfuba flips green. Who is the last mafia? | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 25 2013 15:48 Chezinu wrote: the "nonconfirmed" towns on this list. 6. oatsmaster 7. debears 11. axlegreaser 17. Grush - innocent if mocsta is mafia 20. mocsta - innocent if grush is mafia 21. Broodkingexe I can actually point to 4 confirmed townies on that list. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 25 2013 17:15 AxleGreaser wrote: @Debears I am trying to understand something, you can help The something I am trying to understand is what people regard as valid argument of substance. What I want from you though is an estimate about what you might do in various situations I did for instance see recent SK claim by you... So I a personally am not sure what i would rule out if you were scum. Dont worry I think some people think your town even if Oats is flavor of the evening with Gonzaw dead My problem primarily I believe is in understanding just how much .....? To guess that other players have Look at Toads comment + Show Spoiler + On January 24 2013 16:28 Toadesstern wrote: again, look at the timestamp. Debears was like the first guy to vote palmar. Yep I know its town read like thing on you. And its night and I dont do that but this is a little different. My problem is I think at that time in the game if you were scum you might well have the balls to hitch yourself to such wagon. If the at that time smurf did become mayor and kill scum D1.... Then you being in so early could be seen as good thing. On the other hand isnt piling on stuff really fast described as sheeping. I really dont get it. That claim by Toad that cant be the reason he was arguing you were town can it? You see my problem is when he says stuff like that, which is easy to do then easy to do feels wrong to me. If its true it cant be his actual reason then I can start resetting my what is scummy meter somewhere else. + Show Spoiler + To dumb to be tel? Why is that important. Well there is distinction between being useful to town and shitting up the thread. I really do want to ask Annul about his OMGUS vote back at dearest snot at the start of D2. Trouble is I wifom myself out of it by saying yeah but thats so flipping obvious it cant be knee jerk reaction.... or can it or... Similarly with Toads Town read reason for you. It is true that in my model I hand out townie points for things like what you did (Vote for the likely smurf mayor) .... or take them off it it looked expedient... Do note he wouldn't have been "likely" at all at that time, unless perhaps you had an inkling who he really was and that as that became more apparent .... In the end it seemed to me that Five touch got elected for reasons that I simply am not privy to. Dont like mason games..... mafias don't sheep people voting your buddies early on. Debears was either the first or the 2nd guy who voted Palmar / Marv once he announced he's changing his lynch from oats to Prplhz. There is no reason to do that as mafia and yes it is sheeping. Townies as well as mafias sheep. No one cares wether debears is good, useful or anything else. We care about wether he's town or mafia and he is most certainly not mafia with that vote. Actually he's still the 6 most likely guy to flip mafia in my sheet but that's because everyone besides the bottom 4 are mayor townreads :p | ||
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Toadesstern
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I'll flip a coin tonight. If it's heads I'll jail BKE. If it's tails I'll jail Vivax. Just don't want vigs to shoot BKE when I'm jailing him and I don't want medics to waste protection on Vivax when there's about 0 chance he's getting shot because mafia will just RB him, assuming they have an RB like in 99% of every game on TL that isn't a pure vanilla game. One interesting thing to remember for possible medics: I can medic a person only ONCE per game, so if you're not sure what to do just protect WBG. I'd still say he's likely to be shot and there's exactly 0% chance for me to change my mind and protect him tonight. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 25 2013 19:30 Mocsta wrote: This logic doesnt make sense to me. If mafia RB vivax, why would they burn KP on him? Its one or the other, either way he doesnt get a DT check. You jailing him, he still doesnt get a DT check. Wheres the value? The only value i can see is if you think he will add value to scum hunting day3 without DT information. the value is that I think someone might be stupid enough to think vivax needs a protection. I'm forcing medics to protect something else with that statement :p I roleblock townies while protection so IF someone is going to waste protection on vivax let it at least be me in case I get tails that is. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 25 2013 20:37 Vivax wrote: Tell me Toad, why do you want to jail BKE? read the OP before telling me I'm doing something bad. You can't block shots that are delived by mafia. Jailing a mafia reduces their number. Right now there are 3 mafais. If I jail BKE they lose 1 KP for this night. Sounds better than protection a townie and blocking him to me, doesn't it? | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 25 2013 20:52 annul wrote: do not jail vivax. that's pretty stupid. let medic protect him so he can get a DT check off. also, if you jail BKE and he is mafia, then mafia get only 1 KP tonight. therefore, one medic on vivax would be enough: mafia cannot stack shots on him since they only have one shot. unless mafia RB works on your sheriff ability... i have no idea if it does. no one is going to shoot vivax. He claimed DT for christs sake.. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 25 2013 20:25 Vivax wrote: What the hell is this retarded post? You announce you're going to offensively jail a scum and you think they will let him make the kill? You're just setting yourself up to let me get shot. It's sad I'm the first to post this. you're the first to post this because you're, again, the only one in the thread who doesn't understand this game  Everyone else apparently understood it fine. Now we've at least got it confirmed I guess. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 25 2013 20:56 FiveTouch wrote: Was a roleblock claimed after Night 1 other than bugs? I don't think so but the kills are either retarded or attempted blue-snipes. I'm going with attempted blue-snipes since JX was pretty lurkish for example. So I'd say they might have rb'ed them as well for both the RB on a possible blue + hiding the RB. Of course it's possible that there's no RB to begin with but there's no way in finding that out. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 25 2013 21:25 Vivax wrote: Toad, actually do me a favour and don't flip a coin, simply don't protect me. If we have a medic, good, if we don't, good. can do, if the medic promises me to protect someone else than you. | ||
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On January 25 2013 22:15 Vivax wrote: It's possible, given I have much less experience than you. You should leave this talk for post game anyway, but I'll respond regardless. For now nothing is certain except that I both supported a prplhz lynch (although I had some doubts) and got a right check off N1 when almost no one was suspecting gonzaw, so your argument doesn't even stand based on what we have seen. Guessing 2/5 first and consecutively in such a big game is not easy. I had good reads so far, and what you say is not changing anything about that. It's always convenient to use insults and ad-hominem to have a reason to not respond properly. Yamato is a prime example of that. same can be said for me, except for the fact that the rest of my reads don't suck like balls. I told you a list of 7 players at the end of n1 / start of d2 out of which has 4 mafias in it, and at the start of n2 a list of 6 people that has 5 mafias in it (adding already dead mafias). And you're calling me mafia :p | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 25 2013 23:58 Vivax wrote: That's exactly what I'm saying. A BKE jail HAS to happen. But only annul so far has shown what needs to be done to make sure THAT it happens. Toad will do what the fuck he wants if you don't make it crystal clear that he has to jail BKE tonight or you will lynch him (Toad). gonna be honest. Never thought about tossing a coin and already sent in "jail BKE" 10 hours ago... I just need the medic to listen to me and the medic knows what I'm doing so again: medic listen to everything I say, it is of utmost importance tonight that you do exactly as I say and not protect vivax. Not even kidding. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 26 2013 00:19 FiveTouch wrote: Why are you posting this? This is terrible. Come on Toad. because everyone figured it out thanks to vivax anyways... | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 26 2013 00:35 Vivax wrote: There is no reason to act like you're playing mindgames when mafia knows you're going to offensively jail anyway. You will always pick targets they're not going to shoot. You suspect BKE? You jail BKE. That's also valid for you FT, why are you suddenly asking to consider other targets when you've just written a case against BKE without even saying if you want him lynched or jailed? Pointless posts, Toad. it's about the medics targeting the right guy instead of targeting you... | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 26 2013 01:29 DearestSnot wrote: lololol it's like every time I leave the thread, I come back and it's inflated by several pages by Vivax raging at something he has no clue about and then it degenerates into him bragging for some unknown reason. I guess he conveniently forgot the townies he was tunneling d1 to say he's been right two times in a row LOL Anyway, just so that it's not gone unnoticed, Chezinu never answered my Oats question and his response to my query of scumreads was a list of players that omitted mkfuba. At this point if Chez is not scum I really do not know what to say. yeah I really thought about that as well and think i might be better of jailing Chez but I don't want to change everything now that I told vigs I'm jailing BKE and medics to protect you and bodyguards... | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 26 2013 02:25 annul wrote: hey WBG and fivetouch and toad who are your top three scum reads pl0x already said it's Chez, BKE mkfuba. Everyone else is either very likely town or even confirmed town. | ||
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Toadesstern
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IMPORTANT On January 25 2013 13:43 Toadesstern wrote: yeah pretty much that. On a sidenote now that we've got 2 mafias down: I will jail offensivly tonight. No need to protect Vivax if you're a medic. That guy is going to get roleblocked into eternity, assuming mafia has a RB and mafia ALWAYS has a RB. There's other people that are better of protected and I'm trusting your judgement on that one. ///Priority on Bugs: I can't safe him, ever again, keep him alive. We need his voice of reason in times of Vivax. If Bugs dies tonight I'll slap people postgame/// I'm still considering to jail Vivax isntead of an offensive jail because he's going to get RB'ed anyways and maybe mafias shoots him after all but I doubt it's going to happen. Repeat: I will most likely not use my powers to protect someone unless maybe Vivax. Your call what to do if you're a medic. It is of utmost importance that you do as I say. Don't do listen to anyone about what to protect but me. Thx. I will be jailing BKE | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 26 2013 02:46 Vivax wrote: Just think about why we lynched mafia last day. It wasn't cause you listened to Toad, FT and gonzaw wanting to kill Oats. I said I want to kill one out of BKE - Chez - gonzaw - oats, priority on BKE. So please shut up or stop telling lies. Again, I'll be REALLY mad if you screw up @medic. | ||
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