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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 16:51 GMT
#3359
I don't like all these claims.

I say we ignore the claims and judge based on play. What was the objection to Austin being mafia, that he and gonzaw would have split votes?

Seems weak. The evidence against him is stronger.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 16:55 GMT
#3361
On January 29 2013 01:54 FiveTouch wrote:
It's not weak at all, it's extremely strong.

Who do you think was mafia that voted either of them?

If they supposedly "split votes".
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 16:57 GMT
#3362
On January 22 2013 09:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Day 1 Votecount


austinmcc - 3
Oatsmaster
austinmcc
sandroba

gonzaw - 3
Gonzaw
mocsta
axlegreaser

The votecounts, for reference.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:00 GMT
#3363
Furthermore, look at Chezinu's behavior right before the deadline, immediately following that votecount:

On January 22 2013 09:58 Chezinu wrote:
##unvote

##vote austinmcc


On January 22 2013 09:59 Chezinu wrote:
##unvote

##vote BroodKingEXE


On January 22 2013 09:59 Chezinu wrote:
##unvote

##vote Gonzaw


What is going on there?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:07 GMT
#3368
Vivax with the assist!

I can't believe the two of us are seeing things you aren't, Marv.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:09 GMT
#3372
On January 29 2013 02:08 FiveTouch wrote:
And yet gonzaw supported Toad over austin, and austin never moved his vote over to gonzaw even though he could easily have done so without attracting suspicion :/

Sounds like you're more upset that this didn't happen than you are about it being a reason he isn't mafia.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:11 GMT
#3374
On January 29 2013 02:10 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 02:09 yamato77 wrote:
On January 29 2013 02:08 FiveTouch wrote:
And yet gonzaw supported Toad over austin, and austin never moved his vote over to gonzaw even though he could easily have done so without attracting suspicion :/

Sounds like you're more upset that this didn't happen than you are about it being a reason he isn't mafia.


This doesn't even make sense.

Your sad face there looks like disappointment rather than the typical, "No, I'm right, dear" Marvellosity.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:12 GMT
#3375
Also, I have my logs but they really, really don't matter.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:19 GMT
#3386
On January 29 2013 02:17 FiveTouch wrote:
Ok, so despite the fact that bugs (confirmed flipped town DT) and I are pretty damn certain austin isn't mafia, you guys want to lynch him. Great.

Your reason (singular) provided in defense of Austin is relatively minor in the face of what I've seen in his filter, and what we just witnessed.

Besides, you were wrong on Oats D2, and wrong on BKE D3. You are not infallible.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:20 GMT
#3388
On January 29 2013 02:18 FiveTouch wrote:
austin *could* be mafia, but I'd lynch a whole bunch of guys above him.

The reasons for annul/stutters/clarity/debears/fuba to be town are much weaker than for austin.

Funny how that list got longer since the last time you posted it.

Riddle me this: if both mafia are among that group, what hope do they have of winning?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:20 GMT
#3390
On January 29 2013 02:19 FiveTouch wrote:
I never said I was infallible, but when bugs and I have equally strong feelings about someone, it's usually a sign of something.

What's your "strong feeling" if you think he "could be mafia".
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:22 GMT
#3392
On January 29 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote:
Why are you asking me stupid questions?

Why are you defending someone with a weak piece of WIFOM?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:24 GMT
#3394
On January 29 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 02:22 yamato77 wrote:
On January 29 2013 02:22 FiveTouch wrote:
Why are you asking me stupid questions?

Why are you defending someone with a weak piece of WIFOM?


why don't you ask bugs the same thing?

Because he's dead, and you're alive, yet you're sheeping his reads blindly despite being a good player in your own right.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:25 GMT
#3396
BESIDES:

If mafia really wanted Gonzaw elected, they had the votes to surpass Toad.

Which means either they got someone elected, or they weren't really invested in getting elected. Either way Austin's run doesn't mean anything.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:25 GMT
#3397
On January 29 2013 02:24 FiveTouch wrote:
I've explained quite clearly why I agree with bugs.

Except you're dismissing the same reasoning we've both used as 'weak wifom'.

There's not a lot I can do about that.

How about give any other justification other than a one liner post bugs made over a cycle ago.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:27 GMT
#3400
On January 29 2013 02:26 FiveTouch wrote:
I've explained it repeatedly in the last couple of pages.

And obviously I disagree, with logic that is valid.

All you're doing right now is an appeal to authority which is incredibly weak.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:32 GMT
#3403
On January 29 2013 02:27 FiveTouch wrote:
OK, when two strong players reach the same conclusion on the same data, it's weak.

You must be right, I concede the point.

The only way you're right is if there's another mafia on Gonzaw, because that would give mafia no logical options to get him elected with.

prplhz was on you, wasting his vote intentionally.

Chezinu moved his vote around, ending up on Gonzaw.

Gonzaw was on himself.

Where were the other 2 votes, if mafia was actually invested in getting Gonzaw elected?

Do you really think Mocsta and Axle are mafia?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:34 GMT
#3404
Or clarity is mafia, because he didn't vote.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:37 GMT
#3406
You can't reliably say that the town votes on Austin would have gone to Gonzaaw, or vice-versa, if you're the mafia team on day 1.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 28 2013 17:41 GMT
#3407
What's troubling to me in this situation is that you're willing to overlook his repeated defenses of prplhz day 1 and his defenses and townreads on Gonzaw day 2. Those are like two gigantic blips on my scumdar.
Writer@WriterYamato
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