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On January 23 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 23:33 annul wrote:On January 23 2013 23:29 FiveTouch wrote:
With annul, there's a fair chance he's mafia. He refuses to contribute other than to speculate pointlessly, and repeatedly, on setup, or to make useless asides. It's made worse by the fact I explained to him about his play and he doesn't care. Nonetheless, there's something that makes me feel quite uncomfortable about him. I don't know how to express is very well. In any case, if he continues to play in a mafia-oriented fashion, we should lynch him as part of our double-lynch tomorrow.
who didnt see this coming please dont smurf next time, or if you do, tell me its you, so i can /out before the game. Annul sorry this is important for a guy like me who doesnt have context. You and Palmar seem to have a history? Whats the cause for the /out?
palmar kind of did a hitler video about Annul and me once :3
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On January 23 2013 23:43 Vivax wrote:
Lynch Toad, I'm willing to take full responsibility if it's a mislynch, but just lynch Toad cause it won't be.
CTRL-F all of the things he quotes and says about Oats and proceed to lynch him.
just quoted so I can find it postgame to tell you how bad you are at playing mafia
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On January 24 2013 00:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 16:12 Toadesstern wrote:
wouldn't mind lynching into either gonzaw or Annul today. Have to reread a bit because they kind of rule out each other...
Anyways doublelynch tomorrow should be voted for. Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 20:45 Toadesstern wrote:On January 23 2013 20:31 Vivax wrote:On January 23 2013 20:14 Vivax wrote:
Who would you lynch first today, annul or gonzaw?
What do you think about this thing I consider to be a scumslip? On January 23 2013 20:33 Vivax wrote:
Use something in your argumentation to say that you think gonzaw and annul are scum besides this mayor thing please.
You say: "I think one and only one is scum among the mayor candidates, gonzaw and annul are probably scum cause everyone else I have a town read on." I don't think it's a slip at all. Not sure who I'd want to lynch first at all. I'm trying to figure out how likely it is that mafia shot like total retards (besides the Sandro hit that ist) on purpose to make us think about someone else who might be mafia within the vets, which is the reason we're talking about gonzaw to begin with. gonzaw looks / looked a townie so far and I really thought he'd die as a secondary target as you can see when you're reading the logs between Sandro and myself. And Sandro agreed so that's one of the reaons I'm talking about Gonzaw right now. Annul's posts are awful in general. The ones he did on d1 didn't contribute or were trollish (the combination of both is what's troublesome). Like the wifom-picture post, like his very first (or 2nd?) post "causually" asking why I'm not considering to vote him instead of Sandro. And now he's basicly ragequitting although he's still hanging in here. That's at least something good I guess. On top of that I just never agreed with a single read he did. Saying I'm mafia d1, I think he said you (Vivax) are mafia d1 as well when EVERYONE agreed that you're one of the most townish looking guys around. Check my first log for timestamps on when I said something about you... like 3 hours into the game it was already certain for me, and for Sandro as well. He was wasting his vote by putting it on himself and he was against the prplhz lynch. This town needs help.
Does anyone see a problem with me saying "I thought gonzaw is town d1, which is the reason I thought he'd die n1, which is the reason those retarded night hits make him look not town" ?
Because I don't know what Vivax thinks he's getting at here and I'd just like to see someone else comment for once so he finally shuts up
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On January 24 2013 00:32 Vivax wrote:But the connection between gonzaw and your Oats read and the people getting interested in gonzaw after the night sealed the deal. Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote:
I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response. this exactly. On a sidenote for medics: Don't forget about gonzaw. That guy probably needs protection as well. So if you're a medic and don't know what to do, at least consider protecting WBG / Gonzaw / Sandro. I'm not going to tell you my target. This was the post where Toad changed his mind about Oats. But Toad's latest scumreads before this post were: Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 16:53 Toadesstern wrote:
If you're pressing me to formulate a real list with the guys I'd pick if I had to right now I'd say it's:
Annul as #1, oats or JX as #2, debears as #3, BKE as #4.
clarity seems very unlikely to be mafia but it's possible I guess. 1st of all, super easy targets to pick as scum. Then, you changed your whole fucking read on Oats based on him being the first to make a case on gonzaw. He wanted gonzaw protected during that night and thought that his former scumread is suddenly town for making a case on someone he wants protected?No, actually, he and gonzaw are scumbuddies. Toad has seen the winds change towards a gonzaw lynch and has set himself up to bus him, that's why he switched stances on both of Oats and gonzaw so extremely. He obviously didn't have good reasons except for the bus motive to do so, that's why his answers regarding gonzaw and annul have been extremely bad and even contradict his opinion on gonzaw. Lynch either of them and thank me after the game, you noobs. Even Axle noticed this shit. FT is awful with his Oats tunnel. For sure not Palmar.
stop cherrrypicking, that's a fucking lie.
Those aren't my latest scumreads. My latest scumreads was a list of 7 people and bugs asked who I'd put down as team mafia if I had to.
I never said changed my Oats read from mafia to town, even now still have him down as "might be mafia", it only made the mafiaread on him weaker imo and I said exactly that but who cares, you don't even read the thread, nor do you read my posts.
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On January 24 2013 00:35 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 00:32 Vivax wrote:
FT is awful with his Oats tunnel. For sure not Palmar. Ok, your mayor who lynched you mafia on Day 1 is awful. Coming from the guy who apparently made some bullshit play to keep himself alive (?!) and then after the nightkills had to admit all his reads were wrong. Such a pro.
do you think our early read on Vivax is wrong? Dude's annoying as it can get...
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On January 24 2013 00:32 Vivax wrote:But the connection between gonzaw and your Oats read and the people getting interested in gonzaw after the night sealed the deal. Show nested quote +On January 23 2013 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:On January 23 2013 03:47 DearestSnot wrote:
I don't understand the scum Oats motivation for pushing you, gonzaw. It seems almost suicidal to me.
In another game I had recently I was inclined to vote someone for calling me scum in a situation where he was under heby pressure. My gut said that he was town based on the unlikelihood of him being willing to call me out so hard when I was the deciding vote. I decided to stubbornly ignore my suspicion and the guy flipped town.
I just don't see what kind of scum would come to the conclusion that one of the mayoral candidates is scum and then proceed to attack the one who is most likely to put forth a strong backlash with a serious and solid response. this exactly. On a sidenote for medics: Don't forget about gonzaw. That guy probably needs protection as well. So if you're a medic and don't know what to do, at least consider protecting WBG / Gonzaw / Sandro. I'm not going to tell you my target. This was the post where Toad changed his mind about Oats. But Toad's latest scumreads before this post were: Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 16:53 Toadesstern wrote:
If you're pressing me to formulate a real list with the guys I'd pick if I had to right now I'd say it's:
Annul as #1, oats or JX as #2, debears as #3, BKE as #4.
clarity seems very unlikely to be mafia but it's possible I guess. 1st of all, super easy targets to pick as scum. Then, you changed your whole fucking read on Oats based on him being the first to make a case on gonzaw. He wanted gonzaw protected during that night and thought that his former scumread is suddenly town for making a case on someone he wants protected?No, actually, he and gonzaw are scumbuddies. Toad has seen the winds change towards a gonzaw lynch and has set himself up to bus him, that's why he switched stances on both of Oats and gonzaw so extremely. He obviously didn't have good reasons except for the bus motive to do so, that's why his answers regarding gonzaw and annul have been extremely bad and even contradict his opinion on gonzaw. Lynch either of them and thank me after the game, you noobs. Even Axle noticed this shit. FT is awful with his Oats tunnel. For sure not Palmar.
not to mention that everything you mentioned is true for Sandroba and WBG as well because they said THE EXACT SAME THING.
Guess it has to be Sandroba + WBG + Toad + Prplhz + Gonzaw as team mafia... damn sorry that Sandroba already flipped town and I really don't think WBG is mafia and I know I'm town.
Nothing you're saying makes sense...
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On January 24 2013 00:44 Vivax wrote:
I have good reason to believe Bugs isn't mafia.
It's telling that in none of your arguments you ask me why I think gonzaw is scum if I'm so sure about the connection between you two and you aren't sure about him.
why should I ask you why gonzaw is scum, I know you can't scumhunt and a "scumread" is nothing other than rolling a dice for you..
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On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it.
want to talk about debears / oats?
I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads.
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On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely?
well you're still alive, right?
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On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right?
So obviously debears has to be almost confirmed town to you given your read on oats.
Do you think it's more likely that it's 2 townies or 1/1 ? 0/2 is almost certainly not the case as you're still alive.
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On January 24 2013 01:18 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? So obviously debears has to be almost confirmed town to you given your read on oats. Do you think it's more likely that it's 2 townies or 1/1 ? 0/2 is almost certainly not the case as you're still alive.
I mean, we need to talk about something, right now so might as well talk about that
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On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:49 Mocsta wrote:
Toad/Vivax.
I know this is a lot of a non-vet to ask of vets, but can you please put your discussions on hold.
I feel like you two are discussing semantics - i am not saying the discussion is invalid or inappropriate.. just :
Concurrently we have a case mounting on Oats, based on facts in this game and meta from a game I just played with him.
I would really appreciate if you could share your thoughts on what FiveTouch and myself have raised over the past 2 pages.
Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me.
yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town.
If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves).
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On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:
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Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard
yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it.
I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion.
Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time.
Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny.
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On January 24 2013 01:33 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:31 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:25 debears wrote:On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:
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I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read.
I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job.
This is also in answer to Mocsta.
Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Toad, at this point I don't see the reason for mafia subing in only 1 bodyguard. They can't target both of you until after the night that the bodyguards are gone. So, if they have to wait an extra night to nk anyways after, why out a mafia as a bodyguard in the process? Might as well just get two kills on town bodyguards, especially with the chance that one or two of the better townies rolls bodyguard yeah that's kind of what I'm getting at as well and the reason I asked palmar about it. I just don't see a reason to sub in bodyguards if mafia comes to the conclusion "well, can't shoot that" unless of course for confusion. Especially with Palmar saying he'll out the BGs shortly before deadline they can't be afraid of not being able to find the bodyguards in time. Though you two guys ending up being bodyguards is rather funny. It's funny, and statistically quite unlikely that Oatsmaster became my bodyguard. Mafia putting a bodyguard in that I want to lynch doesn't seem too unlikely, though.
I know, that's why I said it's funny that those 2 became bodyguards. Debears looks good but Oats doesn't look good. At best he's a null, at worst he's a mafia for most people right now I guess. And with the reasoning I provided it does make him look townish.
That's why I wanted to hear your take on what's more likely, mafia trying to trick us or this being some hilarious luck of ours.
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On January 24 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
It's a good post, it convinced me. On January 24 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
That you could be scum I mean.
Tell me again why we had you down as townread early on...
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On January 24 2013 02:04 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 01:22 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:19 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:14 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:13 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 24 2013 01:08 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 24 2013 00:58 FiveTouch wrote:On January 24 2013 00:52 Vivax wrote:
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Where's the analysis of gonzaw and Toad you promised? The irony of all your posts is that you basically refuse to comment on the player that I want to lynch (dude who killed mafia, just to remind you). This is about it: On January 23 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote:
Oats, you have this annoying habit of defending people when they should be talking.
Defend him with your vote and nothing else please, he's already secretive as of now. Why do you think you have the right to demand answers from others, when unwilling to provide opinions yourself on other cases? Or are you simply that much of an outrageous hypocrite? I already said Oats is town. I said it when I read he's your bodyguard, I said the same about debears. Nothing has changed about that, go read. I'm not talking about why I think he's town. That's his own job. This is also in answer to Mocsta. Then you should tell me why you think my points on him being mafia are incorrect. Dispute what I've said if you disagree with it. want to talk about debears / oats? I'd like to hear your thoughts on what's more likely while trying to spam away terribads. How do you mean, what's more likely? well you're still alive, right? The problem is, you can't draw too much from it right now. I announced the bodyguards right at deadline. So: If 2 mafia are bodyguards and I'm shot, it outs 2 mafia If 0 mafia are bodyguards, they can't shoot me If 1 mafia is bodyguard, they still can't shoot me because they don't know the other bodyguard In every single scenario, mafia can't shoot me. yeah but clearly either mafia DID sub in 1 or 2 guys and came to the very same conclusion OR they didn't sub in which makes both town. If they came to the same conclusion I don't see a reason to sub in to begin with. Might as well just leave 2 townie as BGs and hope to hit some on the road when mafia can't hit us anyways (without saccing 2 people themselves). Just because I was musing. If Oats is town: There is a roughly 1/10 chance of Oatsmaster being randomly selected as bodyguard. If Oats is mafia: Is there a greater than 1/10 chance that Oatsmaster is put in as bodyguard? I would contend yes.
yeah that's actually very true.
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On January 24 2013 02:20 Vivax wrote:
Just to be safe though:
The sheriff is able to send the PM during the night yes?
Can there be multiple mafia powerroles of one kind?
(1) Yes
(2) No, except for mafia masons of course.
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Holy crap 10 pages to read. If there's something important I need to read RIGHT NAO link please. If not I'm going to start reading slowly, make some waffles and have breakfast.
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On January 24 2013 12:48 Mocsta wrote:
Agreed.. my main rational is.. if we lynch a BG and he is scum... scum still have 2KP (due to rounding up)
If we lynch a BG and he is town.. scum still 2 KP and mayor/sheriff have no protection. (assuming 1 bg = town)
The risk isnt worth it.
if we lynch a BG and he is scum I will offensively jail :3
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btw my take on oats right now:
[06:58:03] Erik: for all I care if he's scum and that means both palmar and I survive becase they don't want to "out" oats that's fine with me
So I really don't see a reason to risk lynching oats today. Yes he's really scummy but more importantly he's a problem that will solve itself sooner or later.
Either mafia shoots him because they want to get Palmar / me
OR they shoot Palmar / me in which case oats isn't "probably mafia" but confirmed mafia
OR they don't shoot Palmar / me which is perfectly fine with me to be honest.
So I'd say we lynch someone else. For me that either means lynching into one of Annul / Gonzaw / Chez or lynching BKE.
I myself would like BKE the most right now but I'm not done catching up. Mostly because I haven't figured out the Annul / Gonzaw / Chez triangle and while a 1/3 chance to hit mafia is still decent I think we'll get a better read on that one soon enough as well.
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