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Toadesstern
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I'm getting really paranoid right now, especially with Sandro saying that Annul might be town yesterday. Because frankly speaking with bugs attitude he pretty much ruined any chance of Annul getting back in the game for the offchance that he's actually town because I'd be pissed as well. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 23 2013 17:39 Toadesstern wrote: I think he's mafia but the nighthits are retarded as it can get if he's mafia. that was directed at the annul question... | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 23 2013 17:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I think the problem with Broodking is that he is obviously somewhat active, but no posting other than a few things. I think he may be trying to lurk under the radar. Clarity is different cause he hasnt posted past the first 24 hours IIRC and I think he should get replaced/modkilled. which is exactly the reason BKE is more of a target than clarity is and which is exactly the reason I totally disagree with bugs PoV on clarity. Clarity doesn't even care which makes it highly likely that he just has no time. BKE on the other hand cares enough to not get modkilled and do nothing but that. Unlike Annul he however isn't exactly scummy besides that and I can't really say trying to not get modkilled is a mafiatrait at all... I would be pissed at someone getting modkilled as a townie if he had the possibility to toss in a vote, even if it's a rnd- or selfvote because getting yourself modkilled isn't helpful either... What I'm trying to say is, it really does look like a mafia (BKE) but I could see him do that as a townie as well I guess which means I'm back at Annul / gonzaw.... Palmar where are you, we need you  | ||
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Toadesstern
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Toadesstern
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On January 23 2013 19:45 Vivax wrote: That's not even the point. You corrected yourself hastily cause you believed that others would notice how certain you were about there only being one jack. If there are multiple jacks possible is secondary. If you were so sure of it then you wouldn't have felt the need to correct yourself like that. Since you didn't mention that you considered the possibility that the third kill was from a town vigi, don't even think about pulling that card now. @ Toad Give me an estimation of scumminess among these, put them in preferencial order please: annul, yamato, gonzaw, mkfuba one out of Annul + Gonzaw has to be mafia. Probably just one though. mkfuba and yamato are probably two townies. Yamato looking a bit more townish I guess. | ||
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Toadesstern
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You didn't actually but had an excuse for being afk so that might actually be a reason for you to not be a strong contender although you intended to. | ||
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Toadesstern
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I'm saying one of the guys running for mayor has to be mafia and that's most likely you or gonzaw. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 20:17 Vivax wrote: Not to mention that I consider it a bad strategy to think someone might be mafia just cause they ran for mayor. Why not austin then? Or yamato? Or Chezinu? Or me? (1)Are you so sure that they all are town? (2]What do you think about fuba? Sandro was thinking he's scum in the second last logs. (1) yeah. Not thaaaat sure about austin but I doubt him being mafia right now (2) I already said I think he's town and no Sandro thought he's town as well if I recall correctly. He said something along the lines of being wrong about fuba and JX being mafia very early on in the 2nd part of the log. Besides, the reasoning for annul still isn't him running for mayor. Besides that, if you read the logs you know there's more reasoning behind it although Sandroba started doubting it. The reasoning is one of them has to be mafia because I think one of the guys running for mayor was mafia. That's a difference. Picture a game with 30 people. Now out of those 30 people 29 are IC's. The statement "You're mafia because you're not an IC" is utterly bullshit. The statement "One of the guys not being an IC has to be mafia" however makes an awful lot of sense. I know it's a retarded example but I want it to be simple so you understand it because frankly it's much more important when looking at Gonzaw. Annul is scummy on his own. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 20:25 Toadesstern wrote: (1) yeah. Not thaaaat sure about austin but I doubt him being mafia right now (2) I already said I think he's town and no Sandro thought he's town as well if I recall correctly. He said something along the lines of being wrong about fuba and JX being mafia very early on in the 2nd part of the log. Besides, the reasoning for annul still isn't him running for mayor. Besides that, if you read the logs you know there's more reasoning behind it although Sandroba started doubting it. The reasoning on this particular mayor argument is one of them has to be mafia because I think one of the guys running for mayor was mafia. That's a difference. Picture a game with 30 people. Now out of those 30 people 29 are IC's. The statement "You're mafia because you're not an IC" is utterly bullshit. The statement "One of the guys not being an IC has to be mafia" however makes an awful lot of sense. I know it's a retarded example but I want it to be simple so you understand it because frankly it's much more important when looking at Gonzaw. Annul is scummy on his own. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 23 2013 20:33 Vivax wrote: Use something in your argumentation to say that you think gonzaw and annul are scum besides this mayor thing please. You say: "I think one and only one is scum among the mayor candidates, gonzaw and annul are probably scum cause everyone else I have a town read on." I don't think it's a slip at all. Not sure who I'd want to lynch first at all. I'm trying to figure out how likely it is that mafia shot like total retards (besides the Sandro hit that ist) on purpose to make us think about someone else who might be mafia within the vets, which is the reason we're talking about gonzaw to begin with. gonzaw looks / looked a townie so far and I really thought he'd die as a secondary target as you can see when you're reading the logs between Sandro and myself. And Sandro agreed so that's one of the reaons I'm talking about Gonzaw right now. Annul's posts are awful in general. The ones he did on d1 didn't contribute or were trollish (the combination of both is what's troublesome). Like the wifom-picture post, like his very first (or 2nd?) post "causually" asking why I'm not considering to vote him instead of Sandro. And now he's basicly ragequitting although he's still hanging in here. That's at least something good I guess. On top of that I just never agreed with a single read he did. Saying I'm mafia d1, I think he said you (Vivax) are mafia d1 as well when EVERYONE agreed that you're one of the most townish looking guys around. Check my first log for timestamps on when I said something about you... like 3 hours into the game it was already certain for me, and for Sandro as well. He was wasting his vote by putting it on himself and he was against the prplhz lynch. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Look at what other people are saying who know how I'm playing like palmar, like WBG, like austin, like gonzaw (although he might be mafia I guess...): Every single one of them said I'm like a confirmed townie. I'm not going to include myself in an argument for "one of the guys has to be mafia" for the same reason I didn't include people like Palmar: Because we're as confirmed town as you can get without being an IC or without flipping around now. I mean even if you just ignore that like an idiot and think "okay maybe he's still mafia" just give me one reason for shooting Sandroba if I am mafia. The guy was certain on me being a townie. Why would I try to get him out of the way instead of... idk.... killing people who don't think so watching how Sandro keeps on telling everyone how town I am. It just doesn't make sense. On top of that the guy I masoned today basicly called me confirmed townie as well for a damn good reason I'm not willing to share, at least not today. So really, I'm going to ignore those "toad might be mafia" paranoia posts right now because they're ridiculous and EVERYONE is ignoring them for a reason... | ||
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Toadesstern
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You were basicly calling everyone an idiot, telling people Vivax is mafia and people shouldn't listen to anything anyone says while ragevoting yourself. I take that as oposing the lynch when Palmar was very much in the lead and most people agreed on prplhz being a decent or the best lynch. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 23 2013 20:58 Vivax wrote: You fucked up by letting sandro get killed, and scums' choice of target points towards them knowing your target for the jail. I don't believe that you would risk sandro getting killed if you were town assuming some derp scum wifomplay behind the NKs. I also can't confirm the authenticity of the logs you posted since sandro died. You should have posted them before. And you should know that. There is no Toad-Paranoia, stop playing den Empörten. wtf is wrong with you... you're literally the worst guy I ever saw... I mean even that axle guy agreed with the point that I could not have done anything different because posting the logs beforehand would be even worse... and axle is fucking bad at this game, like REALLY. | ||
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This is just ridiculous and I should have never answered you guys to begin with... just can't stand it when terribads are mocking me for being bad when I'm doing all the right things and they just don't know what's happening lol... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 23 2013 21:55 Vivax wrote: And right after: Toad, why did you go from "protect gonzaw" to "I don't mind lynching gonzaw"? When I asked you said cause it's likely that he is the mafia mayor candidate. But why didn't you suspect him at all during the night then? for christs sake start reading the fucking thread. | ||
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Toadesstern
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On January 23 2013 23:07 Vivax wrote: [22.01.2013 19:17:49] Erik: yeah I agree [22.01.2013 19:17:56] Erik: I'd like annul lynch the most [22.01.2013 19:18:04] Erik: and a bunch oats has done recently looks townisch [22.01.2013 19:18:07] Erik: *townish [22.01.2013 19:18:18] Erik: I really don't see him pushing gonzaw out of all the people if he's mafia Strange things to say considering your latest insecurity about who to lynch first between annul and gonzaw when asked. Care to tell us why Oats is town for pushing gonzaw? [22.01.2013 19:28:09] Erik: the way it's worded I can't jail before n2... [22.01.2013 19:28:11] Erik: "You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night." [22.01.2013 19:28:27] Erik: if I have to pm him during the day I can't pm him before d2 for the n2 protections What did BC respond to this? Although he probably let Toad jail nonetheless. not strange at all if you consider the timestampt. That's during n1. Not during d2. The reasoning for oats being more likely town (I never said town btw although I would be willing to rethink that) as in less likely mafia is mentioned in the thread by me at least 3 times I think. I'm not going to quote it again. Oh and bugs said it at least once as well. And I think it's in the log as well but I'm not actually sure about that one. He said I was able to jail, but at a time I already went to bed. Read: I'm not allowed to tell you when I received pm from hosts but I wasn't in here anymore and I went to bed about 1 and a half hour before the deadline hit, so go figure. | ||
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