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On January 31 2013 08:14 cDgCorazon wrote:
Seriously Acid, I told you to stop talking about WB like 5 million times.
Why won't you let WB go for 5 freaking minutes?
Because I want to discuss his doc claim as it seems very important to me, for the reasons outlined in my previous post.
Why did you lie about something I did in your first vote post?
Why are you lying now? I never lied.
Why did you dodge my first argument, say its BS (at least 24 hours later), and now defend yourself when I voted for you?
I already went over this, learn to read.
Why are you OMGUSing me (you are)
I'm not. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Oh_My_God_You_Suck
I stated my reasons for voting you, it is not *because* you voted for me, but because of the *reasons*, which are bullshit.
when you just blamed Acid for the same thing?
Now you're just saying crazy things.
You really think my reasons are BS?
Yes
No one else has said that my reasons are BS
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon
(besides Zare, who didn't even look at my argument post, only the stuff after it).
Why is your activity level rising in falling with the overall activity level with the town?
I have no idea how you can know that. As stated, I post in early afternoon and late evening, Paris time, because that's when I am free to play. There's no agenda there, just a timetable.
Why couldn't you have taken 2 minutes to tell us that you were busy on D1 and taken a vote?
Because I left home around 5 pm? sunday afternoon, something like that. I expected to be back before the lynch, instead I slept on the couch of the editing room along with the rest of my team because when you have a deadline you fucking meet it. "I have work" should be good enough. I don't like to talk about my private life with strangers on the internet.
These are the questions you need to answer. "Because I have work" isn't going to cut it for me. The fact that you dodged my argument because it was BS is contradicting your play now. If you say both of my arguments are BS now, why are you answering the one with the vote behind it?
Because I was content with ignoring you when I thought you were only wrong. Now I think you're scum so I need to take apart your bullshit to have the other townies on my side.
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On January 31 2013 08:32 zarepath wrote:
I didn't really look at things this way until I considered that warbaby is actually a cop. things make much more sense now; the things that happened 12 hours ago now look much more scummy.
More precision on that? What makes you think WB is cop and why would he doc claim instead of cop claim?
What happened 12 hours ago that looks so scummy?
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On January 28 2013 05:08 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well there's a 1/3rd chance that we lynch the right player if we LAL today. So there's not much to lose on a lurker lynch.
I really hope that all three of them aren't mafia, because if they do not vote and get modkilled (I hope I'm not breaking a rule by saying that) there are some scary players waiting in the replacement section if they're all mafia.
Just theorycrafting. Hosts let me know if I broke any rules by speculating about it.
Not only is this wrong, as I pointed out on my case against warbaby (this is the part where I admit my tunneling prevented me from noticing Corazon was the first to mention the 1/3 chance), but it directly contradicts this:
On January 28 2013 10:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well, the chances of us getting a scum D1 were zero. I'm gonna relook over the day's events and let you all know if I find anything of importance.
We go from "not much to lose on a lurker lynch" to "well we didn't have a chance anyway".
And then, there it is:
On January 31 2013 00:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
I don't believe I contradicted myself when I said that 33% (it's actually 2/9, which I believe is around 22%. Don't quote me on that though) was still a low percentage.
Re: pushing us against each other:
On January 30 2013 07:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright, so after taking Acid's response into account, here is my action for D2 (barring something crazy).
To me, this day has come down to "Should we lynch WB or Acid?".
You are the first to introduce this notion and now you can't lie your way out of it. It's right there in the quote.
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On January 31 2013 08:50 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright guys, I'm going to make this quick. I'm claiming VT. That's right. I'm a Vanilla townie.
My proposed scumteam is WB and Zare, and here's why.
WARNING: MASSIVE WIFOM BOMBS
I think WB and Zare are both scum. WB has officially bitten the hand that feeds, which I absolutely hate from anyone. It's scummy.
Zare has only made cases on me and WB since he has played the game.
Here's what I think their plan is:
Sn0 points out the inconsistencies in things I've said N1. Zare basically steals everything Sn0 says and says I am scum and makes a whole case against me.
Their plan is to not attack anyone, so Warbaby can claim doctor and Zare can say that I attacked him because he made a case against me and I called him a good town (basically everything he used in his argument against me).
Acid tunnels WB and I tell both of them to stop it. Warbaby and Zare both know that I was against them tunneling each other, and WB continues to tunnel Acid and get me to argue with him and waste three pages of thread space, which means that I can be blamed for being a distraction to town.
Zare begins to bus WB because he thinks that WB is going to die. However, once he sees that the pressure on WB lifts, he decides to get me voted out, using his silly reasoning and giant amounts of WIFOM due to what actually happened. Why do you think he was so spot on in what he thought scum did?
Zare and WB have come up with an elaborate plan that involves them exploiting the holes in my play and making them bigger in order to get me lynched. That way, they can get a town player killed, and escape at least some of the blame.
Do you notice how both of them have twisted my words and made lies about what I did?
I'd vote Zare off today, but WB is more likely to die.
##Unvote
##Vote: Warbaby
Just so I understand this correctly: you claim that the scum plan was to waste a night kill in order to secure a day lynch which would cast severe suspicions on them both after you flipped town?
If they wanted to get rid of you so bad, why wouldn't they just kill you N1?
A wise and handsome man told me after the last game to always KISS. The most simple explanation is often the correct one.
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On January 31 2013 08:58 Sn0_Man wrote:
At this point, I could actually see something like an acid/zare scumteam but we can't lynch one of them in time I don't think. Still fairly confident warbaby is scum though.
Glad to see you finally showing your true colors.
Guys, when warbaby flips medic you know we need to lynch Corazon and Snoman, right?
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On January 31 2013 08:11 glurio wrote:
I'm sorry but i won't switch right now. His claim looks like scum trying to stay alive.
He by far made the most mistakes all game. His really suspicious D1 last minute vote switch.
He had two scumreads and switched his vote to a lurker. After that he started calling his own reads weak.
All this claiming, switching votes randomly. ("How can we seriously lynch any of these people right now, its almost a random lynch." Quote warbaby, while still voting for one of them.)
Clear scum for me.
In light of the recent developments, are you willing to change your vote? We have less than an hour and Slayalot is most definitely not going to switch.
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On January 31 2013 09:03 warbaby wrote:
+1 on snoman, Acid.
The lack of bandwagoning on Cora is a bit scummy IMO. If he were VT as he claims, the other scum would bandwagon him.
Assuming you believe my claim, and that zarepath is not scum.
Well yeah, at this point the associations make it pretty obvious. In my mind scum team is either you+zare or cora+sno.
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On January 31 2013 09:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
How anybody reading this thread can NOT see this as a scum bandwagon started to save one of their own is beyond me.
Because that would mean I am scum, and I know that I am not scum.
LOGIC
Anyway, if you want us to believe your breadcrumbing on Cora you need to hard claim cop at this point.
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On January 31 2013 09:11 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 09:10 Acid~ wrote:On January 31 2013 09:06 Sn0_Man wrote:
How anybody reading this thread can NOT see this as a scum bandwagon started to save one of their own is beyond me. Because that would mean I am scum, and I know that I am not scum. LOGIC Anyway, if you want us to believe your breadcrumbing on Cora you need to hard claim cop at this point. Fine. I'm the cop and I checked cora last night. He came back clean. It explains my views on the Doc/JK situation (I forgot about there being both cuz THERE CAN"T BE) and it explains my 180 on cora (who I thought was scummy day 1 and night 1, before I received the results) Happy? now scum have me as an easy target tonight.
If this is true, I'm sorry if this seems cold but I'm fine with trading a blue role for 50% of a scum team. I have less than an hour to re-read your filter and check if what you say makes sense, but I'll do it.
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On January 31 2013 09:20 Sn0_Man wrote:
EBWOP warbaby could actually flip medic right now
OK, so given the setup we know we can trust your check if you are cop. If you are cop and warbaby is medic that means both Cora and Zare are innocented.
Who is left, then? Slayalot/cakepie?
So much for the low chances of both scum being lurkers :/
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Given the setup, the fact that no one counter claimed medic and Sn0_Man's breadcrumbs which go back to early day2, I feel the only safe vote is now Slayalot.
##Unvote: cDgCorazon
##Vote: Slayalot
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On January 31 2013 09:26 warbaby wrote:
I don't buy lurking scum. Scum need to make some effort to read the thread, in which case they are going to have a few things they want to say. Scum will probably assume they can be careful enough not to make a slip, and say these things.
The other scum style I do buy is doing stupid confusing shit all the time for no reason. Acid~ has stopped doing this, Corazon has not.
Why doesn't cora just vote for me? Even if I flip medic you guys will get information out of it.
The thing is, Sn0_Man is playing almost exactly like in XXXV where he was town, and his actions make sense: he jumped on Corazon day1 then started defending him day2 which is consistent with a cop check. This setup only allows sane cops and no framers or gf so an innocent check is 100% proof.
So, the only way I can buy Corazon as scum now is if Sno is also scum and I don't buy it.
Remember, lurking scum always has a good excuse ready in advance. Slayalot's airtight "alibi" is exactly what makes me suspicious of him.
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On January 31 2013 09:31 Sn0_Man wrote:
Additionally, how big is this "anything but warbaby" wagon right now? first cora, then it gets crushed by my cop claim and now its immediately thrown on slay?
I get that he is an uncontested medic claim, but the way he claimed even looked scummy.
I mean, if zare votes slay it becomes 4-4 right?
4-4 but I believe first name to gather the votes "wins" the tie so Slay doesn't get slain unless you switch.
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On January 31 2013 09:32 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 09:30 Acid~ wrote:On January 31 2013 09:26 warbaby wrote:
I don't buy lurking scum. Scum need to make some effort to read the thread, in which case they are going to have a few things they want to say. Scum will probably assume they can be careful enough not to make a slip, and say these things.
The other scum style I do buy is doing stupid confusing shit all the time for no reason. Acid~ has stopped doing this, Corazon has not.
Why doesn't cora just vote for me? Even if I flip medic you guys will get information out of it. The thing is, Sn0_Man is playing almost exactly like in XXXV where he was town, and his actions make sense: he jumped on Corazon day1 then started defending him day2 which is consistent with a cop check. This setup only allows sane cops and no framers or gf so an innocent check is 100% proof. So, the only way I can buy Corazon as scum now is if Sno is also scum and I don't buy it. Remember, lurking scum always has a good excuse ready in advance. Slayalot's airtight "alibi" is exactly what makes me suspicious of him. Holy shit acid is back to thinking like last game Where was this acid all game?
In the editing room T__T
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On January 31 2013 09:40 cakepie wrote:
Sn0 will you consider switching off warbaby?
If you are indeed cop we can get more use out of you one more night if warbaby can protect you. And if you are not protected, then warbaby is lying = confirmed scum to be lynched D3, as opposed to the current uncertain situation.
A chance that warbaby is not lying and we get another cop read, is better than no chance at all -- you WILL be killed if you are telling the truth, and unprotected tonight
I want to support this line of action, adding that Sno should check Warb tonight to make sure that scum doesn't pull a no-kill to falsely innocent warbaby.
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I know how you feel, but play Pascal's wager on this.
If war is scum and you lynch him, you probably die tonight.
If war is scum and you save him, you die tonight and we lynch him tomorrow.
If war is medic and you lynch him, we lose medic and cop
If war is medic and you save him, he dies tonight but we save you. Adding that if war is medic and you are cop, you know zare and cora are innocent and you can check glurio
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I know you all love list posts, so here it is:
cDgCorazon: TOWN - conditional on Sn0_Man actually being cop
cakepie: so far the vote and general attitude have me leaning TOWN
Slayalot: this is not about lurking anymore, but deliberate inactivity and refusal to participate in the scumhunt. SCUM
Sn0_Man: If he is scum, then he attacked Corazon d1 with the intention of proving him innocent d2, but Corazon wasn't under any scrutiny d1 apart from Sn0... plus the breadcrumbing early in the day... it doesn't make sense to me. Also, he switched off warbaby at the end and there is no way to tell if the precise last minute posting was intentional or not. Still, I noticed something but I'm not sure I want to talk about it yet. There is definitely a possible scenario where the scum team is Sn0_Man+Corazon but it requires no one to counterclaim cop which is a 50/50 gamble on their part. Tough call but... when in doubt refer to the simplest explanation, so: TOWN
zarepath: playing about the same as in XXXV where he was town. N1 results + warbaby's claim make him a pretty strong TOWN read.
glurio: Refused to switch off warbaby, general inactivity + there's no one else = SCUM
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On January 31 2013 11:55 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 11:50 Acid~ wrote:
Sn0_Man:
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plus the breadcrumbing early in the day...
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Where is this breadcrumb? I must have missed it.
First one, earliest:
On January 31 2013 00:18 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 23:53 zarepath wrote:
He condemns Acid so severely for tunneling WB -- in fact, it's the core of his case on him. But I don't see a cohesive scum case or clear direction in Corazon's play, or even a modicum of contemplation, or for seeking relevant new information.
Corazon looks scummy to me. Pro Tip: We aren't lynching Cora today.
Second one:
On January 31 2013 07:02 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm not switching because I know that if he flips doc I'm going to get called out on it. You guys do a great job of twisting my words. I'm sticking to my guns. If WB flips scum, just know that I put pressure on him too.
If anyone has been listening to anything I say besides what they use to twist my words, it's a tough call. Both have been playing really terrible games. I just feel like Acid's is just a bit worse at this point still.
Just as he called out WB, this is his contribution to the scum hunt: | |
(The space in between the lines is his contribution.) I have a plenty strong town read on you, don't worry about your own image, nail the scum. If he turns out doctor its me and acid who screwed up. Voting acid when he clearly won't get lynched today is not helping town. All you do is make the scum votes more powerful by throwing yours away.
Third one:
On January 31 2013 07:54 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:49 warbaby wrote:
Lurker 1: cakpie. His single post was probably more useful than all of the contributions of,
Lurker 2: Slay
We need to get rid of these clowns before we can properly scumhunt. I am most comfortable at this point lynching a lurker. Warbaby can't properly scumhunt until we kill the last 2 lurkers, yet from day 1 he was self-proclaimed "scumhunting" and anybody who questioned him was clearly scum-loving. Can we PLEASE kill Warbaby? @Acid: are you seriously voting cora? o_o where did everything go so wrong... Cora is *not* scum.
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On January 31 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote:
Glurio looks scummiest right now -- I have no idea why Cora and Sn0 parked their votes thusly, but Glurio isn't "confirmed town" by Sn0's uncontested cop claim.
Wait, did I miss something? Who claimed glurio was confirmed town?
Cora is confirmed town *if* Sn0_Man is cop. You played with us in XXXV, what is your read on Sn0_Man?
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Are you accusing zarepath of being scum or not? If you're not, your post has no purpose.
If you are, you need to explain how he can be scum despite being confirmed town by warbaby's flip (warbaby says he protected him N1, we had no kill N1 and your theory of scum skipping the kill doesn't hold up after war's flip since it relies on war being scum).
Also, zare didn't vote for warbaby, he voted for you and then switched to Slayalot to consolidate with town. How is that scummy, in light of the flip? His action actually almost saved warbaby, which is not something scum would do.
You're making no sense, AGAIN.
I'm sorry but no one forced you to vote for warbaby in the first place and I don't see anyone accusing you of sealing warbaby's fate anyway.
The reason that this was the reason that WB died was because if Zare hadn't made such a pathetic case on me, I wouldn't have been forced to make a case with massive amounts of WIFOM to vote for WB. I had to make a move to save myself.
This is so scummy it makes me sick. Your vote is your own responsibility. You don't vote to save yourself, you vote to lynch SCUM.
A post like this really gives me a hard-on for my sno/cora scum team theory.
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