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 I'm dead tired anyway and if I don't get some sleep now I'm going to fall asleep at work. | ||
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That brings with it another problem though. Scum might agree with his assessment and shoot me tonight. That's why I'm posting the best course of action for tomorrow before I'm (possibly) shot. What are the goals for Mafia? As far as I can see it, there are three goals that Mafia are naturally pushing in this game: 1) Silence (lurking, discouraging discussion, denying information) 2) Chaos (casting suspicion at a wide pool of suspects, keeping the thread unorganized, manipulating the discussion/vote) 3) Survival (staying off the radar, not being at the center of attention) Of course Mafia can try appearing more townish, but pushing their agenda is natural for them. It's really hard to avoid at least subconsciously going against the town's good. And in the end, why *would* Mafia do more than necessary (to avoid being lynched) to aid town? Who are pushing these goals? I had WBG as my #1 scumread at the end of N1, but actually I think he's town after all. Looking at the events of D2, he did basically nothing to further Mafia's goals. He had a surge of activity during D2 and engaged in various discussions, increasing the thread's activity as a whole. He actively tried to keep the thread organized and focused on two lynch candidates (Sloosh/Hopeless) to gain more information from the lynch and to make it harder for Mafia to manipulate the vote. He absolutely didn't stay off the radar - and was even the center of attention for most of the day. Jay also had a somewhat similar surge of activity during D2. I'm starting to think he might be just a townie who got off to a bad start after all. His behaviour is certainly among the towniest for D2. If not them, then who? Notable is that during D2 a lot of players were lurking / sheeping / staying off the radar (MrZentor, grush, Hopeless, Lazermonkey). I'm pretty certain that there are at least 2 Mafia in this group. MrZentor - his early game suggested him being town based on meta, but I'm extremely uncomfortable with his apathy, lurking and sheeping for N1+D2+N2. It's actually starting to look like his scum meta at this point. If this keeps up, he's likely Mafia. Lazermonkey - I don't still think he's scum. Kush appeared very townie to me and although Lazermonkey has made some bad plays, I think he's just confusing things and being unfortunate right now. grush - totally lurking and sheeping all game. Could be very well scum. Hopeless - most likely scum. With Sloosh flipping SK, it makes sense for him to be scum as well. Started writing this a bit too late and running out of time, so here is it. More later if I'm still alive. | ||
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As I was saying, Hopeless has been the most vague and sheepish player in the game, so I'm most confident in him flipping Mafia right now. I originally thought that the situation between Hopeless and Sloosh was scum + town, but with Sloosh flipping SK it's starting to look like scum + SK. Scum + scum would have made no sense - I can't fathom Mafia failing so miserably in manipulating the votes. But scum + SK makes very much sense, especially considering how close the votes got between them and how ultimately the scum got away (with the help of his team of course). ##Vote Hopeless1der Also, I got roleblocked (must be for the final words of Sloosh....). | ||
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On January 19 2013 09:39 MrZentor wrote: You got me, Xata, I'm scum. I mean seriously, there's NO reason not to post your logs. | ||
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On January 19 2013 09:43 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm confirmation biased, and have yet to properly make a case, so feel free to call this OMGUS until I substantiate: ##Vote: Hapahauli Still willing to lynch Lazer. WTF? That's pretty much the scummiest post so far. You just counter-voted your voter without any reason other than "I'm going to make up reasons in the future". Even then you're diminishing your own vote by offering to lynch another player instead.... | ||
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On January 19 2013 09:49 Hopeless1der wrote: Your post is stamped 2 minutes after Zentor's and reads as a direct response to his claim, in which you suggest he may not actually be town. Also, define useful. Scattered information doesn't do anything by itself, there needs to be a reason. What do you expect is in the logs? He needs to post the logs before he dies, but I don't think we need his logs ASAP. I started writing that before MrZentor had posted anything.... And it was like a 1 minute difference between posts. Anyway, that's a stupid thing to argue about. Why would we not want any additional information we can get? MrZentor is already confirmed, yeah, so it's not to determine his alignment, but it might reveal some new perspective or observation about other players that hasn't been said before. And it's also 100% confirmed to be genuine analysis. | ||
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That's probably the most useless suspicion list I have ever seen. Not to mention that it's based on OMGUS rather than your reads. | ||
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On January 19 2013 11:54 grush57 wrote: this guy is scum. Also because hopeless is too... ##Vote: Hopeless1dr Care to explain? I'm actually starting to suspect that Hapa or iamperfection is scum this game. - Hapa has been unusually inactive / slightly lurky and almost only focused on Prom -> Hopeless so far, not doing much else really - usually he's been the leading force for town in pushing the discussion and scumhunting + analysis - iamperfection has been mostly asking questions, posting one-liners and sheeping votes so far - granted that his play in LVIII looks similar on the surface (and he was town.....) | ||
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In any case, I'm starting to think that grush is scum. That whole "starsenses" phrase just feels forced and too stupid to take seriously. The way he's repeating it so much also feels like he's using it as some sort of a "shield". He also has done absolutely nothing to aid in scumhunting and has basically just hidden behind general inactivity and the thread having bigger issues to worry about. | ||
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Hopeless has basically defaulted to voting Lazermonkey in several situations, so if Hopeless flips scum, I'm having a hard time believing that Lazermonkey is also scum. This is of course in addition to Kush behaving suicidally for a scum player during D1 and Lazermonkey remaining calm under intense pressuring. If Hopeless happens to flip town, I have to say that Lazermonkey and Hapa look worse. Hapa has basically tunneled Hopeless for days and hasn't done that much else, while Lazermonkey has been tunneled by Hopeless for days. I'm also wondering about this post (latest post from Lazermonkey...): On January 19 2013 02:14 Lazermonkey wrote: Nothing happening atm : (. I'm going to the cinema + food for a few hours. Should be back before deadline tho. Lazermonkey, with this and your earlier post saying you're "not posting because you're not in danger of getting lynched", it looks like you're seriously actively lurking. Please, step up your activity and play the game. You're definitely in big danger of getting lynched tomorrow especially if you continue with this apathy. | ||
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On January 20 2013 04:19 iamperfection wrote: Xaltos isn't scum either by the way unless he was extremely clever around the time mr zenter claimed mason. What do you mean with that by the way? | ||
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On January 20 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote: No, I havent explained why, it was by elimination and its a very weak and situational read. That's why I haven't been advocating a switch onto you, only onto Lazer. You're still a scumread, but not one I'm comfortable pushing at the moment. Hm... There still has to be some reason besides just elimination. Or am I just the "least town" of the remaining players? What is the reason? | ||
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On January 20 2013 04:26 iamperfection wrote: Its tough from my phone but I believe you somewhat doubted the claim and then asked for logs. As scum you would have known mr z was town. Actually I posted that pressure for MrZentor almost at the same time as he claimed Mason. Then I asked for logs after that. I didn't actually doubt his Mason claim (it would have been suicide to fakeclaim there) but I first pressured him and after seeing his claim, asked for logs. He still hasn't given them though. | ||
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On January 20 2013 04:31 Hopeless1der wrote: Yeah, I read grush bugs and lamp as town. Zentor is "confirmed". Between you and Jay, I think you are scummier. No, I have not explained why, and I'm not going to while Hapa and LM are still on the table. There's no benefit to being scatterbrained when I'm about to die, let me focus on the scumreads I'm confident in so I can actually convince people my reads are shit, either before or after the lynch. It's useless to hide your reads though since if/when you get lynched, you can't post them anymore. And posting now will be a lot more useful than right before your lynch - we can also confirm that you have those reads and you're not just going to die silently after all. | ||
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