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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:05 GMT
#2175
sloosh and Mafia both shot at supersoft n1. He would have gotten a redcheck on sloosh, had he survived.

Ouch, supersoft, you were popular :O
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:06 GMT
#2178
On January 27 2013 09:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
This solves the question for all eternity.

When asked if Pie or Cheesecake...

Pie is the correct answer. Always.


Thank you for participating in this test for SCIENCE.


Yes, pies for the win As we proved!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:07 GMT
#2181
On January 27 2013 09:06 grush57 wrote:
meh, chocolate cake with peanutbutter icing is even better than pie.


You're a cheesecake so you're just biased.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:08 GMT
#2184
On January 27 2013 09:06 Hapahauli wrote:
:3


You were right, it was good to bus you. I still think we could have taken it if you had actively played all the way, but since you had your RL stuff, it went pretty good anyways.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:09 GMT
#2185
On January 27 2013 09:07 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 09:04 Xatalos wrote:
Jay did all the work for the scumteam. Every shot, and of course all the RBs (go figure).

Mafia never roleblocked somebody that's not on their team. In fact, they actually actively roleblocked themselves (instead of just not RBing) one or two times, for god knows what reason.


Lololol yeah we weren't the most conventional team :D

Yea I figured If we dont have someone that we have a real reason to think is blue we should just waste roleblock. And seeing as many mafia teams don't use rb on there own it was perfect.


I'm never gonna be able to repeat this trick though If I get roleblocked, everyone will just auto-lynch me rofl
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:16 GMT
#2187
Are we going to get some kind of an after-game analysis post or something?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:16 GMT
#2188
I would also want to get feedback. What did I do right, and what wrong?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:25 GMT
#2192
On January 27 2013 09:18 supersoft wrote:
yes. Thanks for destroying my victory%.

Grush your trolling wasn't funny and you destroyed the game.
Zentor and Thrawn played okay, but you should have claimed mason when i told you to claim.
promelynch was bad, and to some extend my fault. At the end = last few hours it was pretty clear he was town. he played well, with marvs help
Lazer i really don't know what you did there this game... however, you were kind of a bad lynch from the point of time when sloosh flipped SK and not scum. But it's so hard to read you.
hopeless, same for you... really hard to read you

overall it's too easy for scum to hide in these pointless discussions you all bring up all the time.
It's quite sad, that you think I am trolling all the time, when i am actually not.
My method of finding scum might be new to you, however it's pretty effective and I usually don't do things for no reason.
I think as town, my play makes sense to others who try to understand what i am doing.
Wbg for example might not be the best scumhunter every game, but he trys to understand what people are doing and why they are doing it.
I think you're all smart guys in real life. But in the game i think many of you rather follow guides, rules or something than following their own brain.

For example Lazer, you accused me because i made my lists at some point. And yes, my lists were pretty bad at d1 and i had things in my list that actually don't really matter. But at least I made a list. I tried to do something. Lazer had no lists at all. I mean he had nothing and he critisized me for having something. And seriously, at least i was right about Sloosh. I mean that was something...
I don't care about rules and guides and policy lynches and lynching idiots and lynching trolls. Thats all bullshit.
We lynch scum. That's my undestanding of the game.
We have no time for a policy lynch because someone trolls or something, only because it's bad.


I think you were clearly town for sharing everything that came to your mind. Maybe it was on the wrong track, but it was just D1 and we shot you because you were causing so much activity and content in the thread, and it would be real trouble if you got on the right track. It was lucky that you were a cop, would have never guessed that with your activity (usually blues try to hide a bit).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:30 GMT
#2195
I think people trusted my RB claim too much. WBG didn't even bother to read my filter after that, and that was a fatal mistake. I think I actually played pretty scummy D1 and started to focus more to look townie only after that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:34 GMT
#2197
On January 27 2013 09:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 09:16 Xatalos wrote:
Are we going to get some kind of an after-game analysis post or something?

Dunno I'm pretty lazy.
Probably not.
I'm gonna do a shitty tl;dr version right now. LO AND BEHOLD:


What I can say to you (also goes for jay I guess): Enjoy getting mislynched as town in the future. Unless you step up your towngame.
The "I'm lynchbait, lololol" excuse will likely not work anymore for you.
For the record, I'd prefer you stepping up your towngame, in case you were wondering which of the two options is the better one.


Bugs (and to a lesser degree supersoft) I think you'd have a better time playing if you were less angry about everything. Or condescending, or w/e you want to call it.
Other people would prob have a better time too, if that matters to you (from what I've seen - probably not. But worth a try)


Hapa improved his scumgame from the last i saw (mario), but has to work on his play after day 1. But he didn't claim scum day1, so it's improvement!


Tho, the deciding factor was mostly unmotivated(?) play from a bunch of the townies imo. You know who you are.


Ugh, I guess you're right. I think I played more townish in this game than many of the actual townies, and more townish than my latest town game in British. I'll just have to wait until I have a holiday or something and go all-in with my reads and such if I don't want to get lynched
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:35 GMT
#2198
WBG still AFK?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:50 GMT
#2205
On January 27 2013 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
I attacked xatalos d1 and I was shut down completely. I assumed I was wrong because everyone disagreed with me.

I put weight on the roleblocks because I had already assumed that I was wrong. It was a coinflip on the RBs because on the night scum shot thrawn they could not have known there were no other blues.

wp jay and xata. I am actually serious about the break, I'm probably gonna focus on school and maybe check the forum now and again, smurf or hydra or whatever but I've lost my interest in the game when we have so many townies who play like this.


That's sad but yeah, it really makes it harder for town :/ I'll have to improve my towngame considerably now too, since nobody suspected me here in the end and I'm going to be under a lot of scrutiny in the future. I don't know what I'm going to do as scum though, haha... Insta-death? :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#2213
On January 27 2013 09:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 09:50 Xatalos wrote:
On January 27 2013 09:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
I attacked xatalos d1 and I was shut down completely. I assumed I was wrong because everyone disagreed with me.

I put weight on the roleblocks because I had already assumed that I was wrong. It was a coinflip on the RBs because on the night scum shot thrawn they could not have known there were no other blues.

wp jay and xata. I am actually serious about the break, I'm probably gonna focus on school and maybe check the forum now and again, smurf or hydra or whatever but I've lost my interest in the game when we have so many townies who play like this.


That's sad but yeah, it really makes it harder for town :/ I'll have to improve my towngame considerably now too, since nobody suspected me here in the end and I'm going to be under a lot of scrutiny in the future. I don't know what I'm going to do as scum though, haha... Insta-death? :D


your characterization of kush's play as troll really almost made me vote you, but I knew no one was going to vote you with me.

There was no chance in hell you were ever getting lynched after the double RB and everyone calling you town d1. There was just really no way.

In fact, I find it more likely that I would have died if I attacked you.


Heh, I guess I went a bit overboard with resisting the Lazer lynch. I just thought that it would look bad if I easily switched to Lazer, but I couldn't come up with reasons to resist other thank Kush, so I went too far with that one argument. iamperfection agreed with my argument though, so I didn't think you'd be so upset about that.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 01:13 GMT
#2221
On January 27 2013 10:05 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2013 09:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
On January 27 2013 09:54 Promethelax wrote:
On January 27 2013 09:50 supersoft wrote:
btw... did you both shoot me? scum and sloosh?


Yeah they did.

Bugs: I know I said this in pm land but you saying that I M a good player means a lot to me and as unhappy as this game made me in a lot of ways you and super both made my day by calling my play good. Getting that recognition from good players means a lot to me. Thanks.


I'd much rather have 20 of you than 1 of grush on my team

I don't think I would have lynched him given that I kept having to remind myself of his meta, but I was just so frazzled and confused at how I could have been wrong about Xata, how both jay and lazer could have done nothing, that I "knew" two of jay + lazer + grush had to be scum.

I don't understand what you're supposed to do as a player when no one has confidence in you that you are right, so when you are right, you don't have confidence in yourself that you are right. Do you just say fuck you all, I'm right and then destroy the town until they agree with you?

It's like pulling teeth, even in BC's game I had correct early reads but 10 or 15 townies pulling me away from them.

I honestly, and this is only my chobo self's opinion, think that it would not be that hard for you to convince people if you didn't call all the players terrible and idiots all the time.

Getting insulted makes it so people WANT you to be wrong. Which is obviously real BS, and bad in itself, but it's how emotions work.

I think you could be a convincing person, though. I see it deep in your soul.


Haha :D
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 01:35 GMT
#2223
Good night, it was a fun game although the ragefest at the end was a bit disheartening. I actually totally enjoy playing scum during D1, but it gets less enjoyable towards the end. It's the other way around as town. My last town game was so miserable that this was easily more fun, but I think actually my most fun game might be Paranoia Mafia as town (especially the comeback at the end haha). Hard to say, I like both scum and town. I only wish I could roll blue some day, since that might be more interesting than VT.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 02:10 GMT
#2229
On January 27 2013 11:07 iamperfection wrote:
way to much respect given to me in the scum qt.

but thanks


Np You were the towniest town, and although you were on the wrong track, it's most important to establish your townishness. That way you can get people to support you when you get on the right track. That would have been dangerous so you had to die.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 02:11 GMT
#2230
Didn't get sleep yet, lol, so I came back again.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 02:14 GMT
#2232
Btw WBG, I have to ask you something. Why was I so scummy for defending Lazer to the last moment? I tried to emulate my town meta completely in that situation and I am very stubborn as town, and pretty wishy-washy as scum. So I don't really get it when you say "your stubbornness on this matter is making me rethink my townread on you". I'd say that I would have suspected myself for sheeping to Lazer, NOT the other way around...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 02:16 GMT
#2233
And in fact, for a moment I thought you were testing me: if I sheeped there, you would start pushing me. But I was dead wrong of course.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 27 2013 03:02 GMT
#2243
On January 27 2013 11:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw, I lol'd IRL when Xata tried to justify his meta read with kush's witchcraft filter, but quoted posts that were not from witchcraft, but from the chinese grammar micro mafia.

And nobody checked.


Wut :O This is Witchcraft alright: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816&user=200457&currentpage=2
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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