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On January 14 2013 03:40 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:33 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 03:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1.
Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears.
edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel Hmm ok. Thing is he was convinced that you are the shrink and I don't know what you 2 said to each other. That's how you knew you were going to get NKed? Well, me or dandel, then the other. This was the only opportunity to lynch Toad, I guess, but I feel the current setup is (if not scum favored) very hard for town, especially since day 1 is forced no-lynch (you can't seriously say otherwise, can you? There's a reason we no-lynched for 4 cycles) Town could have easily won with night actions alone Yeah but that feels more like a random chance kinda deal. If both sides play decently (like they did this game) then night actions won't win the game for town. They're supposed to make reads..... eg, as the shrink, make yak think you're Doc and get him to convert you. Yak must find out who is the PGO to survive NKs. Doc must find out who is the yak to get turned to mafia or who is the shrink to lure the yak and most of all, convince them. I really like this game really, fucking shame I missed out that small part
I convinced a bunch of people of a bunch of stuff but then 4 cycles of no lynches/night kills happened so it was impossible to keep any of my stories up.
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On January 14 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:44 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:40 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 03:35 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:33 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 03:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1.
Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears.
edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel Hmm ok. Thing is he was convinced that you are the shrink and I don't know what you 2 said to each other. That's how you knew you were going to get NKed? Well, me or dandel, then the other. This was the only opportunity to lynch Toad, I guess, but I feel the current setup is (if not scum favored) very hard for town, especially since day 1 is forced no-lynch (you can't seriously say otherwise, can you? There's a reason we no-lynched for 4 cycles) Town could have easily won with night actions alone Yeah but that feels more like a random chance kinda deal. If both sides play decently (like they did this game) then night actions won't win the game for town. They're supposed to make reads..... eg, as the shrink, make yak think you're Doc and get him to convert you. Yak must find out who is the PGO to survive NKs. Doc must find out who is the yak to get turned to mafia or who is the shrink to lure the yak and most of all, convince them. I really like this game really, fucking shame I missed out that small part I convinced a bunch of people of a bunch of stuff but then 4 cycles of no lynches/night kills happened so it was impossible to keep any of my stories up. Didn't exactly help me either that I told everyone I'm going to kill you n1 to prove I'm mafia and yes, I actually did that :p
:D:D:D
Seriously though what do I change to increase my chances of winning if I find myself in this exact situation
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:D
It was an interesting game, I had fun, probably would not play the same setup again, though
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iamp won by getting lynched
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Seriously, I destroyed the n1 night actions :D
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Lmao
Toad you were so straightforward but the thing you forgot to mention to everyone is WHY you were so straightforward. This is why I was able to convince dandel you were jester.
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Toad seems to highly disagree but I think a fourth town member would help a lot with the slow start. I dunno, I got to control night actions during n1 but after a couple of cycles it's impossible for me to keep my story straight compared to others that are telling the truth.
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I understood it just fine, but there needs to be a way for the game to move forward even if scum isn't ready.
It's just a flaw in the setup, and if there is a different solution other than adding a townie then I'm all ears.
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I am not complaining about balance, I am not complaining about the different ways people need to play to win.
I am simply commenting that the day 1 forced no-lynch situation was awkward and shouldn't repeat itself.
You seem to be completely missing my point.
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I think the threat of lynching the jester or lyncher's target makes the decision to lynch or not at least a debatable topic, and if scum chooses to do nothing n1 after town no-lynches then town might decide to lynch day 2.
Basically it becomes a decision for everyone every cycle even if scum does nothing or gets blocked, which is more interesting
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On January 14 2013 05:42 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 05:16 Palmar wrote:
I very much approve of doing stuff for shitz and giggles.
Just came home, haven't had a chance to look at the post-game, but feel free to leave thoughts on the setup. It's a pretty complicated game and I'm willing to listen if anyone has ideas on how to improve it. I call Worth It on the ending of this game, if just to make Toad salty. Worth it.
Btw, read the end post again. Why do I feel like everyone is staring at me?
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Yeah it was a lot of fun. What made you decide to nightkill me n1 btw?
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Like I said I think it's just because you replaced in, especially since you replaced Dieno who did nothing at all. So we all made our connections and assumptions/conclusions and then you show up but we kinda know your role already, or at the very least are already busy trying to figure others out.
Like, even if I engaged in conversation with you I don't think it would help me in any way. The same way I didn't talk to iamp much.
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On January 14 2013 06:41 gonzaw wrote:
In hindsight I think it would have been better to force Clarity to make the first vote on Toad/iamp "just in case".
If he refused to vote well we know we had no chance to do anything but maybe with the pressure he could give in and cast 1 vote, then me+dandel quickly hammer it (if it was on toad for instance)
Eh, I would've cast the first vote on iamp if pressured, but not toad. I really did not expect you both to just yolo-vote iamp though.
edit: Now I wait for a vanilla mini to open up
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I fixed it to match the bitterness I feel when reading that.
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The lyncher can't win with town unless his target died during the night
edit: Like, if I had helped you guys we would've lynched toad and I would have immediately lost.
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It's not a terrible plan, but yeah since you were my target, no can do.
Your plan also made you quite clearly pgo which was quite a pain for me.
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Which is why the game was probably less enjoyable for you
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I have never seen that space filled. I think it's some kind of inside joke.
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Tryhard hosts are the best hosts. If the OP isn't updated with flips and filters I go insane.
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