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So you thought dandel was the lyncher, with his target being iamp?
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Shit dude dandel I felt like I got so close to getting you to vote gonzaw, and then hoping toad would hammer it
I dunno what I could have done differently/better this game
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On January 14 2013 02:47 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 02:39 Dandel Ion wrote:
Again, I stopped the conversion and didn't kill myself uselessly on the PGO night 1 (which I was really afraid of), so I'm okay with my own play.
The end was YOLO, but sometimes you just gotta YOLO. I called gonzaw's "masterplan" townie to get you to disagree with me, then I mentioned it again and expected you to push back harder and maybe get you to think gonzaw is scum but then YOU AGREED WITH ME. Why do people only agree with me when I don't want them to. I had my reasons  gonzaw was totes town. btw, I don't think I'll play such a format again, I'd just be tempted to troll people all day, like I did with Jie. Ya.. after the first few trolls I had you as 3rd Party I ended up trolling too and it gets really boring after sometime because we knew nobody believed each other >_> I had no idea who was the shrink
Yeah I actually made a mistake at some point telling you that dandel is the shrink, I immediately told dandel I screwed up and that when you ask he should tell you he fooled me into thinking he's the shrink.
That was like the only way to get you both on me n1 <3
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On January 14 2013 02:50 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:48 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 02:47 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 02:39 Dandel Ion wrote:
Again, I stopped the conversion and didn't kill myself uselessly on the PGO night 1 (which I was really afraid of), so I'm okay with my own play.
The end was YOLO, but sometimes you just gotta YOLO. I called gonzaw's "masterplan" townie to get you to disagree with me, then I mentioned it again and expected you to push back harder and maybe get you to think gonzaw is scum but then YOU AGREED WITH ME. Why do people only agree with me when I don't want them to. I had my reasons gonzaw was totes town. btw, I don't think I'll play such a format again, I'd just be tempted to troll people all day, like I did with Jie. Ya.. after the first few trolls I had you as 3rd Party I ended up trolling too and it gets really boring after sometime because we knew nobody believed each other >_> I had no idea who was the shrink Yeah I actually made a mistake at some point telling you that dandel is the shrink, I immediately told dandel I screwed up and that when you ask he should tell you he fooled me into thinking he's the shrink. That was like the only way to get you both on me n1 <3 why was this even your goal? You'd have had a better chance to win if you got converted.
I don't think there was a way for me to get converted without toad dying. Him getting protected by jiex and converting me was something I did not anticipate, nor could I have.
The next best thing is to make sure I look like town and don't die to nightkills, and I accomplished both
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On January 14 2013 02:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
I tried going on with it tohe you to claim who the "medic" was or maybe contradict yourelf and be outted as jester well as I just said...pretty much everything I told people in pm's about what I did at nights was true. And people kept telling me I'm a liar....
I only called you a liar so that you'd think I was town, lol :D
I have a feeling I'd be much better at irl mafia compared to forum mafia, judging by this game
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On January 14 2013 02:53 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:48 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 02:47 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 02:41 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 02:39 Dandel Ion wrote:
Again, I stopped the conversion and didn't kill myself uselessly on the PGO night 1 (which I was really afraid of), so I'm okay with my own play.
The end was YOLO, but sometimes you just gotta YOLO. I called gonzaw's "masterplan" townie to get you to disagree with me, then I mentioned it again and expected you to push back harder and maybe get you to think gonzaw is scum but then YOU AGREED WITH ME. Why do people only agree with me when I don't want them to. I had my reasons gonzaw was totes town. btw, I don't think I'll play such a format again, I'd just be tempted to troll people all day, like I did with Jie. Ya.. after the first few trolls I had you as 3rd Party I ended up trolling too and it gets really boring after sometime because we knew nobody believed each other >_> I had no idea who was the shrink Yeah I actually made a mistake at some point telling you that dandel is the shrink, I immediately told dandel I screwed up and that when you ask he should tell you he fooled me into thinking he's the shrink. That was like the only way to get you both on me n1 <3 ya when I told dandel that you told me he was the shrink he went on trolling It worked. But I didn't really believe you (clairty) in the first place after knowing that you lied N1 =(
Fair enough, I thought that it would be a real townie thing to do, making sure the medic didn't team up with the yak.
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On January 14 2013 02:55 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:53 gonzaw wrote:On January 14 2013 02:52 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 02:48 gonzaw wrote:
I tried going on with it tohe you to claim who the "medic" was or maybe contradict yourelf and be outted as jester well as I just said...pretty much everything I told people in pm's about what I did at nights was true. And people kept telling me I'm a liar.... You claimed antitown what did you expect? I don't know? People realizing there isn't a need to play like a not-Yak for the Yak when the game is already over?
This is the exact angle I took with jiexian during n1. "eh, whatever, can't get lynched anyway so yeah, I'm yak. But idc you're not doc anyway"
:D:D
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On January 14 2013 03:00 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote:
So what are he chances for town to win this game? I got really lucky n1 that I figured out everyone's role (besides screwing up lyncher <-> shrink). Without that it's fairly decent. You've got a 1 in 3 chance to lynch into jester / lynchers target if you lynch d1 (assuming it'l work and as we just saw it does when people don't know what's going on...). I've got a 1 in 5 chance to hit the PGO at night which makes town win. I've got a 1 in 5 chance to convert the shrinked guy which is PRETTY much gg unless mafia has perfect knowledge of roles.
The thing is you're not forced to nk, are you? So you can take infinite time to figure it all out.
On January 14 2013 03:01 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:00 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 02:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote:
So what are he chances for town to win this game? Not bad, I'd think. yak dies pretty easily. If I knew who was the shrink I could have betrayed toad but I had no idea great job dandel =( If you read the OP, you could also have 
Play nice!
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On January 14 2013 03:04 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:02 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:00 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote:
So what are he chances for town to win this game? I got really lucky n1 that I figured out everyone's role (besides screwing up lyncher <-> shrink). Without that it's fairly decent. You've got a 1 in 3 chance to lynch into jester / lynchers target if you lynch d1 (assuming it'l work and as we just saw it does when people don't know what's going on...). I've got a 1 in 5 chance to hit the PGO at night which makes town win. I've got a 1 in 5 chance to convert the shrinked guy which is PRETTY much gg unless mafia has perfect knowledge of roles. The thing is you're not forced to nk, are you? So you can take infinite time to figure it all out. On January 14 2013 03:01 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 03:00 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 02:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote:
So what are he chances for town to win this game? Not bad, I'd think. yak dies pretty easily. If I knew who was the shrink I could have betrayed toad but I had no idea great job dandel =( If you read the OP, you could also have Play nice! same goes for you. I have infinite time to figure out people by pm'ing them, you can do the EXACT same thing as town. I figured out people by taking the risk to shoot n1 because I thought I have to with everyone calling me a liar and the general unwillingness to talk with me in pms... Wether I take the risk and shoot / convert into town or you take the risk and lynch doesn't change that much.
No, there is no risk to lynch. We literally cannot lynch scum with 6 people. Maybe everyone figures everything out, including you, but you are the only one who knows what your night actions are. With infinite amount of time you will eventually make the right choice.
Yeah it's a bit theoretical but at the very least there can be no lynch on day 1 if everyone plays proper.
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Oh btw jiex when you asked about a scum qt I had to guess if palmar made one or not, lol. I guessed right.
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On January 14 2013 03:09 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:07 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:04 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 03:02 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:00 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote:
So what are he chances for town to win this game? I got really lucky n1 that I figured out everyone's role (besides screwing up lyncher <-> shrink). Without that it's fairly decent. You've got a 1 in 3 chance to lynch into jester / lynchers target if you lynch d1 (assuming it'l work and as we just saw it does when people don't know what's going on...). I've got a 1 in 5 chance to hit the PGO at night which makes town win. I've got a 1 in 5 chance to convert the shrinked guy which is PRETTY much gg unless mafia has perfect knowledge of roles. The thing is you're not forced to nk, are you? So you can take infinite time to figure it all out. On January 14 2013 03:01 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 03:00 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 02:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote:
So what are he chances for town to win this game? Not bad, I'd think. yak dies pretty easily. If I knew who was the shrink I could have betrayed toad but I had no idea great job dandel =( If you read the OP, you could also have Play nice! same goes for you. I have infinite time to figure out people by pm'ing them, you can do the EXACT same thing as town. I figured out people by taking the risk to shoot n1 because I thought I have to with everyone calling me a liar and the general unwillingness to talk with me in pms... Wether I take the risk and shoot / convert into town or you take the risk and lynch doesn't change that much. No, there is no risk to lynch. We literally cannot lynch scum with 6 people. Maybe everyone figures everything out, including you, but you are the only one who knows what your night actions are. With infinite amount of time you will eventually make the right choice. Yeah it's a bit theoretical but at the very least there can be no lynch on day 1 if everyone plays proper. You literally could not have lynched Jester or mafia this cycle either, yet it happened.
No, there is a distinct difference. Especially since I claimed to have turned into a vt.
Town needs a majority or they cannot lynch scum, if they cannot lynch scum they should no lynch and BECAUSE TOWN HAS HALF THE VOTES, THERE CANNOT BE A LYNCH.
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There is nothing anyone can say or do to make a lynch happen day 1 unless people are mentally ill.
My claim this cycle however was believable which made the townies think they could lynch scum, unfortunately they went for iamp but wcyd
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On January 14 2013 03:14 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:10 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:09 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 03:07 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:04 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 03:02 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:00 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote:
So what are he chances for town to win this game? I got really lucky n1 that I figured out everyone's role (besides screwing up lyncher <-> shrink). Without that it's fairly decent. You've got a 1 in 3 chance to lynch into jester / lynchers target if you lynch d1 (assuming it'l work and as we just saw it does when people don't know what's going on...). I've got a 1 in 5 chance to hit the PGO at night which makes town win. I've got a 1 in 5 chance to convert the shrinked guy which is PRETTY much gg unless mafia has perfect knowledge of roles. The thing is you're not forced to nk, are you? So you can take infinite time to figure it all out. On January 14 2013 03:01 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 03:00 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 02:59 Dandel Ion wrote:On January 14 2013 02:57 gonzaw wrote:
So what are he chances for town to win this game? Not bad, I'd think. yak dies pretty easily. If I knew who was the shrink I could have betrayed toad but I had no idea great job dandel =( If you read the OP, you could also have Play nice! same goes for you. I have infinite time to figure out people by pm'ing them, you can do the EXACT same thing as town. I figured out people by taking the risk to shoot n1 because I thought I have to with everyone calling me a liar and the general unwillingness to talk with me in pms... Wether I take the risk and shoot / convert into town or you take the risk and lynch doesn't change that much. No, there is no risk to lynch. We literally cannot lynch scum with 6 people. Maybe everyone figures everything out, including you, but you are the only one who knows what your night actions are. With infinite amount of time you will eventually make the right choice. Yeah it's a bit theoretical but at the very least there can be no lynch on day 1 if everyone plays proper. You literally could not have lynched Jester or mafia this cycle either, yet it happened. No, there is a distinct difference. Especially since I claimed to have turned into a vt. Town needs a majority or they cannot lynch scum, if they cannot lynch scum they should no lynch and BECAUSE TOWN HAS HALF THE VOTES, THERE CANNOT BE A LYNCH. the difference is that town thought you're a townie and thought it's possible to lynch mafia this cycle, which was not true? Same could happen with the lyncher thinking someone is town REALLY strongly d1 and therefore giving into lynching the mafia.
Why would a lyncher lynch town that is not his target? It just makes it harder for the lyncher to lynch his target down the road.
Even if the lyncher wanted this somehow, why would any townie vote for anyone KNOWING that they cant lynch scum.
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On January 14 2013 03:17 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
There is nothing anyone can say or do to make a lynch happen day 1 unless people are mentally ill.
My claim this cycle however was believable which made the townies think they could lynch scum, unfortunately they went for iamp but wcyd If they had went for toad you'd have lost right? Then why did you claim
Because if we had a no-lynch then I die either straight away, or a cycle later.
This was the ONLY point where town had a majority (if I were telling the truth), unless toad somehow kills iamp, in which case I still would have lost had they lynched toad.
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Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1.
Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears.
edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel
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On January 14 2013 03:22 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1.
Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears.
edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel a 4th townie makes it impossible for mafia to win.
Why
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On January 14 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1.
Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears.
edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel Hmm ok. Thing is he was convinced that you are the shrink and I don't know what you 2 said to each other. That's how you knew you were going to get NKed?
Well, me or dandel, then the other. This was the only opportunity to lynch
Toad, I guess, but I feel the current setup is (if not scum favored) very hard for town, especially since day 1 is forced no-lynch (you can't seriously say otherwise, can you? There's a reason we no-lynched for 4 cycles)
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On January 14 2013 03:31 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:28 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 03:27 Toadesstern wrote:On January 14 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1.
Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears.
edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel Hmm ok. Thing is he was convinced that you are the shrink and I don't know what you 2 said to each other. That's how you knew you were going to get NKed? well he saw mafia was going to win because you died, he knew he was the lyncher (= not a VT) => no way to lynch the mafia => mafia will shoot one more guy next night. That could be him, that could be anyone else, either way it's a mafia win from his point of view  so that's why you were so damn pissed at him :D I get it now change it to "either way it's a mafia win from his point of vie2 unless he wins right now himself". I mean, I get what clarity did and he only had 2 options left to win. Sadly for me, he chose this one.... Had he just pm'ed me earlier about him being the lyncher he would have had a 50% chance to win because I win with either jester or lyncher and had to make one of those 2 lose. But that's still a 50% chance to win for him, hoping I'd pick him or hoping I wasn't in contact with the jester instead of his 1% chance to lynch gonzaw
Nah, I contact you and you know who the jester is and win with him, kill me. I don't consider that a coinflip and I didn't think it was that farfetched to try and get gonzaw lynched, especially if he turned out to be jester instead of pgo (I didn't know which of iamp/gonzaw was which)
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On January 14 2013 03:33 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:29 Clarity_nl wrote:On January 14 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:On January 14 2013 03:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yes, toad, but you cannot do that as town. Voting anything but a no lynch during day 1 in this setup is anti town, there is no way around it. That's why I suggested the fourth townie in the setup. So there can be a lynch day 1.
Jiexian, playing the way I did was the only conceivable way that I could have won, if you can explain a different way I could have handled it, I'm all ears.
edit: no, they're not, gonzaw was a lynch candidate too, he was just a weak one and I couldn't convince dandel Hmm ok. Thing is he was convinced that you are the shrink and I don't know what you 2 said to each other. That's how you knew you were going to get NKed? Well, me or dandel, then the other. This was the only opportunity to lynch Toad, I guess, but I feel the current setup is (if not scum favored) very hard for town, especially since day 1 is forced no-lynch (you can't seriously say otherwise, can you? There's a reason we no-lynched for 4 cycles) Town could have easily won with night actions alone
Yeah but that feels more like a random chance kinda deal. If both sides play decently (like they did this game) then night actions won't win the game for town.
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On January 14 2013 03:37 gonzaw wrote:
This game was kind of boring to.me.i had no night action and either nobody pmed.me/responded to my pms or they bullshited the hell out of me
i knew jiexian ciuld be fucking wiy me, but he.was the only one pming me so i still told him stuff
I really didn't need anything from you or iamp, lol.
Didn't talk much to either of you. I think cause you replaced in this is what happened.
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