EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXXV - Page 22
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OmniEulogy
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zarepath
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##Unvote Acid~ ##Vote Laguerta Acid will be modkilled, and while replacing him isn't necessarily a good thing, we do know Laguerta is spineless. So, there it is. I'll be doing a more thorough filter read N1. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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Trotske
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 14 2013 08:16 Acid~ wrote: (1) To answer the question about Policy-lynching lurkers: As far as I'm concerned you are all guilty until proven innocent and anything you don't say will be used against you, so you better start talking. (2) @Mocsta: You say you want to foster a positive town atmosphere, but you instantly lash out at anyone showing signs of aggression, which is an essential town trait. (3) It is you who hindered discussion on day 1, by drowning inquisitive players in walls of text containing little to no substance. (4) A few posts after agreeing with zare/omni about the need to build strong cases and making attacks based on rationality, you goad Oats into an OMGUS vote, with no other claim than "other people agree with me that you're fostering a bad town atmosphere". (5) What I want from you: quotes from Oatsmaster showing how he intimidated people into not posting, since this is your claim. OR admit that you were biased against Oats and a victim of confirmation bias Acid, I welcome your contributions. I know you posted at the 11th hour, but the thoughts and motivations read genuine and original. Town should welcome these type of posts in particular from low post count participants. I am going to address the items you raised. (1) Agree with this completely. Everyone needs to prove with their actions they are innocent. Actions speak louder than words. At the same time, this sentiment has already been shared (myself included) so whilst I value the stance, we will see if your actions reflect your stance overtime. (2) Instantly lash out? My posts to Oatsmaster and Sn0_Man were written very respectfully. I think you are jumping to an unfounded conclusion. If I may remind you: + Show Spoiler [Calling out overt aggression] + On January 12 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote: @Sn0_Man I appreciate the sense of energy you are giving back to this thread, and I certainly do not want to deter that; town needs this energy. BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid". I think we both want the same thing, a town environment where people can voice their opinion and join together for the scum hunt. When you say "it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast"; that alienates participants from wanting to contribute. You are actually creating an environment scum can thrive in with that attitude - even though I doubt that is your intention. I ask that you please think about the above. On January 13 2013 07:18 Mocsta wrote: EBWOP On January 13 2013 07:14 Mocsta wrote: Wow. Thats it over the night shift. Oats u sound like sno_man. perhaps the aggresion u 2 have shown is why there is a lack of discussion. I think u should read what i posted to him. My questions are ice breakers and i have not a genuine comment from *YOU* to stimulate town conversation. In fact. You are deterring conversation. @oatsmaster Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations Personally, I do not know how that is lashing out? I think its being respectful. If you want a reminder of the posts I responded to here you go + Show Spoiler [Aggressive Posts] + On January 12 2013 14:04 Sn0_Man wrote: Mocsta 2) How do you think scum would try to get influence with us? From what I have seen in my 2 games, it depends on the person. Some have lurked hardcore, some have given minimal contributions. If we have a solid town atmosphere, and people can share opinions freely, I am sure we can reduce the influence! 2) With posts just like your one above On January 13 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta stop being useless and repeating what other people have already said. On January 13 2013 00:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Question 1. How does a yes/no question start discussion? Thats right, it doesnt. Question 2. How is that relevant in a game of Newbies where everyone is just trying to provide an answer that may not be accurate. Question 3. Please dont mention pool. Again. (3) How. My posts have plenty of substance. I have followed up my reads and tried to get others to contribute regularly. Where is your evidence to back up your assertion; this looks to me like flinging shit at the most active player Day 1. And how am I drowning out discussion. I am Active, I am Open, and my play is Transparent. My game is completely ab-lib, and Im doing this all whilst figuring this game out. Just because my filter is large does not prevent others from posters. I have been actively asking others to contribute, whilst giving my own input. This looks to me like trying to justify your own woeful activity this game. Remember, you are guilty till proven innocent. (4) When did I GOAD Oatsmaster into OMGUS. Provide evidence to back this up. I call him out of line, and then his beviour did not change. I cast my suspicion on him, and gave benefit of the doubt.. it would be poor townie play to instantly vote, we need to question our reads. .. Since when did casting suspicion count as "goading a reaction" .. its all part of scumhunting and Oatsmaster is accountable for his own actions. (5) What is even the intention of this question. The fact is.. if people were intimidated they would not post. Oatsmaster himself identifies he is partially responsible the lack of a solid scum read (at the time).. On January 13 2013 20:59 Oatsmaster wrote: . I think if you interpret context at the time, the lack of scum read had to do with the minmal discussion (and you were a large culprit of the lack of contributions)The problem I have with Mocsta isnt that he is 'leading' town, Its that there are less than 12 hours left ( I like to repeat this) And no one has a solid scum read. And I dont think its my fault totally. Hence; When I re-read your post I finish my impressions are as follows: You have come into the thread after lurking the entire first day, and have thrown shit around and posted with strong emotions. Regardless, I am still glad your are finally starting to do something, but, as I have broken down above, its not actually scum hunting. So far all I have seen are arguments that are wrong at best, and hypocritical at worst. Some of us would even suggest this is scummy behavior. I am going to watch you keenly over your next few posts and determine whether you are scum or null. | ||
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Sn0_Man
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shz
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shz
Germany2687 Posts
On January 14 2013 11:41 Sn0_Man wrote: ##Vote: Mocsta Lol, wtf. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Monday morning I'll finish reading the thread, but for now, Mocsta has done very little to foster a townie atmosphere while working far too hard to throw in subliminal townie claims for my liking. | ||
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OmniEulogy
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Sn0_Man
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OmniEulogy
Canada6593 Posts
On January 14 2013 11:43 Sn0_Man wrote: Admittedly, I've been pretty inactive. Lets just way weekends aren't when I anticipate putting a lot of effort into Mafia. Monday morning I'll finish reading the thread, but for now, Mocsta has done very little to foster a townie atmosphere while working far too hard to throw in subliminal townie claims for my liking. Such as... proof 1 proof 2 proof 3 proof 4... If you had made this case during N1 instead of at the very end of D1... well... you didn't make a case but... I think it would have suited you much better. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
laguerta is scummy, but I really dont feel confident in lynching him... He isnt here to defend himself, so... Also from past experience, scum has always been around at the deadline so... | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Ironically, he and Oats are the only ones whose votes agree with each other. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On January 14 2013 11:49 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont know who to vote for....... laguerta is scummy, but I really dont feel confident in lynching him... He isnt here to defend himself, so... Also from past experience, scum has always been around at the deadline so... Therefore you are scum? QED | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Acid will be modkilled, and while replacing him isn't necessarily a good thing, we do know Laguerta is spineless So we lynch a spineless player? or we lynch scum. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
What is the point of this post? You have posted like 2 vote posts and nothing else. No scum hunting, no effort to question people. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
And him being absent at the deadline isn't too far different from him being absent for most of the day (although admittedly I have been, too). If he were town right now, he would be rushing to defend himself. If he were mafia, he would be wondering how he can get out of this because he's set to be lynched, and that's a tougher problem to solve because he knows he IS mafia. I think voting for nobody could easily be a noobish attempt to avoid scrutiny. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Ye Old Vote Count If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. Laguerta (7) - Mandalor, OmniEulogy, Glurio, Shz, Oatsmaster, Mocsta, Zarepath Sn0_Man (1) - Zebezt, Mandalor (1) - Trotske, zebezt (1) - Acid~ Mocsta (1) - Sn0_Man, bringaniga (0) - Oatsmaster (0) - shz (0) - Acid~ (0) - No-Lynch (1) - Laguerta Currently Laguerta is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have 1 hour and 2 minutes left to vote! Deadline is at 04:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On January 14 2013 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote: What is the point of this post? You have posted like 2 vote posts and nothing else. No scum hunting, no effort to question people. It's to highlight the false logic in your argument. If you are only unsure about laguerta because he isn't here to defend himself... yet you describe him as "scummy," I find that to be a poor reason to not vote for him, because that same logic would make YOU scummy, since you ARE here, close to the deadline. You surely didn't mean to call yourself scummy (although you don't really need to defend yourself, I guess), so I think you should vote for laguerta unless you have another reason to not vote for him, or a better scum read. | ||
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