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On February 02 2013 06:50 RockHydra wrote:  /me slaps suck with a large trout whyyyyyyy would you give him those ideas and also why not play words of war i asked: [9:53:32 PM] strongandbig: it only does damage when we would draw a card [9:53:38 PM] strongandbig: and we cant draw a card and play it both in this turn [9:53:50 PM] strongandbig: it being words of war in the previous sentence | ||
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On February 02 2013 06:50 RockHydra wrote: /me slaps suck with a large trout whyyyyyyy would you give him those ideas srsly? he could have done all that stuff during the attack phase, after we had all committed to a plan that wouldn't work anyways like, you really want to base your game play on the hope that both he and his scum buddy are terrible at mtg and also don't pay attention to the game at all? | ||
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i dont think we could have he has more lands left, he could have just sacced one to stop another zombie | ||
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On February 02 2013 07:01 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Yes it's a far better solution to yell at scum what they are supposed to do from the rooftops. Repeatedly. You're right! Such a genius! ~dandel whatevs. this is a stupid line of argumentation and im not going to continue it any more. however you are wrong. | ||
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[10:06:28 PM] Andrew McDougall: see [10:06:29 PM] Andrew McDougall: the question is [10:06:38 PM] Andrew McDougall: who is crossfire playing with that didn't give him the same advice as we did? | ||
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On February 02 2013 07:42 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Well....Aperture was AFK at that time wasn't him?  You could also make the argument for Nova or Stutters not knowing much about game strategies to figure it out or some shit, or just straight up not showing up in the QT to tell him. Thus we are at the same spot basically. This didn't seem like an elaborate strategy from Suck to "confirm himself as town" by "giving" Xfire the idea and him implementing it, and of course Suck seems town for other reasons. CH is town for....like a bunch of shit I don't want to list, again has nothing to do with him "giving him advice", although that could still hold. Bin is town for having scum trying to kill him asap and other reasons. Rock seems townie for dispatching Xfire's Soul Warden, which would seem unnecessary for Xfire to put out in the first place if Rock planned it since the beginning (or at least knew it could happen once they saw the global card....I assume). So the whole "who gave him advice" thing doesn't tell me much unfortunately :/ /G Anyway, now I'm done lynching all your team-mates in LIX, I can really have fun here! And yes, you're right about what it means. Which isn't so much. I'll read up on all those guys tomorrow. I still agree with your Aperture case, though. Not that much changed since then. We'll see | ||
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On February 03 2013 02:49 Clockwork Hydra wrote: Stutters is blatantly drawing attention to himself with this post. He is walking up to one of the towniest townies in the game, who, as scum he knows is 100% town and doesn't have the lingering doubts of other townies that Gonzaw might just be faking it all. He then says "POKE, pay attention to me!" for no fucking reason at all. There are very few scum who feel comfortable drawing attention to themselves and they are invariably known as some of the best scum players on the forum. Stutters is either an absolute natural at playing scum, or he is town. PS. He doesn't just do it that once either. He pokes you too for no reason except to get your reaction... and later pokes me for, in his own mind, letting him off the hook when I had said I wouldn't do that. Now he is either a fucking mastermind scum in his very first game as scum ever, or he is a townie towner. /Acro I would probably have agreed with this wholeheartedly a couple of weeks ago, but just recently Xatalos, as mafia, in Dessert Mafia did a similar thing. He constantly drew attention to himself. Xatalos is pretty new himself (or, perhaps has played 1 game more or something) and while I respect and like him (we've shared many PMs in the past), he's not yet a mafia savant or anything. Yet he did the same. So I don't think it's as cast-iron as you make it sound here. anyway, I'm not saying this to shed suspicion on stutters, because i've not even properly filtered him yet, but it's maybe not quite as strong a heuristic as you think. -marvelbabe | ||
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On February 03 2013 06:38 RockHydra wrote: Well if it was bulletproof, why did Suck and DFTP disagree? I agree though that any deductions based on this action are not very strong. /zebezt First of all, it wasn't bulletproof, but it was correct. Important distinction! ^^ Secondly, I don't think I/DFTP disagreed with it, we just thought the Aperture case was stronger. Aperture answering "the case was shit" isn't really good enough either. There are parts of the case that are very strong. iGrok being an egotistical dickhead doesn't excuse him playing like the rest of us. | ||
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So anyway, the only thing I found that I particularly didn't like (and there's probably not a good reason for this) is: On January 30 2013 08:54 Stutters695 wrote: -snip- I need to read over the hydras filters to get a feel for who is most likely scum out of them, but holistically I'd lean towards aperture currently. 'holistically'. Dunno. Rubbed me the wrong way, I did a double take on it. There are some things I do like, though. On January 30 2013 08:54 Stutters695 wrote: Now regarding who I think is scum, I agree I think at least 1 hydra is scum. I know I'm not and currently nova feels town to me. Crossfire I'm somewhat suspicious of. He might not know MtG that well but of all of his posts nothing is an original thought except gonzaw is scummy for a post that once he explained it he agreed with (although less extreme). What concerns me about that is that he's advocating defending attacks as long as they're offensive also which is beneficial to scum much more than town from my view. I like the reasoning in bold. Sticks the boot in with a townie mindset. Good. On February 01 2013 00:37 Stutters695 wrote: -snip- Going to skip his defending himself since what he said makes sense, but it'd be what he would say if he was town or scum. What he says in regards to scumhunting in that post actually was a decent post that I agreed with a lot of. What really concerned me about it (I can definitely relate to the low amount of time to play) is that despite seeming convinced of COn's guilt he never attacks CH again or discusses anything with the town to prove his innocence/work with us, despite the higher emphasis on teamwork in this. When I am on a tight schedule, I have two focuses. If I have a read I'm confident about it is getting them lynched, if I don't it is doing whatever I can to work with the town to convince them off my innocence. X doesn't do either of these. Instead of discussing what to do with his mana. Because he's posted so little it's hard to quantify, but it appears he's in it for himself and is hiding something. The emotional part I'm not so sure of how scummy that is, but to not discuss anything in the thread into dropping his mana on two creatures worries me. I need to check his past games, but when I replaced into whose line he was calm and although he didn't post a lot, he gave reasons and was transparent with his actions. This feels incredibly different. I liked this section of the post a lot. Seems like a stream of consciousness, seems genuine, sincere. It reads like he's saying what he thinks about things, with honesty about his thought process. I mean, I guess it *could* be faked? but when I read this it seems like I understand exactly the angle he's coming from. This post I labelled as "interesting": On February 01 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote: The case against aperture is good however two things concern me about it. First is your timing although this is a very minor point because with how few attackers there are. You said in your case that you had already given him extra time so why not post it twelve hours into the phase instead of less than an hour before the deadline? The other is that we still haven't seen grey and earlier you guys made it sound like iGrok trolls early. I'd have to check his meta for that but I don't have the time at the moment. I'll look into it, but I think cross is so obviously scum he must die first. Very sure that Crossfire is scum at this point (this is before Crossfire started trolling.) This was also somewhat before Crossfire did that 16 damage/health thing. It's interesting that he's so sure, but I'm not going to hold it against him much, as he was attacking a mafia after all. Finally, a post I empathised with: On February 03 2013 01:56 Stutters695 wrote: Regarding the Xfire thing, he had been discussed, his play was scummy and his lack of any defense felt like it wasn't worth wasting my time typing a post considering I was busy and I could have used that time looking at other people. If you'll notice when Gonzaw asked for me to expand, I expanded, including original thoughts showing how blatantly not like his town meta he was playing. If you consider that sheeping I don't know what to tell you. Feels totally reasonable. I did the same thing; I read and agreed with the Crossfire suspicions and cba to go into it when it wasn't necessary. Perhaps the oddest thing about it is that in fact he did feel the need to expand and be not sheepy, whereas I just thought rehashing things is stupid and dumb. But Stutters isn't me, so ;D Conclusion: Most of all I think I get town-vibes from Stutters. I'm not entirely sure, but I'm going with that. Just reading through his filter, it all feels like a consistent stream of thought, I can understand what he's saying, and it doesn't feel like there's an underlying agenda to it. | ||
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Goin for a smoke then looking at Aperture again. | ||
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On January 29 2013 10:13 Stutters695 wrote: 4)RH does concern me. The fact he entered to defend 0/X without any specifics worries me. Especially how he says to suit his purposes, not the town's. On January 31 2013 10:15 Stutters695 wrote: First and foremost RH entrance feels town. He was pretty fierce about defending his 0/X creatures and seeing that they're artifacts I can see some synergies that make sense with that(memories of that artifact deck in DotP mostly). I'm not seeing the connections to a Ninja deck from that but I'm sure it'll become apparent. If he just chumps then then disregard this, but it felt town. What changed? | ||
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stutters - probably not mafia nova - super useless. could be mafia Aperture - clearly pushing the most 'agenda'. First Bin, now Stutters. My own feelings/analysis at least leads me to thinking that they're *wrong*, so it's certainly possible they're being wrong on purpose. RH - not looked into yet | ||
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On February 04 2013 06:26 RockHydra wrote: The whole argument that marv is never suspected of being scum on day 1 is terrible, but not sure if that points to scumminess. For what it's worth, I use it every time I'm in trouble on Day 1, and given it's essentially 100% correct, it's not that terrible Anyways, Nova. Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. Whichever alignment he is, nothing he says can basically be taken seriously because he's not reading the thread properly at all. So my plan is to find out if he's mafia by seeing if the other guys could be town or not. Rock is a little weird. Mostly zebezt. At some point yesterday (page 7 of their filter), we were apparently more suspicious than Aperture, somehow. Weird. Then after filtering me, decides I'm less scummy, and also trusts my word that Stutters does the whole promise-and-fail to contribute thing as town. So it seems I've moved down the scumometer and so has Stutters based on my word, and Aperture by default has moved up a couple of spots. The most disconcerting thing is actually the avoidance of Aperture. He's been a hot topic yet RH seems to be dancing around him a bit. Conclusion? Hmmph. I still can't see much in the way of redeeming features. He made his case on Bin before, but never discussed anyone's conclusions on him. Now he's done the same thing with Stutters. The case has been made but there's absolutely zero interaction with town about it. Grey is back now and doing as much as he was when he was in Italy. Where Aperture looks 1000 times worse than Rock, for example, is that Rock is usually involved and discussing with the thread. Rock at least seems interested in what other people have to say. At the moment I'm inclined to think that Aperture is mafia, and Nova is town by elimination. | ||
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On February 04 2013 07:05 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote: Well....I guess Aperture's "case" could be considered effort? But he's not defending himself against my case and other accusations, and is lurking, and everybody wants to kill him (maybe except Rock) and he's not doing much; so in that case it's not that much effort It does apply to Nova though I suppose. /G So, gonzaw, your running theory is that once Crossfire is totally outed, then say Aperture becomes totes pro-town n shit? Having failed to be for the entire game? If you're not capable of being pro-town before your scumbuddy got outed, you're probably not that capable after, either  | ||
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