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RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 30 2013 19:44 GMT
#758
EBWOP: zomg my math seems to be off.. make that 14%
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 30 2013 19:51 GMT
#759
My thoughts on BinOnFire:

They seem town enough to me. MG makes a good point about the cards that they play. They are helpful to town. Of course we have to see how that pans out next turn, but right now we don't have much in the way of damage to throw around anyway.
The main source of confusion seems to be oats, who is playing very weirdly. I think this is just down to bad play. Played with him in newbie game and he did not make a very strong impression on me there.


My thoughts on CW:
Seems happy to have people play a card that will help him a lot, although he was wary of cards that help a certain person too much. Makes total sense to me. Anyone will be happy if a card is played that helps them, wether they are scum or town. I am wary of giving too much power to CW, but I would love it if a card would turn out great for me.

/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 30 2013 20:12 GMT
#770
On January 31 2013 05:01 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 04:41 RockHydra wrote:
On January 31 2013 03:10 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
So who do you think is that scum hydra?
If you are not the scum hydra, at least help us get him.


Also that's the truth marv. Or rather it's something I know WILL happen in this game (it's kind of inevitable). You can't just say "Fuck you just make a decent read on me, if you don't it's your fault", mafia doesn't work like that.

/G


I find this whole "people assume there must be a scum hydra" thing of yours to be suspicious.
I don't think anyone specifically said there must be a scum hydra. It seems like you are trying to push the discussion in a certain direction without a good reason.

Is it likely that there is a scum hydra? Yes, because there are so many hydra's.
Is it unlikely there is no scum hydra? Not very unlikely. (12%)

It is as likely a lone player is scum, as that a hydra is scum, so why look at hydra's only?

/zebezt


Well, I'd like to see that math of yours. I got that there is a 9% chance no hydra is scum, and that's if scum are chosen uniformly (I might have gotten it wrong though)
Take away uniformity to take balance and stuff into account, and that chance is even smaller.
Take into account that Nova doesn't seem to be scum, thus that the only way no hydra is scum is if both Stutters+Crossfire are scum, and that chance goes even lower and lower.

Also lol:
Show nested quote +
I find this whole "people assume there must be a scum hydra" thing of yours to be suspicious.

If I am scum, then what I'm saying is 100% true isn't it?

I want to put attention on hydras, and not let anybody fly under the radar. Again (I've said this like 10 times), so we don't repeat what happened last game.

I won't 100% oppose a Stutters+Crossfire scumteam though, if there is evidence for such. And I'd probably not oppose it after someone flips, not before most likely.

/G


Bleh.. I kinda forgot you are a hydra too, since you never sign your posts
Also I was wrong on the math. *sigh
I should sleep early tonight.
On third attempt I arrive at 8% (3/9)*(2/8) I might be off on that again though.

Why do you think Nova is not scum? I just looked through his filter
He did not post a whole lot. Did not scumhunt very hard. Made some "me too" posts.
Didn't really scream "town" to me

/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 30 2013 20:14 GMT
#771
ah great. You guys agree with me now. Math brings people together :D
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 30 2013 20:17 GMT
#773
Btw.. is that a thing, where the OP decides to make the teams fair by having an experienced scum?
Is that likely to happen?

/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 30 2013 20:52 GMT
#784
On January 31 2013 05:33 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
@Rock: What do you think of Suck? You haven't mentioned them in that "thoughts" post of yours.

Also again, if you had to choose, which one of Nova/Cross/Stutters is scum and why? Or if you think all 3 are town, explain to me why you think Cross is town

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 05:06 Aperture Science wrote:
Basically there's two likely possible scumteams: hydra+maverick and hydra+hydra. in the previous sentence, which word appeared more, hydra or maverick? that what kind of player we should focus on to find scum.


What's your "updated" read on Bin?
What about the other hydras?


If you guys are going against Nova+Stutters/etc, remember: It's VERY unlikely 2 of them are scum.

Thus, if you find Nova suspicious, you basically find Stutters and Crossfire like confirmed town. Same with the other 2.

Thus, if you put suspicion on any of them, before spouting stuff in the thread (or rather before actively FoSing any of them), think about how that changes your read on Stutters/Crossfire, and see if it's consistent and you agree.
If you think something is wrong, then better reconsider your initial push (unless you want to pressure the guy, which is fine I guess)

I am suspicious of Crossfire, and I don't see any inconsistencies with my reads on Nova and Stutters, thus I'm slightly more confident in that read.


A question!
I'm going to ignore it first, because your statement that if nova is scummy that stutters/cross are almost confirmed town is of course non sense. If Nova is confirmed scum, then stutters and cross are just as likely as anyone else to be scum.

Aaaaaaaaaanyway, I'm gonna take your word for it for now that Nova is playing normally. I don't have the time to check it unfortunately. Between stutters and crossfire, crossfire is the obvious choice just because of the lurkiness. I've read through both filters, and neither struck me as very scummy or townie. Crossfire hardly posted anything at all though. The game is still short though.. so that might all change. Crossfire made some excuses about not knowing mtg very well, but hasn't done any of the normal scumhunting either.


As a bonus, my read on DFTP: seemed scummy to me at first, but for no good raisin. Tried reading his filter, gave up, seemed genuinely angry at the trolling though, so that's nice. Also warning people to play their cards is appreciated. So feeling a bit more confident on towniness now.

Now im going to play shuriken!

ninja hydra ftw!

/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 30 2013 23:28 GMT
#841
Hopeless -
I've just caught up with the thread, I'd like to echo this:

On January 31 2013 07:23 SuckMyTopdeck wrote:
I don't think I've ever read anything that less demonstrates how someone is mafia. For that, I congratulate you.

-marvelbabe

In no way does this constitute a townread on suckmytopdeck, but I didn't find much in that case. For one thing, it only addressed the FIRST PAGE of SuckMyTopDeck's filter. He was up to four pages at the time of posting.

As to what was asked of my hydra-head, I'm not sure if you specifically wanted zebezt's read or a read from "us", but I can't read marv day 1 for the life of me. He's null until he fails to give a shit as the game progresses. SnB is banking heavily on his "experience" from MTG (I) as far as I can tell. They've both started to show suspicion towards Nova, which is completely reasonable to me.




I also have a problem with cross neglecting to tell us anything about what he's doing, so I agree with DFTP (both of them)
On January 31 2013 08:02 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Cute scum claim cross, good to see you working with town on this one.

P

I also have a good fucking reason to dislike the presence of deathrite shaman on the board, so that's an even bigger kick in the nuts from Cross.


I have no reason to attack this turn, so I'm not gonna. I wouldn't mind if cross pointed his goblin guide at me since I can block it with minimal/no repercussions (aside from a tapped goblin).

~Hopeless
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 30 2013 23:35 GMT
#846
On January 31 2013 08:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Attack Phase 1 has now begun. Remember that all creatures have haste.

ALL creatures, or creatures played during Turn 1 (as per the OP)?

Also, I think SnB asked, the ninja deck is just for fun. My draw looks alright, but I'm not really going to be a powerhouse for a while, if at all.

~Hopeless
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 01:08 GMT
#866
On January 31 2013 10:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 08:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:


Hopeless, I'd really like if you could comment on the stuff that happened in the thread so far.
For instance the whole Nova vs Suck thing, comment on Aperture and his play, what you think about the "at least 1 hydra is scum, who is it?" thingy, etc.

/G

Nova vs Suck
Colors are relative and not necessarily representative of strong reads


Aperture
That analysis post/link is awesome as far as scumhunting goes. He's set a standard for himself that needs to be upheld so I feel quite good about his overall contributions so far, and I expect similar in the future.


At least 1 hydra...
BinOnFire is my pick right now if I have to pick one, but I don't necessarily subscribe to the 1 (non)-hydra MUST 100% be scum. I'm rereading right now and grabbing dinner. Back soon.

~Hopeless

Oh yeah, the hydra part of this.
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 06:48 GMT
#887
Good morning all
I guess I was afraid of this. I don't have any good reads on anyone, "so that means we're scum".
It's BS of course. The game is only 1 day long, there isn't much to go on yet.
It's not my style to accuse people based on trivialities.

/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 07:03 GMT
#889
*shrugs
I have no previous knowledge of hopeless' gameplay so I can't comment on that.
He posted some reads in QT, that he might elaborate on himself when he is ready.

/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 08:18 GMT
#892
On January 31 2013 17:09 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 15:48 RockHydra wrote:
Good morning all
I guess I was afraid of this. I don't have any good reads on anyone, "so that means we're scum".
It's BS of course. The game is only 1 day long, there isn't much to go on yet.
It's not my style to accuse people based on trivialities.

/zebezt


Actually, this game is 3 days long, dear.
The "there isn't much to go on yet" part is false, at least to form opinions (if not black and white "he's scum/town" reads).

Also in a normal game you'd be crucified for saying that (considering you would have voted for a lynch by now).

Also hey, I don't have "good reads" on people either, yet I'm not being called out as scum, which reduces the possibilities for scum in many people's eyes, thus making the game easier for town. That's something isn't it? You guys should try it some time.

/G


I'm not your dear, buddy
If I would have had to vote, my vote would have gone to crossfire for posting absolutely nothing, yet finding time to cast spells.
Suck is starting to look suspicious to me, but that is mainly based on what I read skimming through the thread this morning. Good post from Nova I think. I haven't read Suck's filter myself yet, so I'm not going to deep into it.

Just checked all of CH's discards, pretty cool looking deck. I noticed a nevinerals (?) disk being discarded. That seems slightly townie to me. If I was scum I would hang on to that bad boy. Blasting away everything is pretty good for scum since their mob survives.

/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 08:21 GMT
#893
Oh and I meant mafia days, not actual days.
My last post before the one where I said I had only had 1 day was before the mainphase was over.

/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 08:52 GMT
#896
DFTP:
regarding xfire, I find this post particulary interesting

On January 31 2013 08:19 Crossfire99 wrote:This makes no sense seriously. I'm just...lask;dfjkl;sdjlakj.f...aaaaaarrrrrrgggggggggggggg...why are you attacking me for playing according to my reads...ajdsfljdfiopjdoajfp


It seems like tryhard appearing angry to me. Might be my confirmation bias though.
His case on CH is crap. Not the kind of crap caused by not having time, but by grasping at straws if you ask me.

After all his apologies there still aren't any good contributions.

/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 11:37 GMT
#903
On January 31 2013 10:15 Stutters695 wrote:

...

Then to defend not looking at hydras when mathematically it is way more likely for a hydra is svummy as duck to me.



I never said we shouldn't look at hydra's. I just think it is weird to work from the assumption there must be a hydra.
(I was an idiot and thought DFTP was not a hydra though and that this made him look scummy)

I still stand by that. Anyone is as likely to be scum as anyone else, so logically it makes no sense to ask a question like "who do you think is the scum hydra". Better to just ask who is scum.
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 14:19 GMT
#915
On January 31 2013 23:09 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I'm interested zeb, can you make a case on our friend Xfire? I'd like to see your points laid out in one place so I can see what you are thinking.
p


I can after dinner (approx 4 hours from now)
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 14:20 GMT
#918
My hydra-tip: use two browsers

/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 15:10 GMT
#936
On January 31 2013 23:47 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Just as our discarding of Larry's Disk says NOTHING about our alignment and anybody trying to read shit into it is wrong (not that I am worried about you thinking I'm town because of it, it's just fucking stupid to use THAT of all things to think so).
/Acro


I'm so sorry
I still think its slightly townie.. although you could have 2 more in your hand of course :D


I agree though that the shaman is not indicative until it is used. Gotta play with the cards you are dealt.
The timing of it all is still suspicious though.


/zebezt
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 17:57 GMT
#946
On January 31 2013 12:29 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 12:14 MidnightGladius wrote:
When you ask so nicely, how could I possibly refuse you?

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eH55vAZ5JTcd

iGrok!

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 11:24 BinOnFire wrote:
CH is scum.
Also hopeless wtf man,
why you so lurky?

Are you genuinely upset that I'm lurky? Like...if someone had to pick 1 word to describe me, that's probably the one.

Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 11:37 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
I think I might be the only person in the whole game left out of this "CH is scum" fan group that has formed..

/G

Nah, I'm right there with you.

So...I've reread and haven't come up with much that I can report on right now, nothing strikes me as scummy enough to pursue at this point. I'm headed to bed. See you all tomorrow.

~Hopeless

On February 01 2013 02:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 01 2013 02:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Suck, when Stutters has made a greater contribution to the thread than you, things are starting to look pretty bad.

wait what? which filter have I been looking at, stutters hasn't done shit to me

I swear, I'm getting the hang of this hydra thing.
RockHydra
Profile Joined January 2013
Pitcairn222 Posts
January 31 2013 18:10 GMT
#951
On February 01 2013 03:02 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2013 09:04 RockHydra wrote:
On January 29 2013 08:53 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Also, if someone even dares to play a 0/X creature with no abilities, then I'll seriously have to consider "policy lynching" you

Why 0/X creatures suck:
If you are scum, then it means that you have 1 blockable and basically indestructible monster. Thus, town have to spend more effort/time to kill you, thus you survive longer

If you are town, then it means that maybe a random scum won't attack you directly that easy....maybe?

If you are town, try to establish your innocence (preferably following the commandments above). If you do, then no townie should attack you AT ALL the whole game. If scum want to attack you, they have to FoS you first. If they do it badly the rest of town will fuck him up, so don't worry, don't be afraid and put a 0/X beast just to "defend" yourself.

If you do however, we also can't know if you are mafia or not, since 0/X creatures are good for mafia as well. So you basically confuse the hell out of town, and maybe even convince town to kill you

If you have a 0/X beast to play, please tell us first, and most importantly tell us why you are playing it, so we don't try to "policy kill" you.
I'll heavily consider killing anybody that doesn't follow this.


I also don't see many downsides to stating to the thread what you are playing before you do (if it's something unblockable, etc), so consider doing that.

For instance:
I'm playing BlooodStained Mire, a land card right now

Has no effect at all for now (I'm not activating it until I consult with Prom)

My reasons for having 0/X creatures are completely separate from the merits of playing Mafia. They were selected based on the supposed synergy they provide for my deck. In addition, my deck was selected before my alignment so your entire argument is completely invalidated. I have 0/X creatures and I will play them because they further my goals, and ultimately the town's goals since I need my deck to function in order to do anything. If you feel the need to policy an 0/X creature, you're doing it wrong.
~Hopeless

I'm headed out to dinner.


Here you say they further your goals, which is presumably to play ninjas. However, the first thing you actually DO with them is:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2013 08:28 RockHydra wrote:
<snip>
I have no reason to attack this turn, so I'm not gonna. I wouldn't mind if cross pointed his goblin guide at me since I can block it with minimal/no repercussions (aside from a tapped goblin).

~Hopeless

AKA keep them as a blocker.

Why the inconsistency in play? I'm starting to agree with SnB here. If a creature can attack, it should be.

/Acro

I have no mana with which to ninjutsu anything into play. Attacking with two 0/3 creatures for shits and giggles isn't my style unfortunately
~Hopeless
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