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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 19 2012 03:38 GMT
#288
This will be my first game Spaghetticus.

I'm going to go to sleep a bit early tonight, didn't get any sleep last night so I've been having a lot of trouble forming thoughts of any kind. I'll be of more use in the morning.. or night for our aussie friends
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 19 2012 08:20 GMT
#301
To play devils advocate for Theesr on his stance on lurkers. I could see scum using LAL to their advantage and making us waste most of D1 while they play it safe and then bandwagon a lurker, we lynch said lurker he turns up to be town and if things have really gone poorly we learn nothing and scum comes out ahead of us on D1.

I agree with Kickstart entirely when he says we should push scum reads over policy lynches. Truthfully I'm more worried about anybody who thinks we should lynch lurkers without second thought.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 19 2012 08:42 GMT
#307
Honestly the only idea I can come up with as much as I hate to admit it (I'm a total newbie) is to try and either put pressure on somebody who hasn't been very active with posting, even if they are town we could get some interesting replies from other players or target Theesr for his comments on lurking.

A player who doesn't want to add a lot to conversations or help scumhunt doesn't come across as being town to me, but I'm inexperienced so does anybody else have thoughts on the matter? Personally I'd love to know why he wants to lurk
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 19 2012 09:04 GMT
#309
Seems that way to me, I also noticed that when you asked cDgCorazon about lurking/lying he was the only one who got defensive, could also be a small tell.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 19 2012 09:08 GMT
#310
EBWOP: I'd like to hear from Corazon why he felt like it was wrong for you to ask him to expand when you had been asking everybody the same questions.

Sorry for the short posts I'm working off like 3 hours of sleep again and it's 4am
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 00:29 GMT
#448
Hey guys, I just got home sorry for being so late.

After reading through everything first and foremost

##Vote: cDgCorazon He slipped up so badly I can't believe it was a mistake. He actually claimed mafia after an already terrible start while being defensive and being overly cautious of most of his posts. I think Theesr's constant back and forth with him made him slip up.

He constantly says who benefits from a 1 day Lynch. Town does in this situation even if we lynch him and he turns out town. If this happens I'm almost positive Theesr is scum, he's been trying to spread confusion and is openly claiming he doesn't want to post a lot or explain himself. Extremely scummy behavior. If it wasn't for the fact that Corazon literally said he was mafia and didn't even correct it until somebody else brought it up (meaning in his mind the sentence made sense) then I would be trying to start a hunt on Theesr.

The only thing making me think Theesr is just a bad town is the way he's been aggressively going for Corazon, on D1 I would never expect two mafia players to try and lynch each other they just can't afford to.

I believe at the moment our best bet is to lynch Corazon at the end of D1, see who jumps on the bandwagon and if he flips scum we'll be able to look at who tried to defend him, who eventually gave in, and who was set on lynching him right away. If he flips town and I've made a mistake on my reads than Theesr is most likely scum and used the fact that Corazon was not posting comfortably at the start to secure a town lynch D1.

Either way we as town get an extremely large amount of information if we lynch Corazon at the moment. Unless proven otherwise Corazon's slips have made him 100% scum in my mind.

I'm going to make something to eat and then I'll look over everything again just to make sure I've read everything correctly.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 00:34 GMT
#450
I've already given my thought on Corazon but let me finish eating and I'll get right onto everything FatChunk has said.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 00:50 GMT
#453
Theesr has been pushing him the most, also already getting a scummy read from him but because I believe Corazon is scum without a doubt I'm forced to believe Theesr is just playing town with a really bad mindset of lurking and not contributing.

If he latched onto Corazon because he realized he would be extremely easy to put him under suspicion. (followed by Corazon actually stating he's Mafia) I can't really see Corazon being town but if he is and has just made every mistake he could then my reason behind Theesr being shitty town would disappear and he would become my #1 scum read instead of #1 shitty town

He's tried to vote for 3 people in quick succession without any real reasons. Or at least he didn't explain them because he doesn't like to... so if Corazon isn't scum I believe Theesr is trying to throw us in multiple directions at once and just hoping something sticks. Luckily for him something did and I'm willing to believe it's just bad town play.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 00:53 GMT
#454
Also Chunk is the only one who has tried to defend Corazon but hasn't come completely out and said he thinks he's innocent, just that with ALL the evidence he still can't vote for him? I'm going to stick with Corazon as my #1 scum read but Chunk seems suspicious just based on that to me.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 01:28 GMT
#467
On December 20 2012 09:58 Chromatically wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2012 09:50 OmniEulogy wrote:
Theesr has been pushing him the most, also already getting a scummy read from him but because I believe Corazon is scum without a doubt I'm forced to believe Theesr is just playing town with a really bad mindset of lurking and not contributing.

If he latched onto Corazon because he realized he would be extremely easy to put him under suspicion. (followed by Corazon actually stating he's Mafia) I can't really see Corazon being town but if he is and has just made every mistake he could then my reason behind Theesr being shitty town would disappear and he would become my #1 scum read instead of #1 shitty town

He's tried to vote for 3 people in quick succession without any real reasons. Or at least he didn't explain them because he doesn't like to... so if Corazon isn't scum I believe Theesr is trying to throw us in multiple directions at once and just hoping something sticks. Luckily for him something did and I'm willing to believe it's just bad town play.

Here's where we disagree. I don't see a first time scum player doing as much crazy stuff as threesr has been doing. As scum threesr had no reason to say things like "I'm find with lurking" or to do something like switch his vote three times. Those things attract negative attention to him and don't help push a mafia agenda at all. People say things like "He's causing confusion", but there hasn't really been any confusion caused. I think it's far more likely that he's just a townie who doesn't really know what he's doing.


yeah I'm keeping my vote on Corazon and thinking Theesr was just playing a scummy town for those reasons
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 02:21 GMT
#472
you just said everything I tried to but failed to put properly into words in like 4 posts in a third of the words... <3 Shz

I'm still pushing for D1 Lynch on Corazon until anybody can convince me otherwise.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 02:56 GMT
#477
That is true but I think he's saying all three of them are the top scum picks and then based on information we gain from each of them the one we benefit the greatest from is Corazon from his list.
LiquidDota Staff
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 03:47 GMT
#488
@Spaghetticus

Alright Basically after reading through everything FatChunk has posted it's not really a give-away as Kickstart has just said. However I believe that FatChunk defending of Corazon, the fact that only he and Mocsta (who I believe to be town at the moment) are also voting for Theesr who is also as Kickstart mentioned an easy target because of his actions leads me to believe that we are right about Corazon and FatChunk is also scum trying to help start a bandwagon on Theesr so we don't lynch Corazon. This is a large assumption but it makes sense if they both are scum. FatChunk can't just sit idly by while we lynch his partner after all.
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OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 03:49 GMT
#490
However that is not a solid read because as I said in an earlier post the only reason I don't think Theesr is scum is because of Corazon. if Theesr is scum and he abused Corazon's mistakes properly then FatChunk would just be defending a townie and I would be wrong.
LiquidDota Staff
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 05:21 GMT
#512
The thing is we don't know if SK is even in the game. If he is Mocsta could very well be the SK and just trying to get along with everybody and do his best to scumhunt to curve suspicion, I could be the SK for pushing my idea for a lynch on you, shz could be the SK for generating reasons for why we should lynch multiple people. This early it is way too hard to tell how a 3rd party would play. You've given us the most reads as scum out of everybody from my point of view, and as we've discussed right now we have the most to gain from your lynch.

If anybody can clearly give us a way to gain more information while at the same time getting rid of suspicion of Corazon I am all for it. I don't want to lynch somebody who could be town just because we all tunnel him. Let's try and get some information from other lurkers. What do they think of the current situation ect.
LiquidDota Staff
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 05:23 GMT
#514
EBWOP when I say other lurkers I don't mean Corazon is a lurker. I just meant lurkers in the game. poor choice of words.
LiquidDota Staff
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 05:37 GMT
#517
no no Mocsta, thats what I was saying. Corazon tried to defend himself using the idea of Theesr being SK which is why I brought it up. We have no clue who or if anybody is SK so its pointless to worry about it. sorry if it was confusing to anybody else
LiquidDota Staff
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 09:22 GMT
#531
You have good points Spaghetticus but it doesn't really change my mind. People did come to his defense and tried to counter by voting for Threesr.

Corazon started off the game saying he hoped D1 would be quiet and peaceful and no real information should come out during it which also seems a little scummy as everybody else started off hoping for some good conversation and to build up leads. Not wait for N1/D2 where we lose somebody and have no information about why they die.

The fact that he's new CAN explain these things but I refuse to believe he is dumb. I think he thought it out and tried to come across as reasonable. I've already said I want to start going after the lurkers with our remaining time D1 and if we find something that removes Corazon from suspicion so be it.

My vote is not locked yet it is just on the person I find most likely to be scum. I don't think he's past the point of no return either. I believe the vote count is 5 for Corazon and 3 for Threesr at the moment. and as I said Threesr would be my #2 if it weren't for the fact that it wouldn't make any sense for both him and Corazon to be scum.

I'd like Corazon to tell us his top scum reads, and why they seem to be.

I'd also like to note to Spaghetticus and everybody else that if you are looking for more people who came to Corazon's defense, Orangeremi tried to make a case of why Corazon wasn't scum and went back to lurking. I'd like to actually hear why Orangeremi refused to give us an idea of who his top scum reads were and why he didn't actually say why Corazon wasn't acting scummy. The fact that he then put out the same three names for his top scum reads that everybody else had and then went into hiding again is also suspicious.

In Orangeremi's own words "Instead of looking for scum players, they would be making unjustified claims hoping others hop wagon in an attempt to get an innocent player lynched." and then "Otherwise, I have a slight suspicion of Sylencia that is based solely on a hunch and little to no evidence."

based on that... ##FOS Orangeremi
LiquidDota Staff
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 09:28 GMT
#533
EBWOP: ##FoS: Orangeremi oops.
LiquidDota Staff
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
December 20 2012 10:29 GMT
#539
@Orangeremi Are those three still your top reads? If not who is new and can you give any additional information about why you are focused on those players. I don't really have any more to say about anybody for now so I'd like to hear some other opinions about the way things are going.

Also if we had to vote right now how would you feel about a Corazon lynch? Best option or do you have better reads on somebody else?
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