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Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 06:13 GMT
#1372
I answered the question for hypothetical purposes, I don't think that FC will flip town. On the off chance that he does, then Orange is probably scum, but that doesn't really matter for today. FC is a better lynch today.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 15:15 GMT
#1391
On December 30 2012 15:41 FatChunk wrote:
@Chrom
There were numerous posts by you before i changed my vote to sHz:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 28 2012 07:25 Chromatically wrote:
That's a good point. I think it's less likely though, given that Orange has voted FC before. Also, I think that Kickstart would have been a better bus candidate, given that he has 0 influence with the town.

In fact, I think that this, along with his other scummy posting, is enough to warrant a shz lynch today:
##Unvote
##Vote: shz


On December 28 2012 07:40 Chromatically wrote:
He hasn't been scumhunting or even caring about the lynch. d1 he sheeped some cases, d2 he defended Omni and didn't even vote. Especially during d2, there's no way that he's honestly scumhunting but is unable to find a scumread to vote on d2.
I'm on my phone, so I can't quote posts, but he's just very uninterested in who is lynched.


On December 28 2012 08:18 Chromatically wrote:
In fact, you can ignore the thing I posted. There's no reason for a townie to not care at all about the d2 lynch. No pushing, no voting, nothing at all. Not town behavior.
Voteswitch time, everyone.



You influenced my vote to be moved to shz. sHz was not caring about the lynch, he sheeps, and votes null. I was sheeping kick. They were both top scum reads to me and so I thought either would be a fine lynch to get either, especially with you backing that switch too.

cake i can do that, sure.
##Vote: Orangeremi
Regarding who my reads besides orange and syl? the rest are probably town then. Am I missing something?
I am still a little suspicious of shz, kick could have easily attacked shz early to get shz far after he [kick] gets lynched for lurking.

Will post once more with lots of time before the lynch, but it looks like its me or orangeremi. thus i will save my post on sylencia, shz, for the next days' discussion.

That was almost all stuff that I had said before, on N1. The sheeping stuff has been out there, not caring about the lynch has too. The only new thing that I presented was his lack of a vote on d2.

You still haven't explained why you think that shz's post promoting lynching for information is scummy after you proposed lynching Omni for information.

This feels too much to me like scum searching for justification to justify his artificial voteswitch.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 17:43 GMT
#1396
There's no SK. An SK withholding his hits every night would be ridiculously stupid. He could have won by now.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 17:45 GMT
#1397
Or I guess if the nk-carrier was blocked every night... which is very unlikely. I think that we should assume no SK.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 20:09 GMT
#1400
My point was that Kickstart was your top read above shz. But then you changed your vote based on things that you had already seen, in N1. If shz's sheeping convinced you that he was scum, he would have been your top read for D3. But he wasn't, Kick was.

Your stuff on Syl is hypocritical. You accuse Syl of pushing the easy lynch of threesr, which was something that you did early game. You say that he is altering his reads based on the direction that the town is moving in, which is exactly what you do (Omni, shz switch, Orange). You accuse him of having no original scumreads, something that holds true for you as well. You say that he only comes forward when lurkers are targeted, but you only come forward when you are targeted. Then you say that he is a hypocrite, but don't point out anything hypocritical? I'm saying this not to invalidate your case against Syl, but to point out that your own points about why Syl is scummy apply to you as well.

On December 31 2012 04:46 FatChunk wrote:
...

Aside from corazon, has voted for each lynched player. The Corazon lynch wasn't taking off yet he decided not to switch his vote. Spag, most likely one of sylencia's town reads, was lynched.
...

What does this mean?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 22:27 GMT
#1403
Are you admitting that you are just as scummy as your scumread? Syl didn't do a last minute voteswitch with little justification that happened to be off of scum, but you did. You only come out when under pressure, he has been posting, not a lot, but a little bit at all times. I don't think that he's a shining beacon of towniness, but he looks better than you do.

You had a town read on Spag, but you didn't defend him either. Why does it make him scum if you, a townie, also did it?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 22:55 GMT
#1404
On December 31 2012 07:22 cDgCorazon wrote:
At least FatChunk is giving us something. Even though he's under pressure, he's still coming out with his scum reads, whether they may be good or not. Orange hasn't even voted yet. What do we do if he gets modkilled (or if it looks like he will get modkilled)?

Yes, he's giving us something, under pressure, in the hopes that we won't lynch him. That's not alignment indicative.

The only reason that you've given for lynching Orange over FC is that Orange doesn't defend himself, something that is not beneficial for either alignment. Do you have any other reasons?

Do you think that FC is scum?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 23:11 GMT
#1410
It shouldn't matter what makes you look hypocritical. Townies don't worry about looking scummy. That's a very odd thing for a townie to say.
It seems that you really think that Orange is far more scummy than FC, but your only reason is that Orange hasn't defended himself. We're not voting FC because he has a bad argument, we're voting him because he's scummier and his argument doesn't convince us.
Just the fact that FC voted shz right after Orange should make him scummier than Orange.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 23:12 GMT
#1411
cakepie, why are you voting Orange?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 23:19 GMT
#1414
Your main accusations on Orange apply to FC just as well. They're both lurkers who have made safe reads, and both had a scummy voteswitch onto shz. The only reason that you've given for wanting to lynch Orange over FC so much is that Orange isn't defending himself.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 23:26 GMT
#1417
I didn't say that there was nothing between them, I said that I don't see your reason for pushing Orange over FC so hard.
FC's voteswitch is worse. FC first had a better read on Kick, but switched to shz based on stuff that I had already posted in N1. Orange switched because scum were fine with us voting Kick (which they were), which is consistent with what he's said during the day. FC's vote also came just after Orange's, meaning that he saw the opportunity to save his buddy and took it.
The lack of defense from Orange, on the other hand, doesn't support either alignment. In fact, it supports the bad bored townie hypothesis better than it does the scum one. Scum would be out here doing everything they can to avoid being lynched.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 23:35 GMT
#1426
@Corazon
The 1-1 theory is probably true. Orange and FC were roleblocked on consecutive nights, but there was a second roleblock on both nights. This means that neither of them are the scum RB, so someone else must be. This of course assumes no fakeclaims, so it's not foolproof, but I think that it's probable.
If FC flips scum, I'll look at you. If Orange is scum, I'll look at Syl.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 23:50 GMT
#1432
I don't follow your logic, cakepie. Why would an RB claim save FC?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 23:53 GMT
#1434
Why does this say anything about FC being Goon?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 30 2012 23:56 GMT
#1440
Lies Corazon, I am town RB, you are scum with FC. Full claim with crumbs in a sec.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 31 2012 00:04 GMT
#1460
The flavor for Town RB is Martin Luther. Here's my flavor related crumb:
On December 21 2012 10:08 Chromatically wrote:
Theses are the people that need to post more:
-Kickstart
-Orangeremi
-Sylencia
-threesr (during the second half of d1)
-


It's nearly impossible to get a read on you if you're all lurking. One day is excuseable, more than that is not. There were many chances to comment on things during the day that you didn't. I think it's very likely that at least one scum is hardcore lurking and it's working because multiple town are also lurking. Kickstart and Syl have said that they have time problems, I assume that you'll be able to post more going in to d2. Orangeremi I see as particularly suspicious out of this group for being lurky all day for no particular reason.
tl,dr; don't lurk so that we can find the scum.

The first word is not a typo, along with the extra list space. The first sentence has 9 words, the list has 5 spaces. It's a reference to Martin Luther's book "95 Theses".

My RB crumbs are all night posts where I reference a person with two sentences starting with "R" and "B". First night was Omni, then Orange, then FC.
On December 22 2012 04:52 Chromatically wrote:
@OmniEulogy
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2012 19:48 OmniEulogy wrote:
...

Shz fits into a middle ground for me. I am neutral about him for the time being. I'll need to look through the filter again.

...

Read on shz? By now you should have had enough time to look through his filter.

On December 25 2012 00:38 Chromatically wrote:
Right now, I think our choices for today (tomorrow) are:
- kickstart
- orangeremi
- fatchunk
- sylencia
By looking at their filters, fatchunk and Orangeremi look the worst.

I agree with things that have been said about Orange, he's been a useless lurker this whole game, hasn't taken any difficult positions.
FatChunk said that he'll be more useful d2, but hasn't done anything. He also jumped onto Omni right when his death was looking certain, specifically citing his reasoning as "giving the most information".

I'm inclined to go for Orange tomorrow.

This one, Orange's name was the only one I capitalized in the first part, to emphasize his significance.
On December 28 2012 13:30 Chromatically wrote:
@FatChunk
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 08:58 FatChunk wrote:
okay well I think that either of the two people are scum: sHz and kickstart, and to be honest the last post of shz on the 27th was really scummy to me. I hope we're right.

##unvote
##Vote: sHz

Show nested quote +
On December 27 2012 14:30 shz wrote:
Ome thing to note though, which seems very odd to me.

If we misslynch today, we pretty much fucked, so it should be in scums interest to direct us towards a misslynch, to nearly lock that game down. But there seems to be no oposition towards lynching Kick. Could this mean that mafia is fine with that lynch? Which would mean we are wrong.

Really? This was shz's last post on the 27th by forum time.
By what reasoning did you somehow decide that this post, made a while ago, somehow suddenly made shz scummier that Kickstart?

Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 31 2012 00:05 GMT
#1461
It doesn't matter, we win. I can block Corazon tonight and then he won't be able to nk.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 31 2012 00:07 GMT
#1467
You think that I, as mafia, prepared several crumbs on the off chance that I would be forced to fakeclaim RB later?
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 31 2012 00:09 GMT
#1470
Come on, you hard defended FC and then switched onto him when you would be lynched. If you knew that FC's claim was fake, you would not have hard defended him all day.
Chromatically
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1700 Posts
December 31 2012 00:14 GMT
#1475
Yes, you defended FC by saying that we should lynch Orange. It's the same effect, FC doesn't get lynched. If you knew that FC was scum, you would have let him get lynched and even pushed him.

I roleblocked Omni, Orange, and FC, it says so in my roleclaim post. These are consistant with my scumreads at that time.

Why wouldn't you crumb your night actions?
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