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On December 19 2012 08:18 MrZentor wrote: Also, what happened to your "Mafia wouldn't try rolefishing." idea. It's back. | ||
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On December 19 2012 08:33 Djodref wrote: How did you make this comment then ? I skimmed your case. Haven't really nitpicked it or anything. | ||
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Regarding Kush I think the "lurker obsession" thing is pretty good point. Looking at his past games, he really hasn't been all that concerned with lurkers until this game, and he has this really aggressive "I want to lynch lurkers over scumreads" policy (of course kush can say stupid things like that as town or scum). What makes him scummy/scum IMO are two things: 1) His voting actions near the lynch deadline 2) Two very odd hard defenses of players (Eywa and MrZ) Lynch Deadline Actions In chronological order... On December 17 2012 02:58 kushm4sta wrote: cheesey baby, will you lurker lynch with me? morbidus sound good? On December 17 2012 03:12 kushm4sta wrote: k ##unvote ##vote threesr On December 17 2012 04:38 kushm4sta wrote: so we are just going to assume threesr is town all game long? k ##unvote ##vote morbidus On December 17 2012 04:52 kushm4sta wrote: look! morbidus is posting. He's not going to be so unreadable going forward. Threesr is literally going to post 1 sentence a day, and we are never going to get a better read on him. On December 17 2012 04:53 kushm4sta wrote: ##unvote ##vote threesr On December 17 2012 04:56 kushm4sta wrote: I have a request for you hapa. Look at DYH filter real quick. In a way he is the scariest lurker of all. On December 17 2012 05:49 kushm4sta wrote: So we don't have much time but I want to switch over to Threesr. I read morbidus filter now and it looks nooby/scummy. But i think he will get easier to read as the game goes on. No one has a super strong read on him now... that is simply impossible. People don't want to vote Threesr because he has been so open about being a lurker and not reading, etc. But I am here to tell you THAT IS NOT A TOWN TELL. I know him really well. He is my best friend. I told him about TL forum mafia but I did not tell him to join this game because I played a game with him before on OMGUS.net and he lurked hard. Anyway, he really doesn't give a fuck about what he says. He is extremely capable of saying that shit as either scum or mafia, it's really not a tell either way. ##unvote ##vote threesr gogo On December 17 2012 05:57 kushm4sta wrote: w/e i can live with a morb lynch On December 17 2012 06:00 kushm4sta wrote: ##unvote ##vote morb Kush just does not give much of a shit about who we're going to lynch. His seemingly favorite scumread is threesr, he asks me about my opinion on the "scariest lurker" (DYH), then sheeps on morbidius. He waffles and changes his mind a bunch of times, and I can only read it as a general ambivalence towards the lynch. Hard Defenses (MrZ) While I largely agree with his defenses in retrospect, the way that Kush defended certain players is just really really weird. It seems rather forced. His most recent defense is the one of MrZ: On December 19 2012 06:32 kushm4sta wrote: help me out. who are the current possible bandwagons? I really think Mr z is town. anti town, yes, but not in a scummy way. also hapa I remembered you saying you think you were shot by a silver bullet. Are you sure? and have the witches claimed yet? Zero rationale. Zero substance. Just "I really think Mr.Z is town, cause... uhhh...idunno" Hard Defenses (Eywa) His defense of Eywa also seems rather forced. He posts this right before the lynch deadline. On December 17 2012 05:19 kushm4sta wrote: @MZ why isn't eywa scum? i want a concise defense of him. Apparently he's rather open to the idea that Eywa could be scum and is a candidate for lynching. Then... On December 17 2012 11:33 kushm4sta wrote: so this is ewyas first forum gameright? and knowing that you actually still think he's scum? I looked at filter and he looks pretty obvtown to me. djo is scum...more tomorrow. hapa or thrawn one of those is prob scum. one of the more quiet lurker people, one of those is probably scum.. I'm thinking dhs maybe jx. "Btw, I just looked at his filter and he's obvtown!" Now I can sympathize with a town read (as that's probably how I should have viewed it at this point in the game), but 1) Kush doesn't provide any analysis, and 2) "obvtown" isn't the first thing that should come to mind so early in the game. The lack of explanation behind his read is also pretty concerning. The read just comes too easy to him. Lack of Scumhunting But what's most concerning about the "Hard defenses" overall is that Kush seems more concerned with hard-defending players rather than scumhunting. Like he's more than willing to come up with rediculous reasons to think someone is town... On December 17 2012 14:32 kushm4sta wrote: Exhibit A: Ewya's alleged scumslip Exhibit B: In which Ewya says im town This is just one of many examples of his use of the word citizen. Ewya says CITIZEN when he means town and TOWNIE when he means player. Remember this is his first forum mafia game. The only experience he has had is IRL mafia. ...But when it comes to hunting scum... On December 17 2012 11:33 kushm4sta wrote: so this is ewyas first forum gameright? and knowing that you actually still think he's scum? I looked at filter and he looks pretty obvtown to me. djo is scum...more tomorrow. hapa or thrawn one of those is prob scum. one of the more quiet lurker people, one of those is probably scum.. I'm thinking dhs maybe jx. On December 19 2012 04:06 kushm4sta wrote: I still think djofreff is scum. megaposts don't make you town. I played with him when he was scum once. I will not let him fool me again. His scumstrat is to drown out his scumminess with a sea of shit. ##vote djodreff I also suspect jx, dhs. Don't have time to poet more now. I will later. sorry. The crap is that? Absolutely nothing. He votes djo because djo's behavior "doesn't make him town", and not because djo is scummy. A quick look through his filter will reveal a lack of scumhunting. He's wanted to lynch a bunch of lurkers for being lurkers, voted Djo for wtf reasons... and that's it. | ||
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For me, lynching him would be lynching a null read. His play has been lackluster on face, but he has a legitimate excuse for playing the way he is. If there's something scummy in his filter, it's him not pushing his thrawn read as hard as he could at the lynch. However, this doesn't make him scum. There are plenty of players who haven't pushed a read. JieXian didn't push Mr.CC to get lynched. Neither did Eywa. And I think they're both town. The rest of CC's play can be very easily explained by being very angry at Eywa, just as it could be explained by him being scum. On December 18 2012 11:08 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Whatever. Tired of this " I didn't do anything D1" Bullshit. Neither did Eywa. I'm busy helping amend this fucking school shooting in CT, maybe you've heard of it? I don't have time to deal with you fucking retards (Eywa, not you Hapa) Go die if you don't understand it, because I honestly don't give a shit anymore. I'm just going to park my vote on Eywa, because he's scum. Join me if you want to. I just don't know what to say. If Eywa is town I have no faith in the intelligence of humanity. /endrage On December 18 2012 11:20 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I'm not posting for the rest of the day. I'll give some reads before lynch time. I apologize for flaming. Town: Good luck in the meantime. These read like really pissed-off raging town posts. I have no reason to think they aren't so. | ||
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I think he's scum. In GSL III Mini, I talked to him one-on-one a lot, and got town-vibes from his quick posting and genuinely. Sometimes he would even pop in and provide a scumread or two. His play on its face is super lurky. There's no scumhunting, as well as some really strange pockets of anger. Opposition to the "Claim Plan" On December 18 2012 03:53 drazak wrote: OK. This is ending now, Shut the fuck up about your witchcraft votes. If scum didn't waste their second shot, you're gonna give them ammo. I really want this wifom about hapa to stop, something let mafia on to people voting for DP, so he got shot, mafia(if it doesn't contain hapa) knows they have an almost sure kill on him tonight. We're gonna be at 6-3 after night phase as long as there isn't a vet or something. This sucks. On December 18 2012 05:38 drazak wrote: Other than fucking killing hapa if he has a blue power. Drazak is normally pretty quiet and passive throughout his filter. However he completely breaks character at random times. Here's two, where he's all up-in-arms about the blue-claim plan. It reads as so forced - "LOL YOU ARE ALL IDIOTS why are you attacking hapa?!?!?!" Lack of Scumhunting In his other town games, I Drazak is not good about posting reads, but he atleast posts them. This game... not so much. For example his wonderful Day 1 vote: On December 16 2012 08:14 drazak wrote: Wat. I don't think anyone is sheeping on him. I really don't like how you're sheeping on him and agreeing that you're sheeping. You don't seem to have a lot of real reason for your vote other than sheeping, and I really don't like taht. ##vote Morbidius Like what the fuck is this vote? There's also this gem on me: On December 19 2012 06:53 drazak wrote: Bleh, I don't like how defensive hapa was but I can't get anything else to stick on him no matter how hard I look. A half-hearted opinion on myself. Reads like "eh I tried to force a case on Hapa and I couldn't find anything." Other than that, there is literally no scumhunting in his filter. No reads, no nothing. | ||
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Lurky and detatched. Not much to say. Also, when you actually read his case on MrZ, it's pretty... lacking. MrZ is pretty dead-on about it's contents: On December 19 2012 08:27 MrZentor wrote: His whole case is That he agrees with me on a bunch of stuff But because I wanted to know if Hap was scum or not from witchcraft votes And because I didn't want to wait more than 48 hours to get the results I am scum. One thing DYH doesn't realize, which is extremely important, is that my plan wouldn't work if I waited for N2, because there would be at least 2 more dead people, and I would have no way to know those people's witchcraft votes. He says I am scum because I didn't wait for N2 to ask for everybody's votes, but he doesn't understand that my plan wouldn't work if I waited for N2. | ||
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DoYouHas, Kush, Drazak An outside chance of Mr.CC. Only other possible candidate would be JieXian, but his reactions/OMGUS read very townie. Very pissed townie, but townie. | ||
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On December 19 2012 10:51 Djodref wrote: yeah, I'm here ! Among these three, I would say that Kush is the most likely to flip scum. I'm totally up to lynch him today and I'm getting tired that Jx, MrZ and Eywa are dismissing my cases. I feel like DYH is the less likely to flip scum. I really want to hear more from him. And on somebody else than MrZ... Regarding drazark, I was null on him so far. I'll come back to you after reading his filter one more time. Eywa... not scum. Far too active to be scum at this point. He's been one of the most active players in a really lurky day, and I can't see scum motivation behind it. Also his recent play has been very productive for the town. JX... I'm leaning town on the basis of his violent behavior. It's too attention-seeking. It's incoherent yes, but I think it's town. One thing that puts me off from his filter is that his play seems to be more antagonistic than productive. However that's not necessarily scummy, and the people I listed above I'm convinced are scum. MrZ...fakewjhfaksdfamwebf. Does he make sense? No. But he's town on behavior alone. | ||
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On December 19 2012 11:06 Djodref wrote: Bleh, there is absolutely no scumhunting in drazark's filter. Also I've asked him for reads that he never gave. I might have been fooled because he was trying to get people to shut the fuck up about the witchcraft votes and the "silver bullet" speculation. I liked this part, and he really looked genuine while doing it. But, yeah, that doesn't make you town. I need to reconsider CC as well now... In one sense, I'm hesitant on the basis that he's lynchbait. However his play has been scummy by itself, and the random "GAH I'M ANGRY" stuff strikes me as scummy. I know he promised "aggression", but he never delivered in the game. I disagree with you regarding Jx, I didn't like at all the fact that he brought up the witchcraft votes again. And I don't like his tunnels. And the fact that he totally dismissed to comment on my cases against Kush when I specifically asked him. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they're scum. I hate the "vote shit" too, but it's stupid, not scummy. Also, why would JX so willingly bring something like that up when it's a) a really stupid idea and b) a bunch of people would scream at him for it? It's not a scum mindset. Regarding MrZentor, I would like to lynch him for his behavior alone. This guy is seriously pissed me off. But we have to lynch scum, don't we ? I've read his past games and he looks like he could be town. The problem is that his play his easy to emulate. Yeah, but it's also a lot like his previous town games. He's also just too attention-whorey. | ||
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On December 19 2012 11:19 Djodref wrote: I don't like so much these "too stupid to be scum" nor the "too attention-whorey" to be scum arguments but I would agree that at least they show some involvement in this game. And some passion too ^^ So yeah, they are less likely to be scum than Kush, Drazak, DYH and CC. Right now, my scum team would be Kush and Drazak and one other guy. But Kush is definitively scum  Well it's more of the player-profile. Certain scum-players love the spotlight. MrZ's scum games are generally fearful of attention. This game... exact opposite. I get similar vibes from JX's play. | ||
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Can't put together a team that doesn't include him. | ||
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On December 19 2012 14:44 drazak wrote: ... @hapa Sorry, I have ended up busier than I expected, mostly due to the holidays and then I decided to stream tonight instead of read the thread. Let me know if you have anything I can answer for you. Scumhunting. Gogogo. | ||
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