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Hapahauli
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On December 19 2012 05:52 MrZentor wrote: I thought I had my vote on DYH all day, but when you told me to switch my vote off you on to DYH, I realized it was on you.. I'm really bad at keeping track of my vote. :/ Yeah but dude... where are you even suspicious of DYH in your fiter? | ||
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Hapahauli
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So even if we take your comment as "I thought I had my vote on him the whole day" as true, these are your conversations with DYH in "the whole day": On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote: DYH, your case is bad. Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP. And your whole case is based on that not being true. On December 18 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote: If Hapa was town, then Mafia wouldn't have any silver bullets left. It's pretty simple, and the reasoning behind it is solid. If he were truly a blue, then he would have nothing to fear from the witch hunter. Anyways, originally, my plan was going to reveal if Hapa were scum or not; I had a null read on him. And then Hapa started acting really scummy. Like REALLY scummy. So no, my read on Hapa isn't all based on that assumption being true. In fact, it isn't based on that assumption at all, as my plan didn't succeed, and we didn't gain any information from it. On December 18 2012 07:41 MrZentor wrote: The probability of scum having a bullet and Hapa being blue was minuscule. And I'm impatient. On December 18 2012 07:47 MrZentor wrote: No, there are a lot of things Hapa could be. The reason I was focused on elected scum is that that was a really easy way to catch him and prove he was scum. And he had a good chance of being elected, regardless of his alignment, so there would be a decent chance of him being elected scum. Nowhere in this conversation do you even imply suspicion on DYH. This is true of your D1 play as well. In fact, it looks like you're just defending yourself against someone you think is town. Nowhere here do you even question his motives. | ||
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On December 19 2012 06:07 MrZentor wrote: On the first day, I had a null read on him, so of course I wasn't going to imply suspicion. On the second day, I thought I had voted for DYH after he voted for me, just to show that I was tired of his ridiculous cases. I probably wrote the post and then forgot to post it. :/ So where in that conversation would you have voted for DYH? Also, you realize this looks terrible right? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 19 2012 06:10 MrZentor wrote: I would have voted somewhere between the time he voted for me and my first post after he voted for me. And I think you're over reacting to this situation. Overreacting? I found out that one of my previous town reads pulled a suspicion out of thin air and I can't make sense of how you would do it as town. The thing is, he voted you before the entire conversation above took place. Not once in your interaction do you call him scummy. Not once do you even question his motives. You just defend yourself. Rather earnestly at that. You claimed that you voted him because you were "tired of his ridiculous cases." What in the above conversation shows you are frustrated? Hell I cannot wrap my head around the fact that you supposedly forgot to vote him, but then you forgot to call him scum... ever? | ||
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DYH, read my stuff on page 75-76 on MrZ. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 19 2012 06:29 DoYouHas wrote: I had been trying to keep MrZ's voting of me largely out of my case to try and make it more objective. But what you are saying makes sense. Well... MrZ never voted you. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 19 2012 06:32 kushm4sta wrote: help me out. who are the current possible bandwagons? I really think Mr z is town. anti town, yes, but not in a scummy way. also hapa I remembered you saying you think you were shot by a silver bullet. Are you sure? and have the witches claimed yet? 1) I dont' know if I was shot. I wasn't notified anyway. 2) No claims. Claims after the lynch deadline ends (72 hour period lapses) | ||
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Hapahauli
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DYH + MrZ scumteam. I can prove it. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 19 2012 06:37 MrZentor wrote: And Hapa, don't you think I as scum would be more careful and actually try to make it look like I was suspicious of DYH before voting him? Look at any of my scum games and compare that play to my play this game. Can you post some of your scumgames then? I'd like to take a readthrough. | ||
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1) His "vote" on DYH On December 18 2012 12:38 MrZentor wrote: When we kill DYH and he flips red, can I get the credit for his lynch? I mean, I was the first to vote for him. After me and Eywa settled on lynching DYH, MrZentor pops in and expresses his desire to follow us on the lynch. He sais above that he was the first to vote him, however that's a lie. He never voted DYH in his filter. MrZ was never even suspicious of DYH in his filter. 2) MrZ's Explanation On December 19 2012 06:07 MrZentor wrote: ... On the first day, I had a null read on him, so of course I wasn't going to imply suspicion. On the second day, I thought I had voted for DYH after he voted for me, just to show that I was tired of his ridiculous cases. I probably wrote the post and then forgot to post it. :/ DYH's vote on MrZ: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=62#1232 So right after this post, MrZ supposedly "got tired of DYH's ridiculous cases" and would have voted him. However, look at the conversations that DYH and MrZ have with each other (click spoiler): + Show Spoiler + On December 18 2012 07:26 MrZentor wrote: DYH, your case is bad. Scum would have tried to shoot Hapa before DP. And your whole case is based on that not being true. On December 18 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote: If Hapa was town, then Mafia wouldn't have any silver bullets left. It's pretty simple, and the reasoning behind it is solid. If he were truly a blue, then he would have nothing to fear from the witch hunter. Anyways, originally, my plan was going to reveal if Hapa were scum or not; I had a null read on him. And then Hapa started acting really scummy. Like REALLY scummy. So no, my read on Hapa isn't all based on that assumption being true. In fact, it isn't based on that assumption at all, as my plan didn't succeed, and we didn't gain any information from it. On December 18 2012 07:41 MrZentor wrote: The probability of scum having a bullet and Hapa being blue was minuscule. And I'm impatient. On December 18 2012 07:47 MrZentor wrote: No, there are a lot of things Hapa could be. The reason I was focused on elected scum is that that was a really easy way to catch him and prove he was scum. And he had a good chance of being elected, regardless of his alignment, so there would be a decent chance of him being elected scum. MrZ defends himself from DYH's questions four times. MrZ claims that is "tired of DYH's ridiculous cases," and supposedly had his vote on DYH (which he claims he forgot to post). In these posts... 1) He never calls DYH scummy 2) He never questions DYH's motives 3) He is remarkably patient with DYH and takes the time to answer all his questions 4) For all purposes, he treats the cases as if DYH is town MrZ's suspicions on DYH make no sense with his actions. MrZ claims he has a vote on DYH and tried to take credit for a possible lynch on DYH. While he states he "forgot" to vote for DYH when I called him out for it, his conversations with DYH treat DYH as if he's town. Admittedly I thought he was town because he was too "attention-seeking." However when mafia are active, it becomes harder for them to mask their actions. In this case, MrZ is active scum, and can't keep his story straight. So when we remove the "attention-seeking" read from MrZ's, what do we get? A guy talking about nonsense for 7-pages of filter. He pushed the Morbidius mislynch through, then spent 3-4 pages talking about how I must be scum since I'm not dead. | ||
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On December 19 2012 07:20 MrZentor wrote: Just read some of my scum games. Also, if DYH is innocent like you now seem to think, and I'm scum, why would I want to take credit for his lynch? Wouldn't I want to make it look like it was your fault we lynched a townie? That makes no sense from a scum perspective. You can say "oh I wouldn't do this and that as scum," but you still haven't explained how your actions make sense. Fact is, you claimed you made a vote you didn't make, and your explanation for it makes no sense. You want to have me believe that you were suspicious of DYH... and never said once that he was scummy. Never once said that he was suspicious. And never once questioned his motives. What gives? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On December 19 2012 07:37 MrZentor wrote: I was afraid of calling him scum after misreading him last game. Your case gave me confidence. I don't see what the problem is. There are many words I can use to describe your gameplay, but "afraid" isn't one of them. You were so afraid of misreading DYH that you... never called him scum... even once? It's the severity that's getting to me. I'd understand a degree of reluctance to push DYH, but your attitude towards him has been on another level. Also, what was the "last game" in regards to the mislynch? | ||
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You were apparently scared of mislynching DYH. But then why would you think of voting him? | ||
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Hapahauli
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