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Hapa's case on Eywa
That's very hypocritical since that's what hapa has been doing all game: spreading suspicion over everybody and even agreeing with eywa's cases
+ Show Spoiler +On December 18 2012 12:20 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2012 12:11 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 11:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
By the way, if you think I'm "possible scum," and think CC is "scum," why is your vote on me at the moment? Is it some pressure vote of sorts? Dr.Chessboard isn't going to be elected in the fall, I must push my vote to someone who might. Please please stop with the name-ribbing. We're not playing the "let's yell at each other game" anymore. We're playing the "let's be calm and rational people trying to find scum" game. Just call him CC, Cheesecake, or whatever - name mixups just aren't necessary. As for your vote, it seems like only two players (yourself and JieXian) would support such an idea right now. I wouldn't call it feasible. However, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about your other "Possible Scum" candidates. You have Draz, Kush, and Djo marked as possible scum, and I'd be interested to hear more on them. Also, you have DYH marked as "not scum", which I find odd considering his lurkiness so far. I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled Jie Xian is all over the place without having changed personalities, normally when a mafia member realizes that what he is doing is suspicious, he slowly adapts. The mistakes which you may think Jie Xian makes, he's been making all game, it's not from pressure or anything because while under pressure and not, he's the same. Kush's lurking is suspect because of how he approaches it, he'll take on scenarios up till he's the topic of conversation at which point he's gone till the conversation turns again. He's just awkward and doesn't feel quite right. Also, his first vote antics were odd to say the least If MrV is scum, he's ridiculously good, because I see no traces of scum whatsoever. He's been over the fire while still not changing at all similarly to Jie Xian, which in itself isn't definitive, however, when others have, it's hard to count these guys as real threats. CharlieChaplain is just scummy, he doesn't answer questions about himself and has only ever targeted civilians. Sure, he's under a lot of stress, but stress doesn't translate into not being able to answer one simple question. His slip ups are numerous. Draskal is that lurker which literally never posts anything insightful... There's no way to tell either way what he is, so it's best to leave him since if we get one wrong, we're in hot water. Djoref is just... Well let's just say he's given just about everyone a criminal case which proves their guilt... This does not add to his credibility... This does not make him look good, makes him look scum. He's been head hunting for a while. You've been my target from the start, ever since I read your first day posts, your slip ups have been many, I don't believe you to be innocent. Thanks for the reads. I think we're sharing much more common ground than we both realized. You're spot on with DYH. His play is indeed really impersonal, and this "emotional detatchment" from the game I find rather scummy. Townies are often really emotional, wild, and crazy. There are certainly exceptions (i.e., scum can be emotional), but complete emotional detachment in the manner exhibited by DYH is strongly suggestive of scum. Do you agree? Drazak is a rather interesting case, because he's normally very lurky as town and scum. I'm getting town vibes from him based his passivity, which strangely enough is indicative of his town play. MrZ is far too attention-seeking this game to be scum. I think we both agree about that. JieXian, I'm a bit torn on. I don't like his play, however, he has some guts to OMGUS me given how violent I've been most of Day 1. I'm willing to see that as townie for now, and hopefully we both can talk a bit more calmly tomorrow. ##UnvoteKush and Djodref are two players I have to look at in a lot of detail. With how this game is working out, I'm pretty sure they're scum. They're very uninvolved in the game, and for the most part have been sitting back and watching us fight. So here's my theory; everyone in the game that's been screaming at each other is town. The scum, DYH, Kush, and Djodref have been sitting in the shadows eating popcorn and watching ourselves tear each other apart. Whaddya think?
There's also being plain misleading
On December 22 2012 07:33 Hapahauli wrote:
So Eywa turned down voting the guy he was convinced was scum (Mr.CC) in favor of voting his top town read an hour prior for zero rationale. The only motivation I can attach to his actions is that he wanted someone dead - anyone but his scumbuddy DYH.
It's not his top town read but his only town read, and he agrees
On December 23 2012 05:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 05:22 JieXian wrote:On December 23 2012 05:21 Hapahauli wrote:On December 23 2012 05:19 JieXian wrote:
I didn't state my town reads either and I've been getting a lot of shit from you with the morbid case. He just doesn't have to post every single townie read he has What does this have to do with the matter at hand JX? I'm not attacking him for not posting town reads. I'm attacking him because he went after the one town read he posted! ok so we can agree that eywa voted his ONLY town read and not his TOP town read Yes we can. What's the difference?
The difference is that hapa was lying and trying to frame someone as scummy when he isn't, which you have been doing to eywa the whole game by calling anything he can scummy
I'll continue after I get my sleep
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How will the christmas day extension work? Does it include the current D3 or are we still in N3 because of the merry christmas thing? When will this day end?
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On December 24 2012 07:08 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:
A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.
If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.
Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum.
What if you're scum and you just didn't shoot?
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On December 25 2012 23:14 JieXian wrote:
How will the christmas day extension work? Does it include the current D3 or are we still in N3 because of the merry christmas thing? When will this day end?
never mind, caught up with the thread
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On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:
A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.
If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.
Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum.
I really don't see how this is a flawless plan:
1) Mafia would know ghost's alignment regardless and the DT claim was a claim for townie cred
2) Scum killing you would be a great idea, though yes it would confirm ghost as town
3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea.
4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM
if Kush doesn't die, you JKed kush or you chose not to kill someone. Since there are 2 scum left I don't think you can stop a death by RBing someone.
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And about the voting thing, tell me your plan again in one offical post so I can break it down and pin you as the lying and deceitful scum that you are.
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I guess I don't need to finish my other case now since if I can show that hapa's plan is bullshit we can confirm him as scum right?
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For the moment, just look at how misleading that witchcraft thing was...
I saw flaws in your plan but I'll make my final when you give me a properly laid out one to scrutinise so I can understand it clearly and possibly change my mind and so you can't twist anything
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Oh great hapa is not telling the details of the plan
Somebody tell me the details. If you can't tell me the details, you probably don't know it and you are following scum blindly.
For now if the plan doesn't make sense we can confirm hapa / djo scumteam
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Everyone!
Do you actually know how is it supposed to work?
Why the hell are you sheeping Hapa if you have no idea how it's supposed to work and never considered how it can be abused?
Hapa has already been proven to be lying:
On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:
A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.
If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.
Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum.
There are so many holes in his logic:
1) Mafia would know ghost's alignment regardless and the DT claim was a claim for townie cred
2) Scum killing you would ONLY confirm ghost as town if and only if you flip green
3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea.
4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM
if Kush doesn't die, Hapa either JKed kush or he chose not to NK anyone. Since there are 2 scum left I don't think you can stop a death by RBing someone.
Hapa has lied about his justification on the N3 no kill
Don't trust him or sheep him blindly, until you have REALLY understood the proposal. Remember, he is planning to confirm DJO (possible scum) as townie. Think of the motives behind it.
##Vote : Hapahauli
Only agree to the plan once you are sure that it's airtight. And I'm betting the mafia game is designed so that these things can't happen.
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My question to everyone is:
How could you know for sure if someone who claimed to have won the election is actually town?
What if 2 people (Djo and ghost) claim to have won? How would you know who is telling the truth?
By their masoning/RB powers?
Consider the FAQ
On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Q: Can scum win witchcraft? What happens?
A: If a scum player wins witchcraft he is informed of this fact, but can't pick a power from the list. If he wants to fake using a power he can use his holy pages, or whatever.
What are Holy Pages?
On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:
The Holy Words and Pages: The Witch Hunter and The Inquisitor, both being traveling men of God, have brought with them copies of pages from The Good Book. Once per game at night, any member of The Inquisition can RB a player. Once per game at night, any member of the Inquisition can Mason a player. This effect lasts until the end of the upcoming day, and absorbs the Pages, making them unusable in the future.
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Ok I saw it. In the case of Djo -> Mrcc , hapa -> ghost
+ Show Spoiler +On December 24 2012 15:49 Djodref wrote:
Voting Cheese doesn't pose my any problem. I'm quite happy with this vote ^^
It's done ! On December 24 2012 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Awesomesauce.
My vote has been officially casted for ghost_403.
So if CC wins the election, you are confirmed town Djo. If ghost wins, you are confirmed scum.
Here's my problem:
if it's a hapa with kush/ghost/jx team,
- MrCC wins,
- djo gets confirmed town and gets shot at night and hapa gets townie cred
- moderately good for scum
if it's a hapa / mrcc team,
- nobody wins the election but mrcc can claim to have won:
- hapa / mrcc and djo will have confirmed townie status
- kush and I will be lynched = gg
FOUND A LOOPHOLE
##Vote: Hapahauli
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On December 27 2012 01:55 kushm4sta wrote:
@jx... I agree Hapa's reasoning on the nk is kind of fishy. Scum should have killed ghost 100% obvious in my mind.
But the plan seems so be pretty good to me. Here are the people who will possibly get witchcraft: cheesecake or ghost.
If they BOTH claim witchcraft we know one of ghost or cheesecake is scum.
If only one claims witchcraft we know if djo is scum or town, depending on which one claims.
The plan works to figure out djo's alignment.
Nothing is that simple with hapa. Given his bad Nk reasoning, which you bring another additional point on, there is a high chance that he's scum laying down the final pieces to victory.
The plan aims to confirm themselves as townie, djo is just a byproduct
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A hapa/mrcc scumteam makes sense since hapa has been plotting about the kush NK at night while mrcc has been playing a strong support role himself making hapa look good after eywa's lynch
On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town. Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.
HELLO There are 2 mafia left?!
On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:The Inquisition Can deliver KP.The Priest (godfather): Can deliver KP.The Witch Hunter (two-shot blue vigi):Can do this and deliver scum KP in the same night.
lol just noticed this MrCC interviewing hapa is an easy way to misdirect everyone's attention from the loophole in the plan to somewhere else.
On December 24 2012 13:23 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
OMFG HAPA HOW DO YOU KNOW SCUM SHOT TWICE WTF SCUM LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH
/jk
In all seriousness this seems foolproof if we can coordinate it correctly. Whoever gets NK'd will be very telling as well. IF scum decide to not NK, we can just repeat this process.
Seriously, he the hell could hapa have known? The acceptance of the whole plan relies on this, and Mrcc makes that possibility seem impossible
On December 24 2012 09:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Also: Why did you "check" Ghost? Why not Eywa? Djo? These would make more sense considering they were your scumreads. [/spoiler]
Questioning hapa on something that he can answer easily
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On December 27 2012 03:03 kushm4sta wrote:
Dude it's not a loophole. All this is supposed to do is figure out djo's alignment, which it still does in the case of your loophole
hapa doesn't see it that way
On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town. Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.
think about it, after the electrions, hapa and mrcc WILL be considered confirmed townie too.
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you're right about djo, but that along with hapa justification, in which the plan was about kush, things don't add up.
On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town. Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.
think about it, after the electrions, hapa and mrcc WILL be considered confirmed townie too.[/QUOTE]
If hapa really wanted to make it about kush, he COULD HAVE made it about kush
eg:
Get Kush to vote for Djo
Then MrCC to vote for ghost
But he DIDN'T
Why?
Bercause it never was about kush
Moreover scum can just NK djo, what's the point?
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it just the perfect timing for a scum endgame plan when everyone can latch on to something that sounds decent and go about their christmas business, and scum have excuses for lurking.
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On December 25 2012 03:10 kushm4sta wrote:
i feel like djo is gonna flip town and I'm being framed by a cheesecake/jx scumteam.
You know that hapa devised the entire plan right? Any framing will be carried out by hapa himself.
Think about it. His NK stuff were nonsense, his voting plan is nonsense (claims to be about kush but doesn't involve kush at all)
Hapa is scum.
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Hapa
1) N3 no kill and kush
On December 24 2012 06:59 Hapahauli wrote:
I won the witchcraft elections. I'm Jailkeeping Kush today for the following reasons:
A CC/Djo scumteam has four NK options
1) Kill ghost. Not a good idea, since that would confirm my green check on him.
2) Kill me. Not a good idea, since they're pushing me for a mislynch + it would confirm ghost as town.
3) Kill JieXian. Not a good idea, since JX is trying to lynch me.
4) Kill kush. Best idea, since kush believes Djo is scum.
If kush doesn't die, I either successfully roleblocked scum, or I blocked the NK of the scumteam. I'm convinced the latter is correct.
Alternatively I could gamble on a roleblock, but it's 50/50. I could DT check, but I have a high risk of getting roleblocked tonight by scum.
There are so many holes in his logic:
1) Excellent choice to kill a supposed confirmed townie. Hapa could be mafia fakeclaiming DT for townie cred, knowing ghost's alignment.
2) Hapa being shot would ONLY confirm ghost as town if and only if hapa flips green. Only me and mrcc were suspicious of hapa and mrcc never posted any cases. He only whined about crap like how hapa was betrayed his trust.
3) No one seems to be buying my case at all, djo and kush were against the idea, ghost didn't care, mrcc did nothing but whine.
4) only true if Djo actually is scum and there's a lot of WIFOM
if Kush doesn't die, Hapa either JKed kush or he chose not to NK anyone. Since there are 2 scum left hapa can't stop a death by RBing someone.
Hapa has lied about his justification on the N3 no kill
2) The election plan to decide kush's alignment
Get Djo to vote for Mrcc , hapa to vote for ghost
+ Show Spoiler +On December 24 2012 15:49 Djodref wrote:
Voting Cheese doesn't pose my any problem. I'm quite happy with this vote ^^
It's done ! On December 24 2012 16:00 Hapahauli wrote:
Awesomesauce.
My vote has been officially casted for ghost_403.
So if CC wins the election, you are confirmed town Djo. If ghost wins, you are confirmed scum.
On December 24 2012 09:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2012 09:53 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town. Wait why do you need to prove Kush town? I thought you were trying to prove Ghost town. Because I need to make sure that I didn't block scum-kush taking the shot silly.
If hapa really wanted to make it about kush, he COULD HAVE made it about kush
eg:
Get Kush to vote for MrCC
Then hapa to vote for ghost
But he DIDN'T
Why?
Bercause it never was about kush
On December 24 2012 09:46 Hapahauli wrote:
So the trick to solving the game is devising a team where upon the results of the witchcraft election can prove that kush and I are town.
He initially wanted to prove that kush was town
On December 25 2012 02:12 Hapahauli wrote:
But yes, it's looking a lot like Kush + JX scumteam right now.
Now he wants to swing it to proving that kush is scum.
Problem is, if kush is scum and hapa JKed kush, The night kill would have went through
On December 08 2012 09:45 Blazinghand wrote:The Inquisition Can deliver KP.The Priest (godfather): Can deliver KP.The Witch Hunter (two-shot blue vigi):Can do this and deliver scum KP in the same night.
3) Loophole in the plan
if it's a hapa / mrcc team,
- nobody wins the election but mrcc can claim to have won:
- hapa / mrcc and djo will have confirmed townie status
- kush and I will be lynched = gg
##Vote: Hapahauli
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