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yamato77
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 05 2012 00:30 Oatsmaster wrote: No, I wasnt providing advice on how he could look more town, I was giving a suggestion on more effective/accurate ways to win the game as town. If he is scum, it doesnt matter. I am concerned that he is scum. HOWEVER, it doesnt really affect much BECAUSE if you know that someone is scum, you just ignore them. Currently I have a slight town read on yamato, however he seems to be acting differently as opposed to last game. Probably because he wants to improve like me, but you never know. commenting on bits of that. "however he seems to be acting differently as opposed to last game." didnt you say you thought we should hunt for scum that way? "If he is scum, it doesnt matter." it matters to me. The way I catch scum is when they do things i think they should not. You were getting yamato to behave in way that you think is more pro town by hunting for scum in a more 'normal way' How am I meant to find him if you give advice on how to act like the rest of us? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
"however he seems to be acting differently as opposed to last game." didnt you say you thought we should not hunt for scum by looking at meta and use more normal means. Why are you now looking at meta? | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
BTW. Thank Yam for suggesting what I should do. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On December 05 2012 00:30 Oatsmaster wrote: No, I wasnt providing advice on how he could look more town, I was giving a suggestion on more effective/accurate ways to win the game as town. If he is scum, it doesnt matter. I am concerned that he is scum. HOWEVER, it doesnt really affect much BECAUSE if you know that someone is scum, you just ignore them. Currently I have a slight town read on yamato, however he seems to be acting differently as opposed to last game. Probably because he wants to improve like me, but you never know. commenting on bits of that. "however he seems to be acting differently as opposed to last game." didnt you say you thought we should hunt for scum that way? "If he is scum, it doesnt matter." it matters to me. The way I catch scum is when they do things i think they should not. You were getting yamato to behave in way that you think is more pro town by hunting for scum in a more 'normal way' How am I meant to find out that yamato is scum if you give him advice on how to act like the rest of us?[/QUOTE] | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
Ok I am off to bed | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Hey yamato, do you have any reads? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On December 04 2012 10:29 Rad wrote: @yamato I'll answer your #3 because it is so relevant: cheesecake of course (of the Mr. variety) Now on to CC's questions... =P 1. I've played 2 games of mafia, NMM XXVIII and XXX, town in both. First was vig, second vt. I obs'd a good amount of chrono until it became overwhelming (think I got 140 pages in then my head exploded) and all of last NMM, and some of paranoid. Played a lot of sc2mafia the past week or two which probably translates to shit for TL mafia skills, but we'll see. 2. No idea cheese, I feel like that scenario would have to be played out however it should be at the time. I can't see myself leaning one way or the other 100% of the time =/ Probably lean towards lurker lynch I guess? minor-moderate is going to be pretty subjective... 3. Green. I'll let you figure out why (spoiler: it's cause I'm a genius). "I have no idea who to lynch, but I can justify it because of this post!" On December 04 2012 11:16 Rad wrote: @kick sorry missed the jkjk =/ I'm quick to jump on shit ideas ^^ Townies don't jump on shit ideas. We jump on scum ideas. Shit ideas can come from either faction. On December 04 2012 11:36 Rad wrote: Yes, lynching someone strictly based on their play in a previous game seems stupid. Town wants to lynch scum, not shoot in the dark and hope. Scum wants to do stupid shit like lynch the easy target. Do you read that idea differently? Would you be ok with the idea of lynching oats due to his play last game? Rhetorical question pretty much. What's the purpose in asking this? On December 04 2012 12:59 Rad wrote: I think he goes red with anger easily and if town, confirmation bias will kill his ability to reason. However, his actions are pushing for conversation and that's a good thing (especially at the beginning). If axle feels pressured to talk more, great, and if he doesn't, we can read the situation based on that. I don't really like how you stopped it early on though. Would you prefer yamato ask a question, get ignored, and drop it? Another useless, rhetorical question. I read this post as "Why aren't you guys bickering at each other more?" @Rad, jiodboy, scylencia What are your thoughts on the game so far? Scumreads? | ||
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Arnarnion
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Im null on Axle, his questions are odd but maybe thats just his playstyle. Im leaning slightly scum on yamato and kickstart Kickstart goes into a discussion on whether lynching lurkers is good which is unnecessary at the start of the game because who knows, we might not have lurkers. Then he jokes around for a while and suddenly FoS yamato on badgering Axle. Like what kind of reasoning is that? Yamato + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2012 23:42 yamato77 wrote: My strategy this game is far more aggressive than it was the previous game at the beginning. If I am town, my main objective day 1, especially early, is to provoke discussion and responses. The more information I can garner from people, the stronger my reads on them can become. Up to that point, only Axle had seemed to willingly ignore me so I went after him. People that don't want to give up information are either scum or blue, because they both have something to hide. I suppose I assumed that Axle was doing this intentionally but it seems like he was ignoring me rather absentmindedly. What my focus now has become is why you have started to throw suspicion around on players who are looking into people's play early. A lot of your posting this game has been about "this looks suspicious" or something of that nature. Everything can "look suspicious" from a town POV, but you feel the need to say it a lot. Why? he only questioned axle then Unvoted him for unclear reasons.. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On December 04 2012 11:04 Kickstart wrote: Rephrase your question, it makes no sense to me. I am saying that if I have a strong scum read on someone I am pushing that read over a lurker lynch, but if I have no strong read I would be fine with a lurker lynch. I have no idea if I will get a scum read or if I get one how strong it will be, there isn't enough to go on yet. Last game, we lynched lurkers and it didnt go too well, vets posted and said that its unlikely that a scum is a lurker and STILL Kickstart posts this. It reads as very wishy, washy allowing him to keep all his options open. Lynching a lurker is good for scum because it doesnt really show strong opinions either way because its a lurker, coinflippy. On December 04 2012 12:45 Kickstart wrote: ##FoS yamato Badgering people then voting them when they ignore his badgering This vote is so bad, no explaination why this is scum.. On December 04 2012 14:24 Kickstart wrote: For example I FoSd Yamato because I don't like much his actions up to this point. It was mostly that what he was doing didn't sit well with me therefor I pointed out what I didn't like and asked others about it. Just the fact that to me he seemed really incessant with his policy talks and then just immediately threw a vote on someone when they didn't answer him. My reaction was just a gut reaction but to figure out if I think it is scummy or not I need to look through his dialogue and try and figure out his intentions, but I wanted to see what others thought about it if anything. Kickstart is looking for town support here, he doesnt want to vote yamato if no one else votes for him... His whole case on yamato is just him jumping on a small thing that he doesnt even explain how it is scum aligned or even aligned at all. ##Vote: Kickstart | ||
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yamato77
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
On December 05 2012 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote: Kickstart is scummy. Last game, we lynched lurkers and it didnt go too well, vets posted and said that its unlikely that a scum is a lurker and STILL Kickstart posts this. It reads as very wishy, washy allowing him to keep all his options open. Lynching a lurker is good for scum because it doesnt really show strong opinions either way because its a lurker, coinflippy. This vote is so bad, no explaination why this is scum.. Kickstart is looking for town support here, he doesnt want to vote yamato if no one else votes for him... His whole case on yamato is just him jumping on a small thing that he doesnt even explain how it is scum aligned or even aligned at all. ##Vote: Kickstart "Kickstart is bad, I'll vote for him." I see no motivation for scum here. How is Kickstart pushing a scum agenda? And that's not a vote. It's a FoS. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I think he is pushing a scum agenda by implying that he wants to lynch a lurker which more often then not, are town so preparing for a mislynch. Then the way he votes yamato allows him to back out easily if he sees that its not gaining any support, again scum motivation because they dont want to be caught in contridictions and 180s | ||
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Rad
United States935 Posts
@kick Not sure what else to say to you about your concerns with me but TBH that's just my play style. I'm a bit embarrassed that I totally missed the jkjk but what happens is I read something really stupid and then feel the need to jump on it immediately. Feel free to glance over my previous games (XXIX and XXX) if you'd like to see this in action. @CC 1. "I have no idea who to lynch, but I can justify it because of this post!" - this hasn't happened, why even speculate that it will happen? What's the point of casting suspicion on me for something I haven't even done? 2. If kick's idea was sincere, I'd have major problems with it (as I've already said). My concern there was your quoting "shit idea" as if it wasn't one. I thought perhaps you read his idea differently than how I did, thus my question. 3. Kick literally FoS's yamato then immediately turns around and says "weeelll maybe I'm being too harsh, what's everyone else's thoughts?" Looks like useless trying to be useful. I wanted to get him to talk more about it instead of letting him push it back out onto everyone else. Thoughts so far: - leaning scum on kick - just my gut initial feeling, I'm going to focus more on looking into it when I have time after work tonight - leaning town on yamato - he's acting just like last game IMO, I feel like he'd have to change things up if he were scum - mind blown trying to understand axle, but I'm happy that he's trying now (his change feels super newbie town, so leaning town) and want to see where he goes with his oats discussion - leaning town on CC, I feel like he was much less confrontational in his scum game and he's asking good questions Other reads are pretty null Going to be fairly lurky today, until tonight when I'm off work and can focus on everything, but wanted to get this post out there in the meantime. I will try to get chances throughout the day to respond when possible. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
hmm. I think he is pushing a scum agenda by implying that he wants to lynch a lurker which more often then not, are town so preparing for a mislynch. Then the way he votes yamato allows him to back out easily if he sees that its not gaining any support, again scum motivation because they dont want to be caught in contridictions and 180s[/QUOTE] Opinion on lurker lynching is not alignment indicative. Lurkers can be scum, and can be town. He didn't vote for Yamato. You don't have to back down from a FoS. Your reasoning isn't that good for a vote on Kickstart, Imo. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
see ya guys in about 9 hours | ||
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yamato77
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
The only thing I see weird is that he kept saying "omg don't talk about policy lynching" Yes, consider it a soft-defense. | ||
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