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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 04 2012 12:51 GMT
#321
I still cant understand what you are talking about
Let me rephrase your last statment to what I would say.


"Oats, I believe you asked me to change what I was doing.

has my typing/explaining myself improved?
Explain.
"
However, I dont understand this.

As mentioned getting other people to do things is
a scum tell,
or helping a wounded (7/9)townie get back up of the floor

No gg, No skill.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 04 2012 13:01 GMT
#322
Kick is playing different from last game. Gonna have to read his filter from Mario Mini.
Writer@WriterYamato
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 04 2012 13:05 GMT
#323
I could say that about you too
I agree with CC in the last game, meta over 2-3 games is not really identifiable though :/

I think we should scumhunt using more normal scumhunting methods.
No gg, No skill.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 04 2012 13:50 GMT
#324
On December 04 2012 21:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
I still cant understand what you are talking about
...deletia...
However, I dont understand this.

As mentioned getting other people to do things is
a scum tell,
or helping a wounded (7/9)townie get back up of the floor



In that case I would to find out what you do understand.

I want you to pretend that you are scum for second.
If you were playing scum this game..

Why would you be "getting other people to do things is?"

Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 04 2012 13:51 GMT
#325
EBWOP

Why would you be "getting other people to do things?"
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 04 2012 13:53 GMT
#326
I would probably tell you to l2play or something?
Scum want to cause confusion and make sure the town cant function as well.
I really dont know what I will do if I was scum :/
No gg, No skill.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 04 2012 14:13 GMT
#327
Oatsmaster
i just want to check are you there and are you about to go anywhere?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 04 2012 14:15 GMT
#328
Im here, not going anywhere for 2 hours
No gg, No skill.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 04 2012 14:19 GMT
#329
Cool I am not sure i have that long as it is 1 am here, but lets see where this goes for a bit.

On December 04 2012 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
I would probably tell you to l2play or something?

Saying "learn to play"

How does doing that create this

Scum want to cause confusion and make sure the town cant function as well.

Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 04 2012 14:27 GMT
#330
Is that hard question?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 04 2012 14:30 GMT
#331
Nope,
Well it might demoralize you and start a fight/mudslinging contest because it isnt very nice.
That will cause confusion because the focus is not on finding scum, but in seeing who can shout the loudest.
so yeah..
No gg, No skill.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 04 2012 14:31 GMT
#332
Sorry there are more questions but I lost my train of thought hang on.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 04 2012 14:33 GMT
#333
On December 04 2012 22:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
I could say that about you too
I agree with CC in the last game, meta over 2-3 games is not really identifiable though :/

I think we should scumhunt using more normal scumhunting methods.

Yeah, I know you could say that about me. I have almost certainly played completely different from last game.

But kick's difference I think could be meaningful. I'm not entirely sure.
Writer@WriterYamato
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 04 2012 14:33 GMT
#334
Ok as the object of scum is to Look like Town so you cant get caught.
Wouldn't doing that be sure scum tell?

or is there a reason town could want to do that same thing?
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 04 2012 14:35 GMT
#335
I am already aware your play is different. Not really interested in that difference.

I am interested in your understanding of the reason why Town does things and why scum does the same or different things.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 04 2012 14:37 GMT
#336
Yeah town wants to look like town so that people will believe them.
You read the last game right?
Lets say yamato went
SDM IS SCUM
You wouldnt believe him right?
even though he was town.
No gg, No skill.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 04 2012 14:40 GMT
#337
I know it can feel like it I am not trying to rub salt in Ok?

Lets change to more pleasant subject.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 04 2012 14:42 GMT
#338
On December 04 2012 15:59 Kickstart wrote:
Right, I know it is early in the game but I am just going to throw this out there and try to make it as comprehensive as I can to try and get some real conversation going. So far I have some suspicions on Yamato and Rad. (I will also note that as an aside that Rad defended Yamato against one of my questions but association cases are bad day 1, just interesting that there are two people I find suspicious and one is defending the other.)

Yamato77
As I have stated before, I find Yamato's incessant policy talk a bit suspicious and that was the first thing to draw my attention to him. I have to look at it and see what his possible intentions could be. As town, policy talk is ok to start with, but I think it is best to say what needs to be said and not dwell on it much, where as scum would try and drown the thread with as much policy talk as possible as it is really unlikely to gain any useful information from it.
Taking a look at Yamato's filter shows that most of it is policy talk and then he has an exchange with Axl. Now on his points against Axl I am in agreement. Axl is posting way too much in the way of "I am a noob and everyone else here is better than me" and things of that sort, and I too expect this to end. But I am not sure if the way Yamato reacted to this is town oriented. I can't help but feel that from a town perspective, someone would be a bit more helpful and not putting so much pressure on him and then throwing a vote on him when he doesn't respond. To elaborate a bit:

So far Axl is putting out this vibe of being a noobie. Now I won't say town or scum because he is not doing a great job of answering questions and is really posting way too much about how noobie he thinks he is. To me, a town would look at this and react by first encouraging Axl but then pushing him slightly. A good example would be to give some support but to remind him that he needs to just post what he is thinking and why for the sake of town clarity. Here is my post directed at Axl:

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 15:11 Kickstart wrote:
Axle being new is not a bad thing and being unsure isn't. In my first game I didn't really know what I was doing either (and to say I know exactly what I am doing now would be a stretch) but I just tried to be as honest as I could and put my thoughts and opinions out there and that alone will show what your intentions are. If you are town, and you tell everyone what you think and why, then you have done your job (as far as confirming your "townyness" (or whatever the right word is) is concerned), the only other thing to do is to try and find scum, but it should be clear who you think is scum when you give your thoughts and the reasoning behind them.

Also, if you haven't already, contact the coaches, they signed up because they want to help so don't be afraid to talk with them. [that is true for everyone in the thread]


I gave as much support as I could but I also made it clear that it is important for Axl to post what he is thinking and why; and note that other players reacted in much the same way as I did.

Now look at the way Yamato reacts to Axl:

Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 12:19 yamato77 wrote:
On December 04 2012 12:16 AxleGreaser wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:22 yamato77 wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:19 AxleGreaser wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:09 jidolboy wrote:
On December 04 2012 11:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
@jidolboy

What do you believe is the best thing for a good town atmosphere Day 1?



I'm not too sure but talking about random things is a good way to tart guess. I mean there is nothing else to talk about because nothing major had happened yet


The social parts of the discussion break the ice and get things going.
The on topic parts, such as what is our plan and objective let you see if people are deflecting away from anything.



Not to badger you, but do you have thoughts on lurker lynching? Or any ideas about day 1 town plans?


your question has two parts.
What were you trying to find out when you asked this question.
What did you want to achieve.
Or any ideas about day 1 town plans?

Lurker lynch discussion IS a day one plan in my opinion, at least early on where people don't have much to talk about anyway. You weren't responding so I decided to ask you again, because your input is valuable to MY evaluation process. So in essence it's the same question. Either you participate in the lurker lynch discussion or offer up your own plan of action for town day one.


Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 12:20 yamato77 wrote:
EBWOP: Or you lurk and avoid my questions until I vote for you.


Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 12:38 yamato77 wrote:
By the way right now it seems like you're avoiding me.


Show nested quote +
On December 04 2012 12:40 yamato77 wrote:
EBWOP: Oh, you actually ARE avoiding me, cool.

##Vote AxleGreaser


This is almost the exact opposite reaction that I and pretty much everyone else in the thread have displayed in regards to Axl. Yamato is being really aggressive (I used the term badgering earlier). He doesn't see that there is a timid first timer and try and be encouraging but productive, he instead seems to try and take this opportunity to attack and throw his vote onto a noobie town.

My strategy this game is far more aggressive than it was the previous game at the beginning. If I am town, my main objective day 1, especially early, is to provoke discussion and responses. The more information I can garner from people, the stronger my reads on them can become. Up to that point, only Axle had seemed to willingly ignore me so I went after him. People that don't want to give up information are either scum or blue, because they both have something to hide. I suppose I assumed that Axle was doing this intentionally but it seems like he was ignoring me rather absentmindedly.

What my focus now has become is why you have started to throw suspicion around on players who are looking into people's play early. A lot of your posting this game has been about "this looks suspicious" or something of that nature. Everything can "look suspicious" from a town POV, but you feel the need to say it a lot. Why?
Writer@WriterYamato
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
December 04 2012 14:43 GMT
#339
Earlier I a little bit unfairly? asked you to pretend to be scum,

now


I want you to pretend that you are town for second.
If you were playing town this game..

Why would you be "getting other people to do things?"
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
December 04 2012 14:47 GMT
#340
LOL I am town, what do you mean pretend?

I am getting peoples opinions of issues like policy lynch, changing of meta and that helps me to define reads on players,
If people dont talk, then I cant read them .
No gg, No skill.
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