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On December 13 2012 18:49 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 18:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh a missed hit like this would only put him back on the radar huh? Like, the way you and Hapa keep attesting that anyone doubting his claim is stupid, you mean like that kind of put on the radar?
Palmar are you at least following what I'm saying? It has put him back on the radar. People are looking into him again. Clarity had so much towncred before this hit, that scum would probably put some other guy to claim if they wanted to claim. Also scum would never hit WBG in the shitty position he was in. I find it very likely he would have been lynched day 2 had he not been shot. I would definately have voted for him today.
This I agree with, even while we most often convince ourselves that scum plays to try to confuse us, scum usually sticks to fairly logical things. I had a lot of influence in town, and a decent cred from almost everyone, so Bugs was in for some serious trouble today. It's simply unlikely scum shot him.
Just for meta's sake, it's generally better to shoot inactive/non-talking scum and to lynch the loud ones.
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On December 13 2012 19:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
VE....... what? You make a giant case and then 3 posts later admit you didn't read my filter, but my vig claim is scummy somehow?
I think it's likely that debears and marv were targets of scum kp and vigi, as picking debears as your only nk would be weird.
No, debears started the accusations against Adam, so he was essentially confirmed town, it's not weird for scum to shoot into confirmed townies.
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On December 13 2012 19:56 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 19:55 Palmar wrote:On December 13 2012 19:31 Clarity_nl wrote:
VE....... what? You make a giant case and then 3 posts later admit you didn't read my filter, but my vig claim is scummy somehow?
I think it's likely that debears and marv were targets of scum kp and vigi, as picking debears as your only nk would be weird. No, debears started the accusations against Adam, so he was essentially confirmed town, it's not weird for scum to shoot into confirmed townies. I understand that, but leaving both you and marv alive if you're both town (which so far I think you are) would be.... not that smart.
Why not? Clearly I was tunneling a townie anyway
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I'm just going to work backwards. List the people I don't want to lynch and why, then try to get a lynch into the remaining players.
Players I don't think we should consider lynching
Palmar: because I'm towny as fuck
Clarity: he was active, critical and clearly reading the thread on day 1. He shot bugs, which seems like an unlikely mafia shot. I think he gets a pass for a while
Marv: second guy on the Adam wagon, even if I'd like him to actually do something more, I don't think we can afford to lynch him just yet. Not to mention Bugs also had a town read on him.
thrawn: his day 1 actions just don't make sense if he's scum. I need to look better into what he did later.
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This leaves Tunkeg, Z-Bos, Hap, Vivax, VE, Djdrof, BL, grush and Jay
This is where it gets kinda shady, there's probably at least 2, if not 3 mafia in this group.
Bugs was pretty adamant that Jay is town. As I explained in my day 1 reads, while I thought at the time he was more scummy than Tunk, I still didn't think Jay was actually scum, even if clarity's case had some points in it.
Bugs called Jay "the easiest mislynch in history of TL Mafia". I think I'm willing to take Jay from the pool of potential candidates.
That leaves 8.
I'm not quite sure whom to eliminate next from the race. I'm thinking maybe one of Hapa, grush or Z-bos. But I cannot know which one, or if I even want to take one of them out.
Please, comment on this approach and help me figure things out.
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Yeah, Hapa does indeed look like town, but I also think Hapa is very intelligent and capable of looking like town even when he isn't. But maybe it's best to take things at face value this early in the game. Technically we're still ahead with that day 1 scum lynch.
Grush did join the wagon correctly on adam, and call bugs's alignment correctly. Not sure what that makes him.
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Those are my thoughts exactly.
What do you make of Djdrof, I haven't read his latest contributions but before last the daypost I was ready to lynch him with almost the same force I wanted to lynch Bugs.
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Btw, just to paste this here, this is the list of people Djo addressed using his @ someone syntax, in the order which he did it. No idea if this is relevant at all.
thrawn
debears
jay
debears
jay
thrawn
Bugs
Bugs
Bugs
debears
Bugs
Munk-E
marv
Vivax
Z-Boson
Tunkeg
thrawn
thrawn
Hapa (Munk-E)
Palmar
marv
Z-Bos
Jay
Jay
thrawn
Palmar
Hapa
Clarity
thrawn
VE
Palmar
Jay
Hapa
Hapa
Hapa
VE
VE
VE
BL
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That's a loaded threat towards Z-Bo. I don't like it.
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Remember, you're calling him out for not finding mafia today, when yesterday you tried to stop me lynching mafia.
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I also find it intriguing you never once addressed Adam, yet you have 93 instances of his name in your filter (including inside quotes). You directly interacted with both Tunkeg and Jay. You also attempted to counter-wagon Adam's lynch using both of them as targets.
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On December 13 2012 20:53 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 20:52 Palmar wrote:
I also find it intriguing you never once addressed Adam, yet you have 93 instances of his name in your filter (including inside quotes). You directly interacted with both Tunkeg and Jay. You also attempted to counter-wagon Adam's lynch using both of them as targets. WHY DO YOU SAY THIS RIGHT AFTER CALLING ME TOWN, BAFFLES MY MIND. You find it intiguing?!?! Can we just lynch this fucker.
I'm talking to Djo
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On December 13 2012 20:52 Vivax wrote:
Before I go I have a question: What did Palmar say regarding Adam in his vid?
Can't remember exactly, just didn't like his first post, didn't like how he discredited debears, didn't like how he promised to "keep his eyes on someone".
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On December 13 2012 20:59 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2012 20:52 Palmar wrote:
I also find it intriguing you never once addressed Adam, yet you have 93 instances of his name in your filter (including inside quotes). You directly interacted with both Tunkeg and Jay. You also attempted to counter-wagon Adam's lynch using both of them as targets. I was persuaded that jay and Tunkeg were mafia yesterday and far less sure about Adam. The lack of interactions with Adam could be explained because I was a bit wary of the debears/Adam interactions and didn't want to step in. After, I went sleeping and Adam went lurking. I didn't feel the need to interact with him yesterday, that would be my best explanation.
List of Djodref not stepping in debears/Adam interactions:
On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
On December 10 2012 15:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 14:52 debears wrote:On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.
I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out.
@ jay
It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ?
As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big.
##Vote jay
I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like So, I guess you are satisfied with your vote on Adam right now. According to me, Adam has been pretty clear on his stance on thrawn and I disagree with you about him: I don't see anything to blame him for right now. I'll let you do what you feel like but I'll voice my concerns if you seem mistaken. For example, right now, I feel like you should better vote for jay instead of Adam.
On December 10 2012 19:59 Djodref wrote:
@ debears
Could you explain me how Adam implied heavily that thrawn was scum ?
Could you show me a post where you think his reaction was forced ?
I don't think that posting only post from a previous post-game to show an apparent contradiction is really using meta. Adam just pointed out a contradiction.
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So why are you lying?
Did you simply forget that you not only stepped in, you figuratively waded in yelling at debears repeatedly for his read on Adam?
Or is there something more malicious to it?
I sincerely wonder, because I'm not 100% sure you're scum, but it makes no sense for you to lie about what you did, from neither alignment, but it doesn't make you look good.
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You commented even more on the Adam lynch, but these were directly interfering with the adam/dabears storyline.
meh.
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Isn't that exactly what I'm doing??
I'm just in no rush to wagon it up, we still got plenty of time.
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because you don't actually do anything
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Bitch please I'm like the readingest motherfucker in here.
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I can get behind lynching VE, not only do I think he's scum, I also very much enjoy killing him.
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