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debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 05:52 GMT
#220
On December 10 2012 14:46 Djodref wrote:
@ debears

So, between Adam and Jay, which one of them should deserve your vote right now ?
Because it looks like to me that the main reason for you to vote Adam is that he asked for your vote and voted against you.

I think Clarity made good points against Jay and I'm also leaning town on thrawn right now. I think I know the reason why he doesn't want to explain himself right now and I don't think that my pressure vote is going to work out.

@ jay

It looks like you are leaning scum on thrawn. Would you care to convince us that he is indeed scum and that we should vote him ?
As you can see, the risk to start an early bandwagon on him is not so big.

##Vote jay




I like Clarity's points on jay, and clarity seems to satisfactorily have jay covered. I'm gonna work on Adam/whoever I feel like
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 05:54 GMT
#222
On December 10 2012 14:51 Adam4167 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 10 2012 13:59 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


It was one paragraph with 4 sentences on you. By no means a "case". Also, my "case"was a response to a question djo asked

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On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced



You on the other hand have these on thrawn

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On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:42 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


That's not even the issue. How am I putting anyone in a compromising decision about whether or not to believe the claim when millers aren't even self aware? I don't understand what accusation you're trying to make, it makes no sense in the context of what the OP has to say about millers.


Why are you so defensive? As previously stated, I am not accusing you, I am trying to figure out what your motive is for whatever stunt you're pulling. Your response to that is 'go read the post that says nothing'. Obviously you wanted to be the talking point today, so here we are, get talking.


You even use meta and say it's different from his town play.

Yeah, you're full of it



If that wasn't your case, then what is?

I've already explained my reason for using that quote against thrawn, to get his reaction. I did similar in WLIIA mafia on BroodKingEXE. go read it.


My case is now your reaction to thrawn + you saying "oh here let me make up some reason to vote someone"
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 05:54 GMT
#223
oh thrawn you are my little gentleman
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 16:17 GMT
#256
Maybe he wants to put a clear target on your guys' backs Marv
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 16:22 GMT
#258
@Djo/Marv

Here's the passage by Adam I am talking about with the implication of thrawn being scum

On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


Notice

1) Your town play is way different
2) Your town play says you wouldn't claim
3) I don't think your scummy despite the "stark contrast"
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 16:25 GMT
#261
@Bluelightz

Did you realize that the post you quoted from me was a response to clarity about thoughts on his case?
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 16:45 GMT
#269
Munk-E lurked hard in his newbie game djo.

@Munk-E

Please come sit down at the mafia campfire. We have smores, ghost stories, and kum baya

We would like an insight into your mind
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 16:54 GMT
#272
@Munk-E

I have found that scum usually stick in the lurking/semi-lurking crowd, seeing at it is hard to maintain an active, scumhunting appearance as scum.

How helpful is lurking for town? Not at all

Granted, we still have a few hours til halfway thru d1. But, missing (3/4?) people in a 16 player game is a huge chunk of the game.

Also, didn't WBG say he wasn't going after the other lurkers?????????

On December 11 2012 01:44 Munk-E wrote:
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On December 11 2012 01:10 Djodref wrote:
@ Munk-E

Could you confirm me that it's only your second game on these forums ?
You get yourself lynched D1 or D2 for being inactive in a newbie lately, am I right ?

Weird scum or weird town for WBG ?
By the way, the way he phrased it didn't exactly mean he was 80% sure he was mafia. It was a preliminary thing, so I understood it as valuable only for this early game.



This is actually my 4th or fifth game. I can't find the others in my post history, because i guess TL doesn't keep a post history that's that old.

Yes, day 1 lynch last time, I'm gonna try to be more active so people don't waste their lynch again for no reason other than i didn't say enough.

as for WBG, the more i think about it, the more I think he's more likely to be town. If he was scum, this play would either be to bus palmer if he's scum, which would be stupid and unnecessary, or to try to start a bandwagon on him if he's town, which would most likely be futile. He could be trying to appear to be an aggressive scumhunter, attacking harmless enemies though, so he seems town, but then again, aggressive scumhunting seems town.

I see his logic now, but it is flawed. I highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers.


On December 10 2012 23:30 Djodref wrote:
@ WBG

We have now 4 people that have not contributed at all since the beginning of this game (Munk-E, Z-Boson, Vivax and Tunkeg). Palmar has made clear when he would be able to start to participate which is at least better than these 4 others.
I don't know all the players in this game, and I don't why/if the host would have chosen Palmar to be in the scumteam for balance reason.
So I am now under the impression that you are using Palmar as an excuse to not comment on the other players in this game.

What about Bluelightz ? Are you familiar with him ?
Any comment you would do on his entrance in the thread ?



On December 10 2012 23:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Why would I comment on people I don't think are scum?

I don't understand this line of questioning.


debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 17:30 GMT
#277
o.O marv i didnt see the response right after my post
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 17:42 GMT
#281
On December 11 2012 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 01:22 debears wrote:
@Djo/Marv

Here's the passage by Adam I am talking about with the implication of thrawn being scum

On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


Notice

1) Your town play is way different
2) Your town play says you wouldn't claim
3) I don't think your scummy despite the "stark contrast"


He said he wasn't calling him scum right that instant, he was questioning him to try to find out what was going on. That doesn't mean he didn't find the play scummy. Presumably the reason he's questioning him is BECAUSE his play was different from his town play. No?


But marv that seems to contrast his statement saying "if I wanted to call you scum". It's possible that it's just me interpreting what he means wrongly. But saying "i'm not calling you scum" is the same thing as "i'm not calling you scummy" imo.

It's not that he questioned thrawn. It's how he did it. Saying "your town meta is different' and "town you wouldn't say this" implies that he finds thrawn scummy. Then, he says he's not calling thrawn scum.

Also, marv, what do you think of this?

On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions.

Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category.


1) Look at my "case". 4/5 sentences is a case by me? Yeah right....
2) He takes my post out of context. Djo asked me me a question and I responded

On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days?


Ikr

Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it

Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video?


Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ?
What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ?


To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice son

And it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware.

So from

town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles

scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1.

Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom


I'm the first to vote in the voting thread
So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay...
I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not.

At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ?



On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


Then, he votes me after taking my post out of context, saying I should have voted him with my "case"

On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

Show nested quote +
On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


Yeah.....I'm sorry marv that I don't follow up my extensive, 4 sentence cases with no quotes that are a response to a question with a vote

This reaction is something that I don't see a townie mindset
1) Questioning someone and mentioning twice that they're playing way different from their town play. Then, saying that you don't think they are scum (ie scummy)
2) Taking someone else's posts out of context when he mentions you
3) Voting for said person when he didn't make a "case" against you because he didn't follow up his "case" with a vote
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 17:43 GMT
#282
On December 11 2012 02:33 marvellosity wrote:
well the response was pretty unlikely to come before your post dear


Ah marv it's a good thing you pointed that out. I kept looking in the wrong place
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 18:00 GMT
#288
On December 11 2012 02:51 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2012 02:42 debears wrote:
On December 11 2012 01:24 marvellosity wrote:
On December 11 2012 01:22 debears wrote:
@Djo/Marv

Here's the passage by Adam I am talking about with the implication of thrawn being scum

On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.


Notice

1) Your town play is way different
2) Your town play says you wouldn't claim
3) I don't think your scummy despite the "stark contrast"


He said he wasn't calling him scum right that instant, he was questioning him to try to find out what was going on. That doesn't mean he didn't find the play scummy. Presumably the reason he's questioning him is BECAUSE his play was different from his town play. No?


But marv that seems to contrast his statement saying "if I wanted to call you scum". It's possible that it's just me interpreting what he means wrongly. But saying "i'm not calling you scum" is the same thing as "i'm not calling you scummy" imo.

It's not that he questioned thrawn. It's how he did it. Saying "your town meta is different' and "town you wouldn't say this" implies that he finds thrawn scummy. Then, he says he's not calling thrawn scum.

Also, marv, what do you think of this?

On December 10 2012 11:55 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


That's OK, you don't need to like me. Your 'case' isn't much of one, I said I don't know if hes scum or not, so why would I vote him? I feel I've been very transparent about why i'm doing what i'm doing, to try and get some semblance of a read on Thrawn for his early actions.

Right now i'm putting him in the 'I don't know what the hell hes doing' category.


1) Look at my "case". 4/5 sentences is a case by me? Yeah right....
2) He takes my post out of context. Djo asked me me a question and I responded

On December 10 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:44 debears wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:07 Djodref wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:01 debears wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Whatever happened to people going "LOL" after a video like in the olden days?


Ikr

Anyways Djo the video was a response to the question, but a fun way of doing it

Have you not seen the Matrix? Did you not watch the video?


Yes, I guess you were saying that your vote was not real with the video. What was your motivation with your first vote on thrawn ?
What is your real take on thrawn fakeclaim ?


To get the voting rally started of course. Break the ice son

And it's strange. It would make no sense from a town perspective. His PM can't tell him he's a miller, because they aren't self aware.

So from

town - he was joking and he knew millers weren't self aware. Just did it for shits and giggles

scum - he claimed miller without checking first. I just don't see a scum being that reckless, but i'm sure if he's town he'll put in a productive day 1.

Or, he could've knew someone would interpret him as a joking townie if he's scum. and the wifomwifomwfiom


I'm the first to vote in the voting thread
So you see thrawn as a joking town or a reckless scum (less likely) or scum using WIFOM. Okay...
I personally can see a motivation for a town player to fakeclaim like this (serious motivation) that would make sense but I'm waiting for him to explain it first so I can check it matches my expectation or not.

At the exception of thrawn, do you have any comment to make on other players in this early game ?



On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


Then, he votes me after taking my post out of context, saying I should have voted him with my "case"

On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:
In fact, why are you not voting me dabears?

On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote?

##Vote: dabears


Yeah.....I'm sorry marv that I don't follow up my extensive, 4 sentence cases with no quotes that are a response to a question with a vote

This reaction is something that I don't see a townie mindset
1) Questioning someone and mentioning twice that they're playing way different from their town play. Then, saying that you don't think they are scum (ie scummy)
2) Taking someone else's posts out of context when he mentions you
3) Voting for said person when he didn't make a "case" against you because he didn't follow up his "case" with a vote


The problem as I see it is that you're doing what you're accusing Adam of doing. Adam is questioning thrawn on his millershit or whatever. But he's not calling him scum or voting him, right?

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On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo

The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.

His reaction is feeling very forced


Now this might not be a "case" as you would call one, but then what is it? You don't like his questioning, you don't like his lack of vote, you don't like that he didn't call him scummy, you felt his reaction was forced. All this in itself implies that he is either scum or scummy (if you say the two are the same...) and yet at the time you weren't voting him either.


How many fucking times do I have to repeat this marv? IT WAS A FUCKING RESPONSE TO DJO'S QUESTION THAT YOU GUYS FOR SOME RETARDED REASON THINK WAS A CASE. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I VOTE HIM JUST BASED ON SUSPICIONS.

Marv I think you are misunderstanding my main argument. My main problem wasn't that he didn't vote thrawn. Was it weird? Yeah. Is it that big of a deal? No.

My main problem was the fact that he says that town thrawn wouldn't do the miller claim and that town thrawn acts differently than how thrawn has acted this game. Yet, he still doesn't find him scummy.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#290
On December 11 2012 03:03 marvellosity wrote:
so you're saying that if someone doesn't do something you expect from their townselves, it is necessarily scummy?


If it's way different from their town selves, then it's hell of a lot more likely they are scum/third party, yes.

Note P in ACME
Thrawn in Mario Mini
You in GSL III*

I don't have too many more off the top of my head lol
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 18:05 GMT
#291
EBWOP

DP in acme. How in the hell did a smiley get in there :/
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 18:19 GMT
#296
On December 11 2012 03:12 marvellosity wrote:
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On December 11 2012 03:05 debears wrote:
On December 11 2012 03:03 marvellosity wrote:
so you're saying that if someone doesn't do something you expect from their townselves, it is necessarily scummy?


If it's way different from their town selves, then it's hell of a lot more likely they are scum/third party, yes.

Note DP in ACME
Thrawn in Mario Mini
You in GSL III*

I don't have too many more off the top of my head lol


Disregarding DP and his funny JK claim, these aren't really applicable. These are manners of playing - lurky or not-invested or whatever you want to call it. Going "lol i'm miller" is a pretty different thing. It's wacky and it's dumb and different in such a stupid/weird way that I don't get why you'd automatically think the departure from townattitude = scum. I don't like how you can't see the difference.


Here's the thing: I don't see thrawn's stuff as necessarily scummy. I think he was joking. The joking seems to have more townie motivations than scum motivations.

However, Adam didn't take thrawn's comments as a joke. In fact, we still don't know what Adam thought thrawn was doing. He just took the comment super serious and decided to focus only on that before focusing on me. He kept saying "explain yourself" to thrawn.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 20:54 GMT
#324
HI marv!!!!!!! *waves*

@Z-Bo

Did you actually read what I said about Adam? Or did you just skim? My argument was not about "him not going balls deep"

It was about him implying thrawn was scum and then saying thrawn wasn't scum

Take another gander son
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 20:55 GMT
#326
On December 11 2012 05:53 grush57 wrote:
I remember in LVI I was on scum with Adam, and it reminds me of how he is semi-active but not really doing anything.


Grush you gave away a part of my possible addition to my case on Adam.....damnit
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 10 2012 21:29 GMT
#339
On December 11 2012 06:07 Z-BosoN wrote:
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On December 11 2012 05:54 debears wrote:
HI marv!!!!!!! *waves*

@Z-Bo

Did you actually read what I said about Adam? Or did you just skim? My argument was not about "him not going balls deep"

It was about him implying thrawn was scum and then saying thrawn wasn't scum

Take another gander son


Dude, wait to take the arrogant stance once you yourself have properly read what people have said.

You said Adam implied thrawn was scum. Presumably when he said thrawn was "different" from his town meta.
I said this isn't the case, because saying someone is playing different from their town meta doesn't necessarily mean they think they are scum. I used your meta as an example to this.

Then you said he said thrawn wasn't scum. This is not true, he never said thrawn wasn't scum.

Are you deliberately twisting words here?


He did say it. Sure, I paraphrased it. Has the same meaning to me

On December 10 2012 10:28 Adam4167 wrote:
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On December 10 2012 10:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 10 2012 10:19 Adam4167 wrote:
On December 10 2012 09:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
any answer I could possibly give would just betray the actual purpose behind that post, making whatever I hoped to accomplish with that post no longer possible


I think you better try to explain what you were hoping to accomplish here.

On November 01 2012 08:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
If a miller claims D1 I don't even know what my thought process would be for deciding if I believe them or not, so I'm hesitatingly saying that I disagree with the idea


I find this post sits in a stark contrast to your current play, and this is from one of your recent town games (ACME).


What's the stark contrast? I don't see how these things are even related. Are you trying to suggest I'm scum? because you went about it pretty subtly.



Town you from ACME says that you disagree with the idea of millers claiming, and that you don't even know what your thought process would be for deciding if its real or not. Why are you trying to put everyone else in a similar position of confusion?

If I wanted to call you scum, I would have. What I want to know is why you are doing what you are doing.

debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 00:18 GMT
#394
Palmar I love you right now <3
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
December 11 2012 00:26 GMT
#398
On December 11 2012 09:21 Palmar wrote:
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On December 11 2012 09:18 debears wrote:
Palmar I love you right now <3


you better not be scum.


You as well. Otherwise that means I suck at this game....
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