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Disclaimer: Important post
Reads Update
I'm potentially today's mislynch so I'm very attentive to people behavior today regarding my lynch.
I've pushed jay a lot to get him post a case against me. It turns out that he didn't care about his image when I'm going to flip.
I think that he is a towntell because he seems to genuinely believe that I'm scum. I think that a scum jay would know my alignment and be a little more concerned by his image while lynching me.
Hapa, on the opposite, is strangely not present in this game (when he totally could have been present, see his activity in the Witchcraft game) while I'm getting mislynched. I think that it's a pretty strong scumtell because you shouldn't let your townreads die when you are supposed to be concerned with town fate.
Grush and BL are getting on my nerves, but there is nothing I can do for these ones.
VE being totally absent is also a scumtell. In our Looney Game, he barely posted, he got modkilled in the Chrono Trigger Game and I don't like the fact that he is not here to defend himself at all.
So, here is my reads update
- jaybrundage
- thrawn2112
- grush57
- Hapahauli
- Bluelightz
- marvellosity
- Vivax
- Djodref
- VisceraEyes
- Z-BosoN
Does anyone has a probem with this list ?
I'm making them so we can discuss about it and figure this game out, ffs !
I don't appreciate the fact to be mislynched in such an inactive town...
##Unvote
##Vote VE
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Hapa
My absent buddy
Here are the main points I'm going to bring in this Hapa case.- Munk-E
- Active Lurking
- My Buddy, except for today
- A few weird arguments
- Not on the front line
Part I --- Munk-E
Here is the link to Munk-E filter (Munk-E). I recommend you to have a read of his posts to make your own opinion.
On December 11 2012 01:44 Munk-E wrote:
*snip*
as for WBG, the more i think about it, the more I think he's more likely to be town. If he was scum, this play would either be to bus palmer if he's scum, which would be stupid and unnecessary, or to try to start a bandwagon on him if he's town, which would most likely be futile. He could be trying to appear to be an aggressive scumhunter, attacking harmless enemies though, so he seems town, but then again, aggressive scumhunting seems town.
I see his logic now, but it is flawed. I highly doubt that all the scum were lurkers.
So he is backtracking on WBG, calling his move on Palmar "aggressive scumhunting". This is bullshit. WBG's move was a poke to Palmar.
Please also note his unwarranted comment on the lurkers. Another way of saying, "I'm a lurker, but I'm totally not mafia" when there was no reason to say something like this, nor anything from his filter showing that he had found scum in the active players.
On December 12 2012 09:45 Munk-E wrote:
Woah. Remember that we need 9 votes to lynch someone. With only a half hour left, it's probably too late to start a counter wagon. Even if jay seems more likely than adam, Adam is still worth your vote more. With 9 votes exactly on him, I'm worried that a last second band wagon gives any scum buddies he might have trying to bus him a legitimate reason to turn today into a no lynch.
##VOTE Adam4167
"Adam is still worth your vote more" -> lapsus ?
"any scum buddies he might have trying to bus him a legitimate reason to turn today into a no lynch" -> shows that he think with a mafia mentality
One more thing to note. Munk-E get some serious heat after Adam's lynch. He directly replaces out.
We could lynch Hapa based on Munk-E's filter only
Part II --- Active Lurking
Hapa is active lurking. A good example is today.
On December 17 2012 08:22 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:On December 17 2012 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:
Well marv, dunno what to say. I am pretty lazy right now. Final tomorrow, and most of my attention is going to another game. Are you not even going to attempt to explain yourself? I have. Not enough time to devote to the game at the moment. I totally am coasting along, and I will be until tomorrow afternoon. I'm totes town though.
On December 17 2012 08:26 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 08:24 marvellosity wrote:
:/ Convincing. The "I'm going to admit to being scummy because scum don't do that" defense. Excellent. I'm admitting to being busy, not scummy. I'll do my part before the lynch deadline.
He is really busy with his other game. I'm not going to comment more because I'm also part of this game, just have a look here. You can notice that thrawn has made the effort to participate here.
It's very strange to have him absent today when one of his town read (me), that he has defended multiple times, is going to get mislynched.
Another example of Hapa active lurking can be found during WBG bluff. Not a single comment from him while WBG outed himself. Not a sign of joy or anything like this. And yet he was here.
On December 13 2012 10:05 Hapahauli wrote:
oh. well shit
On December 13 2012 18:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +@ Hapahauli
Why didn't you comment on WBG's confession just before the flip ? I thought WBG claimed scum, and I really didn't want any part of the conversation until the flip. I try to avoid kicking players while they're down - it's something I've done in the past, and I regret it alot.
His explanation for it looks reasonable, but he didn't necessarily have to kick him down. Just a celebration post would have made him townie. Instead of that, we have -> active lurking.
Part III --- My Buddy, except for today
So, Hapa has me as town for quite a long time now. He has defended me for some times, so I guess that he has a pretty strong read on me. This is something I could expect from him, because he know my town meta and has helped me improved in this game. But this is a point he never brings up.
Did you ask yourself how come Hapa was the only player in this game with a town read on me ?
Does it really strike nobody that Hapa defending me totally serve a scum agenda, regardless of my alignment ?
I was a player with a town read on Munk-E, so it is a great interest for him to keep me alive in this game, if he is scum.
My biggest point for a scum Hapa is that he is not here to defend me today, convince people that somebody else has to be scum. You have to realize that his actions regarding my lynch for today makes him scum.
Even if you end up lynching me, you have to lynch him.
Anyway, here are Hapa stances on me.
On December 12 2012 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:Regarding DjoI'm not sure if anyone's brought it up, but I watched Palmar's video and was really surprised he skipped over one of his posts in his analysis: Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 16:28 Djodref wrote:
@ WBG
If I take your word for jay and assume that you are not scum yourself, I'd say that I don't have huge concerns about anyone at the beginning of this game. Why did you single out Palmar among all the people who didn't participate yet ?
What about Bluelight, Z-Bo, Munk-E, Vivax and Tunkeg ? All of them scum by elimination ? The underlined bit is a very strange thing for a townie to say. Townies are a naturally suspicious folk, and a line of reasoning that assumes someone is not scum really goes against this mentality. Of course I'm not going to judge him on one post, but if there's anyone I could call a scum-read right now, it would be Djo.
I'm starting to be his main scum read. Then realize I'm the only player with Munk-E as town. And watch the 180 
On December 12 2012 17:05 Hapahauli wrote:*snip* Djodref - This one probably needs some 'splainin. The shit that he pulled at the end of the Day 1 lynch in no sane way came from a scum player. He was really enthralled with this idea of starting a last-minute wagon on a player when it was clear that adam would be getting lynched. I can't see hypothetical scum Djo pulling stuff like this, since he would have known that Adam would flip red. The dynamics of the game suggest that Adam was bussed by scum in the later hours. Djodref's play is far too attention-whoring and suicidal to be from scum. In addition, there are posts like this... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953¤tpage=13#260...where he displays a really convoluted thought process that I attribute more to town than scum. *snip*
How strange that the links he gives is how I derived a town read on Munk-E ! Plus, I've made this kind of post as mafia before in the Looney Game for daoud. So I don't understand how he can attribute this to a town djodref.
Anyway, he then proceeds to defend me, which proves that he has a very strong town read on me.
On December 14 2012 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:@ MarvShow nested quote +Now there's Djodref. There are more things I find scummy in his filter than BL, but there's also some things I find townier too. I know you haven't finished your stuff on Djo, but this comment I think is pretty telling of his play. Players like this often are just attention whoring townies rather than scum.
And, coincidentally, here is what you can find in his filter just before today.
On December 16 2012 10:02 Hapahauli wrote:
I'd read dump, but I don't have much to add to what Palmar had said. I'm still much more hesitant on Djo however. VE will probably be my lynch target of choice if I'm alive.
The wishy-washy stance, for no reason. I haven't done anything to make him doubt my townieness. Why not opposing my lynch ? Where is he when I need him ?
Hapa different stances on me clearly shows that him defending me is a part of his mafia agenda
Part IV --- A few weird arguments
Hapa has made some posts that sounds very strange to justify his stances. If we go back to this post.
On December 13 2012 18:02 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +@ Hapahauli
Why didn't you comment on WBG's confession just before the flip ? I thought WBG claimed scum, and I really didn't want any part of the conversation until the flip. I try to avoid kicking players while they're down - it's something I've done in the past, and I regret it alot.
Why would he feel the need to kick WBG down ? Weird justification for not making a comment.
On December 14 2012 11:30 Hapahauli wrote:@ MarvShow nested quote +Now there's Djodref. There are more things I find scummy in his filter than BL, but there's also some things I find townier too. I know you haven't finished your stuff on Djo, but this comment I think is pretty telling of his play. Players like this often are just attention whoring townies rather than scum.
Here is the comment he made to justify his town read on me for marv.
I don't see town Hapa to make this kind of comments. This is some bullshit he had to make up to justify himself.
Part V --- Not on the front line
Hapa doesn't fight to push his lynches. He is less involved in this game than on our other game.
All in all, he doesn't really fit his town meta.
But right now I'm tired and I would appreciate someone to do this part for me.
After writing this case, I'm more confident in a scum Hapa than a scum VE.
Anyone ready to lynch him today ?
##Unvote
##Vote Hapa
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On December 17 2012 20:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 17:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
marv, how much did you want to lynch hapa? were you considering it for this lynch? yes, I consider anyone for today's lynch, even Vivax (I jest). Limiting ourselves is silly. I do however need to reach some sort of conclusion in the next 6 hours or so, I have a birthday thing tonight so I don't know when I'll be back. I detest how Hapa is abdicating playing the game until far too close to deadline (I might actually have to disappear before he bothers showing his face). Apart from anything else that's just fucking shit. Not impressed mate, whichever alignment you are. Djodref is just throwing things out left and right and seeing what sticks. Bluelightz' filter being bad doesn't make him scum, for example.
@ Marv
I'm just trying to prepare the town for what's going to happen when I flip town.
I need your comment on my latest case against Hapa.
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On December 17 2012 21:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 21:02 Djodref wrote:On December 17 2012 20:39 marvellosity wrote:On December 17 2012 17:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
marv, how much did you want to lynch hapa? were you considering it for this lynch? yes, I consider anyone for today's lynch, even Vivax (I jest). Limiting ourselves is silly. I do however need to reach some sort of conclusion in the next 6 hours or so, I have a birthday thing tonight so I don't know when I'll be back. I detest how Hapa is abdicating playing the game until far too close to deadline (I might actually have to disappear before he bothers showing his face). Apart from anything else that's just fucking shit. Not impressed mate, whichever alignment you are. Djodref is just throwing things out left and right and seeing what sticks. Bluelightz' filter being bad doesn't make him scum, for example. @ MarvI'm just trying to prepare the town for what's going to happen when I flip town. I need your comment on my latest case against Hapa. Honestly the more you try the less I want to lynch you. I can't really disagree with anything that you or thrawn have said about hapa. "why would i purposefully, blatantly, be so shit" is not a defence either. I'll cross fingers you're not doing some bus here, and join you on Hapa. ##Vote: Hapahauli
I'm town and I'm just fucking trying right now...
I think it's my best case so far. Here I forgot to include a part where he blatantly buddies me.
On December 13 2012 18:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Also, that's quite a nice post/angle of analysis there Djo. Good to see you vindicate my town read on you =)
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I think that we can get Z-Bo and thrawn votes on this one. That means we have to get two more votes from others players.
@ BL
Would you vote Hapa today ?
@ Vivax
What do you think of my case against Hapa ?
Would you like to lynch him today ?
@ VE
What about a bus ?
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On December 17 2012 21:17 marvellosity wrote:
Right. Compared to Hapa who has been in NO danger of being lynched and has just coasted along doing jack shit.
Who do you compare Hapa to ?
I don't understand what you mean...
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On December 17 2012 21:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh I guess I have one hour to defend myself before I start my final.
Djo, what about your case isn't explained by the fact that I'm busy?
Apparently everyone in this game thought I was playing very pro-town and townie up until a period of about ~48 hours ago, at which point I had to start studying for finals and Witchraft Mafia began. So what's the logical conclusion here? That...
a) I (as hypothetical mafia) arbitrarily decided to stop playing despite doing very well for myself
b) I (as town) became busy
You were not busy, you were derping in the Witchcraft Mafia thread. I think that the deal is done over there, you could have spared the time to come playing here.
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@ Hapa
Why did you not push VE lynch harder yesterday ?
You could have the perfect argument. Mafia players like to go after a lynch that is not going to happen.
They look concerned, but this is just a perfect disruptive behavior. And this is an argument you should have made and pushed to lynch VE yesterday.
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Anyway, I think that both VE and you are mafia. I wouldn't mind you to write an overkill case against VE.
My problem is not only your inactivity today, but the fact that in the few posts that you have made, you never defended me today. And, given what's happening in the other game thread, don't tell me that you cannot concentrate on 2 games.
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On December 16 2012 21:37 Vivax wrote:
Djo, can you post a few cases? Cases where you don't argue that someone has an alignment cause you are town?
Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease.
Need to see some scumhunting from you.
Seriously, I've spent a lot of time on my cases. I'm fucking doing my job here.
Please do yours.
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Bleh, sorry for this...
But you have made some posts here today. What was preventing you from stating that I was a mislynch ?
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@ Hapa
What was preventing you from stating that I was a mislynch today ?
You should have said it if you were really caring of this game.
How come you had a town read on me all this time ? How come that you didn't reassess your read on me with Palmar's case on me ? Or marv being suspicious of me ?
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On December 17 2012 22:27 Vivax wrote:
GL at your finals then.
Now, let's lynch VE, djo.
And that post was fairly old, you posted like 3 cases since then. You want a pat on your back or something? I don't wanna lynch you over VE anyway.
Hapa's committed to delivering, so let's give him that chance since his business seems genuine.
I wouldn't mind to lynch VE but, right now, I'm really more confident that Hapa is scum. Just take a look at Munk-E filter.
Tell me what you think of Munk-E. His voting post on Adam reeks of mafia mentality.
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On December 17 2012 22:32 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 22:26 Djodref wrote:
@ Hapa
What was preventing you from stating that I was a mislynch today ?
You should have said it if you were really caring of this game.
How come you had a town read on me all this time ? How come that you didn't reassess your read on me with Palmar's case on me ? Or marv being suspicious of me ? I explained the first bit already in my previous post. As far as the town read, I think you've been a blitheringly obvious town. I've stated many times why I've thought so in my filter. I straight-up disagree with Palmar. I understand how your actions could be interpreted as anti-town (vote-waffling late in D1) but I disagree.
Blew, Marv just went back to lynch VE.
Yeah, but I also lied by omission to Palmar. I have also pushed a lynch on Tunkeg quite hard, and he turned out to be town.
I mean, there was way enough stuff to make you doubt. Like, I was supposedly your main scum read at your first read of the thread. How could you give up on this view for all the game ?
You know my alignment, that is all. It fits too well in a scum agenda, just defending the townie which has a town read on you. I've done it before, you are doing it now.
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I'm sorry to say this to you, but you replaced the guy that made this post. I cannot let this go. People made this mistake in the Mario Mini. Not lynching me for what thrawn has done. I understand your frustration.
On December 12 2012 09:45 Munk-E wrote:
Woah. Remember that we need 9 votes to lynch someone. With only a half hour left, it's probably too late to start a counter wagon. Even if jay seems more likely than adam, Adam is still worth your vote more. With 9 votes exactly on him, I'm worried that a last second band wagon gives any scum buddies he might have trying to bus him a legitimate reason to turn today into a no lynch.
##VOTE Adam4167
Objectively, wouldn't you lynch Munk-E for this post if he wasn't yourself ?
But, yeah, you look more town that VE, but you didn't come defend me today. That is a fact...
##Unvote
##Vote VE
It looks like we can consolidate better on VE for today. He better be mafia. But yeah, I'm going to go after you hard tomorrow.
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On December 17 2012 22:42 Hapahauli wrote:
Unfortunately that's my last post for a couple of hours. Wish me luck <3
MERDE !
it's the French way <3
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On December 17 2012 23:52 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 21:17 Djodref wrote:
I think that we can get Z-Bo and thrawn votes on this one. That means we have to get two more votes from others players.
@ BL
Would you vote Hapa today ?
@ Vivax
What do you think of my case against Hapa ?
Would you like to lynch him today ?
@ VE
What about a bus ?
I'd rather kill VE right now.
Ok, I'm fine with that.
If you had to find a scum between grush and jay, who would it be ?
Did you like my case against Hapa ?
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I wouldn't be surprised if VE turns out to be the scumVig, he was so obsessed with that role.
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On December 18 2012 00:50 marvellosity wrote:
There's about 99% probability there are 4 scum in a 16 player setup.
I must resist....
Do you have any idea on which classic setup this game could be based off ?
It's the first time for me to play in a 16 players game.
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@ VE
Why did you check the guy town was going to lynch ?
Where are your crumbs ?
Why did you not defend me today ?
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