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Did you ask and did the host answer you? I don't need to know what the answer was, yet. | ||
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Sandroba's Town List for dummies (TM): WBG - marvelosity = both too emo ragers for it to be fake. I can't see the genuine asshole behavior being faked here and there is no scum motivation for it. I would seriously like to lynch marv for being an assface jerk, but unfortunately I can't convince myself he is scum. Xatalos - LOL this guy is so townie I don't understand how you baddies manage to bandwagon him day 1. 'Nuff said. DYH - I really thought this guy was scum for his retard case on xatalos before I read the last 30 pages. However that last minute claim looks really good so I'm putting him as town. Hopefully he can get confirmed by shooting into scummers tonight. Assuming scum have 1 rb (can't really imagine them having 2) either him or marv should get their actions through. Scummers : Zealos, BlazingHand are scum. I don't think I need to explain why for BH. Read Zealos oportunistic jump on xata wagon. That post has scum written all over it. People that I'm unsure but leaning scum: VE - who you might ask? Yes this dude is playing in this game. I bet you didn't know either. Kei/Ace - Meh ace is a hard one for me to figure out. I thought he was scum when I was obsing because of his "Oh this is interesting" comment, but I'm liking kei a bit more. This BH case seems very convinient though. | ||
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I've reread WBG's filter a couple times by now. Consider please that yesterday lynch was between 2 townies and scum shot marvelosity. WBG's behavior makes no sense as mafia. Even if you can twist it somehow like you guys have been trying to do, the tone and emotional content of his posts are very genuine. I've played with mafia bugs before, and while he is hard to read, he is either non confrontational or trollish, he doesn't pick fights with people for absolutely no gain like he has been doing this game. Now let's look at ShiaoPi. This dude is desperetely trying to survive. Compare his posts d1, when he wasn't in any danger, to his posts today. He is trying really hard to justify any bandwagons he can hop on to save his own ass. Also look at how this retard wagon on bugs gained traction out of the blue. Even more reason to suspect we were right about ShiaoPi. Use your heads please. | ||
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1) WBG defended DP, but didn't care DYH was lynched. I would have mislynched DYH 100% D1 if not for his vigi claim. As I've stated before I thought his case on xatalos was utter bullshit and was very convinced of this guy being scum before replacing in. It doesn't surprise me that WBG didn't care if DYH got lynched instead of DP, which he had a town read on. Now as to why he didn't push DYH instead of going for marv I don't know, but I have to admit that marv's claim was pretty sketchy and I had to think real hard before determining he was likely town. "I am DT" in the middle of D1 with slight pressure on him, followed by "I might not be sane" after people start unvoting him looks suspicious as fuck, specially when you are biased because the dude is being a dick in the thread. For mafia it would make way more sense and be way easier to simply ignore marv and try to get into one of the main alternate wagons. Since you say WBG had no qualms lynching DYH why would he not as mafia simply jump on his wagon instead of trying to get marv lynched. Surely you can imagine the backlash he would suffer once marv flipped DT. 2)Vote on marv I adressed this on the block above. 3)Bunch of random facts stating facts and saying that they are scummy does not make it so. 'nuff said 4)bunch of random facts see above 5) Meta comparison to mad men I thought he was mafia on mad men. I then learned he wasn't. Your comparison is good for proving he is likely town this game though. You see, wbg and erandor had a much closer relationship than you-him. WBG expected erandor to identify he is town and got pissed off and raged in the thread. Simillar to how he expects better of marv and raged in the thread/assumed he was scum for playing like shit D1. The fact that he didn't adress your points can be explained by how he doesn't know your play/doesn't expect much from you and sees no needs to adress a case that has no traction. I doesn't mean he is auto mafia for ignoring you, sorry. 6) claims meta is the same even if you say it isn't yes. so? | ||
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On December 05 2012 09:06 DoYouHas wrote: Follow me down the rabbit hole if you will MrZ and BH. Exempting yourselves, myself, and Keirathi from scum possibilities the remainders are:
Sandroba and debears seem townie to me, you both seem to agree, let's remove them from the list:
If we indeed have 2 pairs of town aligned masons, then it only makes sense that there are at least 4 mafia in the game. That means there should be 3 mafia in the 4 names I just presented. But if that is true, that means that at least one or both of Xatalos/Lazer is scum. And if one or both of them is scum, it drastically reduces the chances that Shiaopi is scum with them. If you don't understand why, then do some time rereading. Take that name off the list.
There is your scumteam. There are two things that could throw my thinking out the window. 1. I could be wrong about sandroba and debears. I don't think I am, but it is possible. 2. You (Mrz & BH) could be mafia in spite of everything. I would much rather confirm my thinking by lynching Lazer, but if you actively oppose me in this, it had better be because you don't agree that keir/sandro/debears are town. Otherwise I am forced to assume that you are scum. Xatalos is most likely not scum. The random Shiaopi isn't scum makes no sense. If you look carefully of how the day went the most likely scenario is that he is indeed scum, given the counter wagons and the hopping out of his wagon as soon as it became clear that there was a possibility of him not being lynched. I don't agree that debears looks townie. I would put him toghether with lazer and austin as the possible remaining scum (besisdes shiaopi). These mason claims I'm going to look into some more. 4 masons does seem like a lot, but I never before have seen scum claiming it. | ||
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We can lynch austin then shiaopi -> lazer -> debears if we haven't won by then. Can scum just concede and save us the time? ##Vote Austin | ||
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For me there is really 2 plausible possibilities: 1) Somehow we are already at mylo. I found this one unlikely. Even accounting for the multiple claims and the lack of a RB claim I think having a 5 person scum team seems very imbalanced. 2) Austin is actually Traitor. This is the most fitting explanation I found. It explains everything perfectly. It is ideal for the traitor to trade 1 for 1 with me in this spot specially with ShiaoPi being the most likely target for today. It also explains Austin behavior yesterday perfectly. @xatalos before I subbed in this game I was following this thread along with syllo and trying to determine people's alignment. I think it was the Bluelights method comment that sealed the deal for us of you being almost certainly townie. I can't imagine anyway a mafia would reference such random obscure fact to justify his actions and it pretty much proved that you were sincere and thought this was a legit strategy and in town's best interest. After that I'd reread all your comments and noticed the same streamlined flow of thought in them, with no apparent or agenda behind them. | ||
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It is not speculation it's behavior analysis ty. | ||
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On December 08 2012 03:20 Keirathi wrote: ##Unvote austinmcc ##Vote sandroba My gut right now says that despite all the reasons to believe his claim is bullshit, that austin is just trying too hard to be scum. ![[image loading]](http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/images/smilies/biggums.png) | ||
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