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Follow me down the rabbit hole if you will MrZ and BH.
Exempting yourselves, myself, and Keirathi from scum possibilities the remainders are:
Xatalos, Sandroba, debears, austinmcc, Lazermonkey, Shiaopi
Sandroba and debears seem townie to me, you both seem to agree, let's remove them from the list:
Xatalos, austinmcc, Lazermonkey, and Shiaopi.
If we indeed have 2 pairs of town aligned masons, then it only makes sense that there are at least 4 mafia in the game. That means there should be 3 mafia in the 4 names I just presented. But if that is true, that means that at least one or both of Xatalos/Lazer is scum. And if one or both of them is scum, it drastically reduces the chances that Shiaopi is scum with them. If you don't understand why, then do some time rereading. Take that name off the list.
Xatalos, austinmcc, Lazermonkey
There is your scumteam.
There are two things that could throw my thinking out the window.
1. I could be wrong about sandroba and debears. I don't think I am, but it is possible.
2. You (Mrz & BH) could be mafia in spite of everything.
I would much rather confirm my thinking by lynching Lazer, but if you actively oppose me in this, it had better be because you don't agree that keir/sandro/debears are town. Otherwise I am forced to assume that you are scum.
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DYH, I follow you down the rabbit hole.
But your conclusion is wrong. Or at least your scumteam is wrong.
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You are very correct about me DYH
But we are in a predicament. We are down 3-0 to these scum.
Looks like we'll a need a James Bond to emerge from the shadows of darkness and save us from dese scum
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On December 05 2012 09:29 austinmcc wrote:
DYH, I follow you down the rabbit hole.
But your conclusion is wrong. Or at least your scumteam is wrong.
Please, walk me through your current suspicions. Surely you have it narrowed down a fair bit yourself by now.
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On December 05 2012 09:43 debears wrote:You are very correct about me DYH But we are in a predicament. We are down 3-0 to these scum. Looks like we'll a need a James Bond to emerge from the shadows of darkness and save us from dese scum
And why do I get the feeling that you just activated some ability or claimed something?
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Nah that's me fucking around
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On December 05 2012 09:51 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:29 austinmcc wrote:
DYH, I follow you down the rabbit hole.
But your conclusion is wrong. Or at least your scumteam is wrong. Please, walk me through your current suspicions. Surely you have it narrowed down a fair bit yourself by now.
Will do, give me a moment. Full thoughts won't come until the end of the night, but I've narrowed things down somewhat.
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On December 05 2012 09:51 DoYouHas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 09:29 austinmcc wrote:
DYH, I follow you down the rabbit hole.
But your conclusion is wrong. Or at least your scumteam is wrong. Please, walk me through your current suspicions. Surely you have it narrowed down a fair bit yourself by now. Currently, we've got a couple categories of players:
Based on abilities:
Claimed almost-certainly-town-role-given-that-you-shot-scum: DYH
Masons: Keirathi, BH, MrZ
Rest of us
I don't believe all the masons are town. So I think there's a scum within that group. Keirathi's claim is interesting, because if he were scum, he'd almost certainly (barring multiple factions/SK) know that WBG was, in fact, a mason and was, in fact, town. He also couldn't NOT claim because if WBG returned and said they were masons, we might wonder why Keirathi waited so long.
I'm leaning town on him because of his play so far, but leaning is as far as I can go.
BH/MrZ then contain a scum or two imo. BH snap counter-claimed keirathi. That's a bad call for scum, because if he knows they're town, we're going to lynch a town mason, and BH is gonna get got. Therefore, BH almost CERTAINLY town. That leaves MrZ, who I'm going to find scum by process of elimination. 4 town masons in a 15-man game with a DT and a claimed vigi? No thanks. Mason is so crazy powerful that scum would have to be STACKED to deal with that, or we'd have multiple factions, or something. We only saw 2 kills, you claimed one-shot. That means either we see multiple kills tonight and have issues with you, or we see one and we know scum isn't crazy stacked --> we don't have 4 town masons.
Beyond that, the group is Xatalos, Debears, ShiaoPi, LazerMonkey, you, Sandroba.
I mostly trust your claim for now I guess. There's no reason to be pushing you tomorrow, if you made a play with that VE shot and are anything other than town, oh well. For now, best to consider you almost-confirmed, take what we can get, and we'll sort it out later. Not gonna suggest a lynch one of our most likely townies tomorrow when there are other candidates.
So now Xatalos, debears, ShiaoPi, LazerMonkey, Sandroba
I found Sandroba's sideways defense of WBG odd. But WBG was town. And again, scum with the opportunity to mislynch WBG probably don't let that go. So while he's been kind of absent, I'm reading his defense as real, but wish he'd returned. I'd like to hear more from him, but leaning town.
Xatalos, debears, ShiaoPi, LazerMonkey
Now is when we start to get into stuff I'd rather talk about later, and not start making people targets right now. Everything above is pretty clear from what I've said in thread, and although WBG's flip changes things slightly (Sandroba looks more town than if he gave an odd defense of a scumbuddy).
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Related to the above. Someone(s) is going to get shot tonight. Probably. Keirathi, IF you are town, and DYH, IF you are town, you guys are likely candidates. It doesn't appear we have a medic, because I don't see a medic not protecting marv last night, and we've had 6 burjillion blues claim.
So I could see one of you getting got. Sure, other options, but in a closed setup you guys being semi-confirmed by roles is a pain for scum. I put BH on my personal list in this category too, because of his snap counterclaim on the masons.
I really, really hope you guys get most of your thoughts into thread tonight.
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So you feel that the remaining scum are in Xatalos, debears, ShiaoPi, Lazermonkey, and MrZ, to be reduced even further closer to the deadline?
I must say, your points on MrZ are reasonable. Perhaps I should not have excluded him so readily. (Especially since scum don't seem to have a RBer.)
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@Austin:
Don't be stupid. If you believe that BH is a mason, then you have to believe that he wasn't lying about his role PM that said he and MrZ were confirmed town to each other.
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I think Austin is getting a little....
PARANOID
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On December 05 2012 10:53 Keirathi wrote:
@Austin:
Don't be stupid. If you believe that BH is a mason, then you have to believe that he wasn't lying about his role PM that said he and MrZ were confirmed town to each other. This is true...but would leave you as mafia. Which would leave you as mafia saying you were mafia.
Because the other alternative is FOUR MASONS IN A 15 PLAYER GAME
Yes, his role PM said MrZ was town. The host, however, tells me the setup is closed, not to trust anyone, and that everyone (including BH) is lying scumOn November 22 2012 06:53 JingleHell wrote:
Setup Information
This game is a completely closed setup. Trust noone. They're all lying scum. I don't...I don't think we're in a bastard-modded game though, and so it seems farfetched that the PM itself is a lie.
BH, that is absolutely positively the PM that you received?
It's odd to me that BH, almost certainly town, received a PM that says MrZ, his mason buddy, was town. But WBG, who was town, had a mason PM that does NOT say his mason buddy is town. Keirathi, do you have logs between you and WBG? I guess you're right, I shouldn't be stupid...and should think that you're more likely than BH or MrZ to be scum? Seriously...FOUR TOWN MASONS? That's silly.
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On December 05 2012 11:01 MrZentor wrote:
I think Austin is getting a little....
PARANOID This is a friggin' understatement
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On December 05 2012 11:07 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 10:53 Keirathi wrote:
@Austin:
Don't be stupid. If you believe that BH is a mason, then you have to believe that he wasn't lying about his role PM that said he and MrZ were confirmed town to each other. This is true...but would leave you as mafia. Which would leave you as mafia saying you were mafia. Because the other alternative is FOUR MASONS IN A 15 PLAYER GAME Yes, his role PM said MrZ was town. The host, however, tells me the setup is closed, not to trust anyone, and that everyone (including BH) is lying scum Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:53 JingleHell wrote:
Setup Information
This game is a completely closed setup. Trust noone. They're all lying scum. I don't...I don't think we're in a bastard-modded game though, and so it seems farfetched that the PM itself is a lie. BH, that is absolutely positively the PM that you received?It's odd to me that BH, almost certainly town, received a PM that says MrZ, his mason buddy, was town. But WBG, who was town, had a mason PM that does NOT say his mason buddy is town. Keirathi, do you have logs between you and WBG? I guess you're right, I shouldn't be stupid...and should think that you're more likely than BH or MrZ to be scum? Seriously...FOUR TOWN MASONS? That's silly.
How the fuck to even respond to such pants-on-head retarded theories?
Why did I, as scum masoned with WBG, claim the masonry to TRY TO SAVE HIM? Why did I spend so much time during the day defending him if I knew I was scum and that he was town? I could have just AFK'd the day out and let him die, never claimed the Mason, and people would have just been asking who the hell his partner was for the rest of the game.
I seriously have no fucking clue what you're thinking here. "Keir has played like he's town. WBG flipped town mason. But Keir might be scum, guys!"
As to the bolded part: what if....*GASP*...BH is lying about the PM?
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On December 05 2012 11:17 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 11:07 austinmcc wrote:On December 05 2012 10:53 Keirathi wrote:
@Austin:
Don't be stupid. If you believe that BH is a mason, then you have to believe that he wasn't lying about his role PM that said he and MrZ were confirmed town to each other. This is true...but would leave you as mafia. Which would leave you as mafia saying you were mafia. Because the other alternative is FOUR MASONS IN A 15 PLAYER GAME Yes, his role PM said MrZ was town. The host, however, tells me the setup is closed, not to trust anyone, and that everyone (including BH) is lying scum On November 22 2012 06:53 JingleHell wrote:
Setup Information
This game is a completely closed setup. Trust noone. They're all lying scum. I don't...I don't think we're in a bastard-modded game though, and so it seems farfetched that the PM itself is a lie. BH, that is absolutely positively the PM that you received?It's odd to me that BH, almost certainly town, received a PM that says MrZ, his mason buddy, was town. But WBG, who was town, had a mason PM that does NOT say his mason buddy is town. Keirathi, do you have logs between you and WBG? I guess you're right, I shouldn't be stupid...and should think that you're more likely than BH or MrZ to be scum? Seriously...FOUR TOWN MASONS? That's silly. How the fuck to even respond to such pants-on-head retarded theories? Why did I, as scum masoned with WBG, claim the masonry to TRY TO SAVE HIM? Why did I spend so much time during the day defending him if I knew I was scum and that he was town? I could have just AFK'd the day out and let him die, never claimed the Mason, and people would have just been asking who the hell his partner was for the rest of the game. I seriously have no fucking clue what you're thinking here. "Keir has played like he's town. WBG flipped town mason. But Keir might be scum, guys!" As to the bolded part: what if....*GASP*...BH is lying about the PM?
Hi there. WBG was a town mason. Apparently masoned with you. You have no way of knowing if he comes back to the game and goes "Don't lynch me bros, I'm a mason with Keirathi." If you does that, you have to confirm ANYWAY. You can't very well say you're not masoned with him if he actually gets lynched, that's information that was GOING to come out into the thread.
Like...you're saying "You really think I would have done this, just afk out?" But no, you wouldn't do that as either alignment, because WBG could claim and make you look REALLY suspicious, and you can't be sure he won't come back and do so. You have to claim.
The claim doesn't make you town or mafia.
Whereas BH COUNTERCLAIMED mason when you did. That tells me he's actually a mason, as he's taking an ENORMOUS risk (himself and zentor) if you guys are actually masoned, because 2 pairs is too much. He doesn't know what WBG is, what you are, but he knows he's a mason and it's fishy that you'd claim. I see his counterclaim as far more indicative of towniness than I see your claiming for WBG. You had to. He didn't, and straight up risked the lives of 2 mafia players if he's not town.
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You're missing the forest for the trees. I didn't just claim to save WBG. I fucking hard defended him ALL DAY and actively pushed his counterwagon trying to save him.
You said yourself that my play has been townie. Yet the ONLY reason you're suspicious of me is because you don't think there can be 4 masons. Instead, you think that I could potentially be scum, despite my mason partner flipping town, when the other mason pair has MOD CONFIRMED DIFFERENT ROLE PMs. Not just flavor. Completely worded differently. And one of those masons MADE A CASE AGAINST HIS OWN MASON PARTNER, and isn't playing to his town meta AT ALL.
Maybe you don't think BH/MrZ would link themselves like that as scum. Fine, we disagree, and I can yell at you in post-game if I'm right. But to actively think that I am scum is just so preposterous despite all the evidence to the contrary on some blind faith that "scum would never do that!"; I literally can't fathom it.
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I had forgotten that MrZ and BH's PMs say that the other one was town (meaning they either both have to be town, or both have to be scum). That puts me back in my original thinking. Lazer needs to be lynched.
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Quick question
Can you confirm this NOT being bastard setup Jingle?
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